Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason

[stormi]

All of the different agendas and narrative pushers from individual users in the community are what make it so fascinating to observe. Like the Elton Brand stan bit is taking me out at the moment.

[PhillyPhilly]

All of the different agendas and narrative pushers from individual users in the community are what make it so fascinating to observe. Like the Elton Brand stan bit is taking me out at the moment.

"Elton Brand stan"?? So pointing out how people are obsessed with bashing the guy even though he done a ton of good things as gm makes me a "stan"?? Ok EB detractor

[51X3RF4N]

So assuming the Harden trade doesn't happen...

And the Sixers realize Ben isn't going to work with Embiid...

What is the most realistic trade we can come up with that brings in a star who fits with Embiid better, and sends Ben to a team that likely wants him?

Keep in mind we want a win-now, ready to compete for a title type player.

I honestly can't find a better one than James Harden. This is why I think you do the deal and include Simmons. Because chances are high that we eventually realize Ben isn't going to work with Embiid and we look to move on from him. And other than Harden, there really isn't another player who is molded to come right in and compete for titles next to Joel.

Beal? Maybe, but Washington has Westbrook now and won't trade Beal for Ben.

LaVine?? I suppose, but you'd need more than him for Ben and I'm not sure LaVine is championship ready the way Harden is now.

Mitchell? He could work if the issues with Gobert persist, but would Ben make sense with Rudy??

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[BullyKing]

All of the different agendas and narrative pushers from individual users in the community are what make it so fascinating to observe. Like the Elton Brand stan bit is taking me out at the moment.

"Elton Brand stan"?? So pointing out how people are obsessed with bashing the guy even though he done a ton of good things as gm makes me a "stan"?? Ok EB detractor

"Ton of good things". Here is the full list of Elton Brand transactions. You identify for me the moves that you think qualify as "good":

September 21, 2018: Signed Emeka Okafor.

October 10, 2018: Signed Matt Farrell.

October 10, 2018: Signed DJ Hogg.

October 12, 2018: Signed Cory Jefferson.

October 12, 2018: Signed Darin Johnson.

November 12, 2018: Traded Jerryd Bayless, Robert Covington, Dario Šarić and a 2022 2nd round draft pick to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Jimmy Butler and Justin Patton.

January 8, 2019: Signed Haywood Highsmith to a two-way contract.

January 15, 2019: Signed Corey Brewer to a 10-day contract.

February 6, 2019: Traded Wilson Chandler, Mike Muscala, Landry Shamet, a 2020 1st round draft pick (Saddiq Bey was later selected), a 2021 1st round draft pick, a 2021 2nd round draft pick and a 2023 2nd round draft pick to the Los Angeles Clippers for Tobias Harris, Boban Marjanović and Mike Scott. (Pick is MIA's 2021 1st-round pick.) (Pick is DET's 2021 2nd-round pick.) (Pick is DET's 2023 2nd-round pick.)

February 6, 2019: Traded cash to the Toronto Raptors for Emir Preldžić, Malachi Richardson and a 2022 2nd round draft pick.

February 7, 2019: Traded Markelle Fultz to the Orlando Magic for Jonathon Simmons, a 2019 2nd round draft pick (Carsen Edwards was later selected) and a 2020 1st round draft pick (Tyrese Maxey was later selected). (Pick is most favorable of CLE, ORL, HOU or POR pick, but expected to be CLE's 2019 pick.)

February 7, 2019: Traded a 2021 2nd round draft pick to the Houston Rockets for James Ennis. (HOU gains right to swap 2021 second-round picks with PHI.)

April 4, 2019: Signed Greg Monroe to a contract for the rest of the season.

June 20, 2019: Selected Ty Jerome (1st round, 24th pick), Carsen Edwards (2nd round, 33rd pick), Bruno Fernando (2nd round, 34th pick), Admiral Schofield (2nd round, 42nd pick) and Marial Shayok (2nd round, 54th pick) in the 2019 NBA Draft.

June 21, 2019: Traded Carsen Edwards and Ty Jerome to the Boston Celtics for Matisse Thybulle.

June 21, 2019: Traded Admiral Schofield and Jonathon Simmons to the Washington Wizards for cash. $2MM

July 2, 2019: Signed Norvel Pelle to a two-way contract.

July 3, 2019: Signed Matisse Thybulle to a multi-year contract.

July 6, 2019: Signed Jimmy Butler as a free agent.

