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Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team"

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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: 

Post#1621 » by pepe1991 » Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:41 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:
Only irrational here is you. Because you can't even read whole damn post. We talked about nba playoffs and series against Raptors.

In game 4 he only played 16 min because he was complete no factor on offense 0, points, 2 turnvoers, 3 fouls,0 steals, 0 blocks, 6 rebounds shooting split 0-4 FG.

Game 5 , 28 min. 3 points ( 1-7 FG) , 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 2 turnovers , 1 foul.

If that's playable i would like to know what execlly is unplayable to you ? Tony Snell , playing 30 min with triple zeros?
Based on what Fournier has done the last couple years in the playoffs, should we waive him?

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If Isaac is “unplayable” then Evan owes us money.


Funniest part about "terrible playoff performance of Fournier against Bucks" and " good year by Fultz " are ,by stats almost identical

Oouch ::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

So if "my boy Fournier" owns us money, what does that say about your guy (Mod note: Feel free to disagree with other posters, but do not insinuate sexual acts - Knightro) ,celebrating new contract?

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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1622 » by SOUL » Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:07 am

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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1623 » by basketballRob » Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:50 am

I didn't know Ennis was out for the season.

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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: 

Post#1624 » by j-ragg » Wed Dec 23, 2020 4:27 am

basketballRob wrote:I didn't know Ennis was out for the season.

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Thought it was just the season opener?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: 

Post#1625 » by fendilim » Wed Dec 23, 2020 6:31 am

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basketballRob wrote:I didn't know Ennis was out for the season.

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Thought it was just the season opener?
yeah. I know for the opener only.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1626 » by RookieStar » Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:22 am

Can someone confirm if its really just the season opener and NOT the season?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1627 » by SOUL » Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:24 am

RookieStar wrote:Can someone confirm if its really just the season opener and NOT the season?


It's a hamstring injury so it's just the season opener.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: 

Post#1628 » by basketballRob » Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:54 am

fendilim wrote:
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basketballRob wrote:I didn't know Ennis was out for the season.

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Thought it was just the season opener?
yeah. I know for the opener only.
I read it wrong. Thanks.

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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1629 » by Bensational » Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:19 am

pepe1991 wrote:it's not complaining for sake of complaining and i'll you why.

Cap space isn't usless. it's easly the strongest and most direct way how to change trajectory of a team.


But we were never going to have cap space anyway unless we let them and Fournier walk for nothing. Is that what you would have preferred them to do? Who would want to sign with us? What big names are we absorbing for free? I know Atlanta have been praised for their moves but they gave Gallinari $20M per and Bogdanovic $18M per which is more than Isaac and Fultz, but both Isaac and Fultz have higher ceilings if they can get/stay healthy.

I wasn't actually having a go at you, just saying that unless you're presenting a viable alternative then complaining about something is just criticism.

I didn't say you don't understand development, I said you don't believe in it, which feels like a fair summary of your opinion? You feel players are more or less what they are when they enter the league just with/without volume minutes and shots, and experience. Correct?

I have no idea what players you'd even like to see on this team. Aaron Nesmith is the first name I've seen you throw out, haha. I feel like you've mentioned Satoransky, Derrick White and Murray previously. No idea who you'd ideally target and how - which is surprising considering how much we all post here and for how long.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1630 » by pepe1991 » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:06 am

Bensational wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:it's not complaining for sake of complaining and i'll you why.

Cap space isn't usless. it's easly the strongest and most direct way how to change trajectory of a team.


But we were never going to have cap space anyway unless we let them and Fournier walk for nothing. Is that what you would have preferred them to do? Who would want to sign with us? What big names are we absorbing for free? I know Atlanta have been praised for their moves but they gave Gallinari $20M per and Bogdanovic $18M per which is more than Isaac and Fultz, but both Isaac and Fultz have higher ceilings if they can get/stay healthy.

I wasn't actually having a go at you, just saying that unless you're presenting a viable alternative then complaining about something is just criticism.

I didn't say you don't understand development, I said you don't believe in it, which feels like a fair summary of your opinion? You feel players are more or less what they are when they enter the league just with/without volume minutes and shots, and experience. Correct?

I have no idea what players you'd even like to see on this team. Aaron Nesmith is the first name I've seen you throw out, haha. I feel like you've mentioned Satoransky, Derrick White and Murray previously. No idea who you'd ideally target and how - which is surprising considering how much we all post here and for how long.


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Pay attenion at dates. 1 year before draft.