July 6, 2019: As part of a 4-team trade, the Philadelphia 76ers traded Jimmy Butler to the Miami Heat; the Philadelphia 76ers traded Mathias Lessort to the Los Angeles Clippers; the Los Angeles Clippers traded cash to the Miami Heat; the Miami Heat traded a 2023 1st round draft pick to the Los Angeles Clippers; the Miami Heat traded Josh Richardson to the Philadelphia 76ers; the Miami Heat traded Hassan Whiteside to the Portland Trail Blazers; the Portland Trail Blazers traded Maurice Harkless to the Los Angeles Clippers; and the Portland Trail Blazers traded Meyers Leonard to the Miami Heat. $110K (top-14 protected)

July 7, 2019: Signed Marial Shayok to a two-way contract.

July 7, 2019: Traded Bruno Fernando to the Atlanta Hawks for Jordan Bone, a 2020 2nd round draft pick (Théo Maledon was later selected) and a 2023 2nd round draft pick. (56-60 protected) (2023 second-round draft pick is ATL's, CHO's, or BRK's, whichever is most favorable.)

July 7, 2019: Traded Jordan Bone to the Detroit Pistons for cash and a 2024 2nd round draft pick. (2024 second-round pick is MIA's pick) $2MM

July 10, 2019: Signed Al Horford as a free agent.

July 10, 2019: Signed Tobias Harris as a free agent.

July 10, 2019: Signed Mike Scott as a free agent.

July 11, 2019: Signed Kyle O'Quinn as a free agent.

July 11, 2019: Signed James Ennis as a free agent.

July 11, 2019: Signed Raul Neto as a free agent.

July 16, 2019: Signed Ben Simmons to a multi-year contract. (Signing is extension on deal signed in 2016.)

July 26, 2019: Signed Furkan Korkmaz as a free agent.

July 30, 2019: Signed Trey Burke as a free agent.

October 19, 2019: Signed Julian Washburn.

October 19, 2019: Signed Xavier Munford.

October 19, 2019: Signed Shizz Alston Jr..

October 19, 2019: Signed Terry Harris.

October 19, 2019: Signed Jared Brownridge.

February 6, 2020: Traded James Ennis to the Orlando Magic for a 2020 2nd round draft pick (Paul Reed was later selected). (2020 second-round pick is LAL's pick)

February 6, 2020: Traded a 2020 2nd round draft pick (Nico Mannion was later selected), a 2021 2nd round draft pick and a 2022 2nd round draft pick to the Golden State Warriors for Alec Burks and Glenn Robinson. (2020 second-round pick is DAL's pick) (2021 second-round pick is DEN's pick) (2022 second-round pick is TOR's pick)

August 24, 2020: Fired Brett Brown as Head Coach.

I'm willing to credit him for 1 good move consisting of half credit for the Thybulle pick (half deducted for leaking the promise costing us an early 2nd) and half credit for the Fultz trade (which really only looks quasi defensible because that pick miraculously conveyed).

[UptownPhilly]

So assuming the Harden trade doesn't happen...

And the Sixers realize Ben isn't going to work with Embiid...

What is the most realistic trade we can come up with that brings in a star who fits with Embiid better, and sends Ben to a team that likely wants him?

Keep in mind we want a win-now, ready to compete for a title type player.

I honestly can't find a better one than James Harden. This is why I think you do the deal and include Simmons. Because chances are high that we eventually realize Ben isn't going to work with Embiid and we look to move on from him. And other than Harden, there really isn't another player who is molded to come right in and compete for titles next to Joel.

Beal? Maybe, but Washington has Westbrook now and won't trade Beal for Ben.

LaVine?? I suppose, but you'd need more than him for Ben and I'm not sure LaVine is championship ready the way Harden is now.

Mitchell? He could work if the issues with Gobert persist, but would Ben make sense with Rudy??

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You hope that things fall apart in PDX, and try to make a deal for Dame.

[PhillyPhilly]

All of the different agendas and narrative pushers from individual users in the community are what make it so fascinating to observe. Like the Elton Brand stan bit is taking me out at the moment.

"Elton Brand stan"?? So pointing out how people are obsessed with bashing the guy even though he done a ton of good things as gm makes me a "stan"?? Ok EB detractor

"Ton of good things". Here is the full list of Elton Brand transactions. You identify for me the moves that you think qualify as "good":

September 21, 2018: Signed Emeka Okafor.

October 10, 2018: Signed Matt Farrell.

October 10, 2018: Signed DJ Hogg.

October 12, 2018: Signed Cory Jefferson.

October 12, 2018: Signed Darin Johnson.

November 12, 2018: Traded Jerryd Bayless, Robert Covington, Dario Šarić and a 2022 2nd round draft pick to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Jimmy Butler and Justin Patton.

January 8, 2019: Signed Haywood Highsmith to a two-way contract.

January 15, 2019: Signed Corey Brewer to a 10-day contract.

February 6, 2019: Traded Wilson Chandler, Mike Muscala, Landry Shamet, a 2020 1st round draft pick (Saddiq Bey was later selected), a 2021 1st round draft pick, a 2021 2nd round draft pick and a 2023 2nd round draft pick to the Los Angeles Clippers for Tobias Harris, Boban Marjanović and Mike Scott. (Pick is MIA's 2021 1st-round pick.) (Pick is DET's 2021 2nd-round pick.) (Pick is DET's 2023 2nd-round pick.)

February 6, 2019: Traded cash to the Toronto Raptors for Emir Preldžić, Malachi Richardson and a 2022 2nd round draft pick.

February 7, 2019: Traded Markelle Fultz to the Orlando Magic for Jonathon Simmons, a 2019 2nd round draft pick (Carsen Edwards was later selected) and a 2020 1st round draft pick (Tyrese Maxey was later selected). (Pick is most favorable of CLE, ORL, HOU or POR pick, but expected to be CLE's 2019 pick.)

February 7, 2019: Traded a 2021 2nd round draft pick to the Houston Rockets for James Ennis. (HOU gains right to swap 2021 second-round picks with PHI.)

April 4, 2019: Signed Greg Monroe to a contract for the rest of the season.

June 20, 2019: Selected Ty Jerome (1st round, 24th pick), Carsen Edwards (2nd round, 33rd pick), Bruno Fernando (2nd round, 34th pick), Admiral Schofield (2nd round, 42nd pick) and Marial Shayok (2nd round, 54th pick) in the 2019 NBA Draft.

June 21, 2019: Traded Carsen Edwards and Ty Jerome to the Boston Celtics for Matisse Thybulle.

June 21, 2019: Traded Admiral Schofield and Jonathon Simmons to the Washington Wizards for cash. $2MM

July 2, 2019: Signed Norvel Pelle to a two-way contract.

July 3, 2019: Signed Matisse Thybulle to a multi-year contract.

July 6, 2019: Signed Jimmy Butler as a free agent.

July 6, 2019: As part of a 4-team trade, the Philadelphia 76ers traded Jimmy Butler to the Miami Heat; the Philadelphia 76ers traded Mathias Lessort to the Los Angeles Clippers; the Los Angeles Clippers traded cash to the Miami Heat; the Miami Heat traded a 2023 1st round draft pick to the Los Angeles Clippers; the Miami Heat traded Josh Richardson to the Philadelphia 76ers; the Miami Heat traded Hassan Whiteside to the Portland Trail Blazers; the Portland Trail Blazers traded Maurice Harkless to the Los Angeles Clippers; and the Portland Trail Blazers traded Meyers Leonard to the Miami Heat. $110K (top-14 protected)

July 7, 2019: Signed Marial Shayok to a two-way contract.

July 7, 2019: Traded Bruno Fernando to the Atlanta Hawks for Jordan Bone, a 2020 2nd round draft pick (Théo Maledon was later selected) and a 2023 2nd round draft pick. (56-60 protected) (2023 second-round draft pick is ATL's, CHO's, or BRK's, whichever is most favorable.)

July 7, 2019: Traded Jordan Bone to the Detroit Pistons for cash and a 2024 2nd round draft pick. (2024 second-round pick is MIA's pick) $2MM

July 10, 2019: Signed Al Horford as a free agent.

July 10, 2019: Signed Tobias Harris as a free agent.

July 10, 2019: Signed Mike Scott as a free agent.

July 11, 2019: Signed Kyle O'Quinn as a free agent.

July 11, 2019: Signed James Ennis as a free agent.

July 11, 2019: Signed Raul Neto as a free agent.

July 16, 2019: Signed Ben Simmons to a multi-year contract. (Signing is extension on deal signed in 2016.)

July 26, 2019: Signed Furkan Korkmaz as a free agent.

July 30, 2019: Signed Trey Burke as a free agent.

October 19, 2019: Signed Julian Washburn.

October 19, 2019: Signed Xavier Munford.

October 19, 2019: Signed Shizz Alston Jr..

October 19, 2019: Signed Terry Harris.