March 5th, 2018, way before draft me going in great lenghts why to avoid Bamba/ JJJr over Luka type players.
Also me expecting Porter to still be elite talent

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And between Evan and Oladipo debate, i was favoringd Dipo

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over time , when guys were drooling over Aaron Gordon and his 20 ppg at worst Marion at best Kawhi Leonard development ( that ended up being Josh Smith- Rudy Gay crossroads, that I also predicted) i was pushing hard for Jamal Murray trade in times Nuggets were kind a wishy-washy about him and Mudiay.

I'm sure you can dig some stupid posts, there was lot of stupidity from me too. But who didn't post anything stupid here tho?
Going trough search history you spent whole 2016-17 telling everybody how Gordon is SF because him, Hennigan and Vogel said he is new Paul George.
Every other post around 2016-17 ( not just from you ) on this forum was how Gordon will be superstar and Payton is elite defener and one of best playmakers in nba.

Fast forward in 2020 Isaac' comparisons go as far as Kevin Garnett, Anthony Davis and Fultz is "jumpshot fixure" away from allstar.
Can't you see similarities and how i end up being "heel" of forum every time just because i don't bite into blind hype?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1631 » by cedric76 » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:30 am

Sooooo much crying on this board, too many losers, it s painful to read
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1632 » by Dub_Sax » Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:42 pm

cedric76 wrote:Sooooo much crying on this board, too many losers, it s painful to read
This

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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1633 » by j-ragg » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:27 pm

cedric76 wrote:Sooooo much crying on this board, too many losers, it s painful to read

You’ve been saying this every season for like a decade though.

If we just predict the Magic win the championship every year will that make us GREAT fans like you and not losers?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1634 » by VFX » Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:25 pm

j-ragg wrote:
cedric76 wrote:Sooooo much crying on this board, too many losers, it s painful to read

You’ve been saying this every season for like a decade though.

If we just predict the Magic win the championship every year will that make us GREAT fans like you and not losers?


:lol:

I feel like some posters here are suited for Reddit and Twitter. Orlando Magic will be champions this season despite taking huge steps back from last seasons mediocre results .

See? I can also do false positivity and be unrealistic too.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1635 » by Skybox » Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:43 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
j-ragg wrote:
cedric76 wrote:Sooooo much crying on this board, too many losers, it s painful to read

You’ve been saying this every season for like a decade though.

If we just predict the Magic win the championship every year will that make us GREAT fans like you and not losers?


:lol:

I feel like some posters here are suited for Reddit and Twitter. Orlando Magic will be champions this season despite taking huge steps back from last seasons mediocre results .

See? I can also do false positivity and be unrealistic too.


Certainly there's a reasonable middle ground where you actually HOPE for success or try to point out some positives. I tend towards the optimistic/positive but I don't think I post things that are unfathomable or ridiculous homer trades. I honestly can't understand why some would put in the time and effort (and research) to convince everyone their "favorite" team sucks and has no chance of success. Looking for angles that could work instead of "we suck", "our FO doesn't want to win", "Buddy Ball", etc sounds like dumbass lazy-minded "They hate our freedom" political BS...it's entertainment and it's optional. I don't particularly mean you Magic - your posts are well-thought out, if critical but there are some here that just drop in with "I knew it, they blew it, remember when we beat DAL?, we didn't TRY to get Doncic or Giannis (like we could have), DJ was amazing, blow it up...". To each his own, but why would you bother? I can argue with other team's fans for that s**t.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1636 » by Skybox » Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:54 pm

We can't have Vuc, Evan, AG, Isaac, Fultz, Ross, Aminu - all making 12-25m (and some not contributing). My hope is now that Isaac is signed, aggressively shop Evan and AG for SG prospects that might be buried on someone's bench or otherwise underutilized (NAW, Hart, Trent, Barton...) to spread the floor and let the chips fall this season. If Fultz and Cole erupt and bring us up a few seeds-Awesome. If not, hit the lottery anyway...I can't see how we keep Evan by re-signing, so let's try to find a diamond elsewhere, or at least some floor-spreaders because we're now invested heavily in Isaac,Vuc, and Fultz.

who are the contenders that could use our vets NOW?
Would BOS consider something for Nesmith +
Wouldn't AG be exactly what BRK needs?
Couldn't Evan drop right into Klay's spot and shoot 40% for a season?
(not sure of the return on each but I'm trying to see possibilities based on timelines/needs)
Or, consolidate...If Trent is ready, could CJ be had for AG and Fournier? wouldn't that make them a more complete team?
I wouldn't be scared to take a big contract if we were moving two or more (Aminu...) to get exactly what we're missing.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1637 » by VFX » Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:36 pm

Skybox wrote:We can't have Vuc, Evan, AG, Isaac, Fultz, Ross, Aminu - all making 12-25m (and some not contributing). My hope is now that Isaac is signed, aggressively shop Evan and AG for SG prospects that might be buried on someone's bench or otherwise underutilized (NAW, Hart, Trent, Barton...) to spread the floor and let the chips fall this season. If Fultz and Cole erupt and bring us up a few seeds-Awesome. If not, hit the lottery anyway...I can't see how we keep Evan by re-signing, so let's try to find a diamond elsewhere, or at least some floor-spreaders because we're now invested heavily in Isaac,Vuc, and Fultz.

who are the contenders that could use our vets NOW?
Would BOS consider something for Nesmith +
Wouldn't AG be exactly what BRK needs?
Couldn't Evan drop right into Klay's spot and shoot 40% for a season?
(not sure of the return on each but I'm trying to see possibilities based on timelines/needs)
Or, consolidate...If Trent is ready, could CJ be had for AG and Fournier? wouldn't that make them a more complete team?
I wouldn't be scared to take a big contract if we were moving two or more (Aminu...) to get exactly what we're missing.


Boston, Utah, Denver, Portland, Philly, and New Orleans seem like “all-in” teams that would trade for win now moves.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1638 » by Skybox » Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:21 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
Skybox wrote:We can't have Vuc, Evan, AG, Isaac, Fultz, Ross, Aminu - all making 12-25m (and some not contributing). My hope is now that Isaac is signed, aggressively shop Evan and AG for SG prospects that might be buried on someone's bench or otherwise underutilized (NAW, Hart, Trent, Barton...) to spread the floor and let the chips fall this season. If Fultz and Cole erupt and bring us up a few seeds-Awesome. If not, hit the lottery anyway...I can't see how we keep Evan by re-signing, so let's try to find a diamond elsewhere, or at least some floor-spreaders because we're now invested heavily in Isaac,Vuc, and Fultz.

who are the contenders that could use our vets NOW?
Would BOS consider something for Nesmith +
Wouldn't AG be exactly what BRK needs?
Couldn't Evan drop right into Klay's spot and shoot 40% for a season?
(not sure of the return on each but I'm trying to see possibilities based on timelines/needs)
Or, consolidate...If Trent is ready, could CJ be had for AG and Fournier? wouldn't that make them a more complete team?
I wouldn't be scared to take a big contract if we were moving two or more (Aminu...) to get exactly what we're missing.


Boston, Utah, Denver, Portland, Philly, and New Orleans seem like “all-in” teams that would trade for win now moves.


Hadn't thought of UTA but with those two huge deals, they've got to be all-in. NOLA is interesting, they dumped off Jrue but extended Adams, so who knows where (they think) they're at...I don't think NOLA or Utah has any use for AG, but any team could benefit from Fournier's shooting and/or expiring deal.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1639 » by pepe1991 » Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:15 am

Skybox wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
Skybox wrote:We can't have Vuc, Evan, AG, Isaac, Fultz, Ross, Aminu - all making 12-25m (and some not contributing). My hope is now that Isaac is signed, aggressively shop Evan and AG for SG prospects that might be buried on someone's bench or otherwise underutilized (NAW, Hart, Trent, Barton...) to spread the floor and let the chips fall this season. If Fultz and Cole erupt and bring us up a few seeds-Awesome. If not, hit the lottery anyway...I can't see how we keep Evan by re-signing, so let's try to find a diamond elsewhere, or at least some floor-spreaders because we're now invested heavily in Isaac,Vuc, and Fultz.

who are the contenders that could use our vets NOW?
Would BOS consider something for Nesmith +
Wouldn't AG be exactly what BRK needs?
Couldn't Evan drop right into Klay's spot and shoot 40% for a season?
(not sure of the return on each but I'm trying to see possibilities based on timelines/needs)
Or, consolidate...If Trent is ready, could CJ be had for AG and Fournier? wouldn't that make them a more complete team?
I wouldn't be scared to take a big contract if we were moving two or more (Aminu...) to get exactly what we're missing.


Boston, Utah, Denver, Portland, Philly, and New Orleans seem like “all-in” teams that would trade for win now moves.


Hadn't thought of UTA but with those two huge deals, they've got to be all-in. NOLA is interesting, they dumped off Jrue but extended Adams, so who knows where (they think) they're at...I don't think NOLA or Utah has any use for AG, but any team could benefit from Fournier's shooting and/or expiring deal.


Blazers could use any help they can get, their rotation now has Carmelo, Trent, Rodney Hood and Kanter as rotation off bench. Jones Jr. is starter. wtf? :lol:
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1640 » by Furinkazan » Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:17 am

OK
Past few days Ive been reading about this huuuge Celtics need for AG :D
so
how about?
AG for a part of Hayward TPE
followed by
Aminu and Birch for
Langford
Nesmith
R.Williams
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