October 19, 2019: Signed Jared Brownridge.

February 6, 2020: Traded James Ennis to the Orlando Magic for a 2020 2nd round draft pick (Paul Reed was later selected). (2020 second-round pick is LAL's pick)

February 6, 2020: Traded a 2020 2nd round draft pick (Nico Mannion was later selected), a 2021 2nd round draft pick and a 2022 2nd round draft pick to the Golden State Warriors for Alec Burks and Glenn Robinson. (2020 second-round pick is DAL's pick) (2021 second-round pick is DEN's pick) (2022 second-round pick is TOR's pick)

August 24, 2020: Fired Brett Brown as Head Coach.

I'm willing to credit him for 1 good move consisting of half credit for the Thybulle pick (half deducted for leaking the promise costing us an early 2nd) and half credit for the Fultz trade (which really only looks quasi defensible because that pick miraculously conveyed).

1. The Butler trade was masterstroke. Dario and Cov are no longer with Mini so that tells you how good that deal was.

2. Fultz trade was again a masterstroke considering his situation was a dark cloud hanging over the team and we now got Maxey out of it when most folks thought Fultz was a bust and hard to trade.

3. Matisse pick was smart

4. Burks are Robinson pick-ups were good

5. The picks he traded for Harris, plus Shamet as a player, haven't amounted to anything special. Harris has at least been a 20 pg guy in the regular season in the one and a half seasons he's been here. He wasn't good against Boston in the playoffs but one playoff series where Ben was missing shouldn't define a player imo.

6. He fired Brown and was part of the team who brought in Doc and Morey

The Horford deal was a bad one...but which GM hasn't made an error? Didn't Morey give injury prone Chris Paul a big deal and trade for Westbrook's contract? What about trading for Howard? Danny Aing also did the Kyrie deal.

So all in all how the hell can folks claim EB is a "bad gm" when he only had ONE free agency and ONE draft? He's been far from bad imo.

[BullyKing]

"Elton Brand stan"?? So pointing out how people are obsessed with bashing the guy even though he done a ton of good things as gm makes me a "stan"?? Ok EB detractor

"Ton of good things". Here is the full list of Elton Brand transactions. You identify for me the moves that you think qualify as "good":

September 21, 2018: Signed Emeka Okafor.

October 10, 2018: Signed Matt Farrell.

October 10, 2018: Signed DJ Hogg.

October 12, 2018: Signed Cory Jefferson.

October 12, 2018: Signed Darin Johnson.

November 12, 2018: Traded Jerryd Bayless, Robert Covington, Dario Šarić and a 2022 2nd round draft pick to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Jimmy Butler and Justin Patton.

January 8, 2019: Signed Haywood Highsmith to a two-way contract.

January 15, 2019: Signed Corey Brewer to a 10-day contract.

February 6, 2019: Traded Wilson Chandler, Mike Muscala, Landry Shamet, a 2020 1st round draft pick (Saddiq Bey was later selected), a 2021 1st round draft pick, a 2021 2nd round draft pick and a 2023 2nd round draft pick to the Los Angeles Clippers for Tobias Harris, Boban Marjanović and Mike Scott. (Pick is MIA's 2021 1st-round pick.) (Pick is DET's 2021 2nd-round pick.) (Pick is DET's 2023 2nd-round pick.)

February 6, 2019: Traded cash to the Toronto Raptors for Emir Preldžić, Malachi Richardson and a 2022 2nd round draft pick.

February 7, 2019: Traded Markelle Fultz to the Orlando Magic for Jonathon Simmons, a 2019 2nd round draft pick (Carsen Edwards was later selected) and a 2020 1st round draft pick (Tyrese Maxey was later selected). (Pick is most favorable of CLE, ORL, HOU or POR pick, but expected to be CLE's 2019 pick.)

February 7, 2019: Traded a 2021 2nd round draft pick to the Houston Rockets for James Ennis. (HOU gains right to swap 2021 second-round picks with PHI.)

April 4, 2019: Signed Greg Monroe to a contract for the rest of the season.

June 20, 2019: Selected Ty Jerome (1st round, 24th pick), Carsen Edwards (2nd round, 33rd pick), Bruno Fernando (2nd round, 34th pick), Admiral Schofield (2nd round, 42nd pick) and Marial Shayok (2nd round, 54th pick) in the 2019 NBA Draft.

June 21, 2019: Traded Carsen Edwards and Ty Jerome to the Boston Celtics for Matisse Thybulle.

June 21, 2019: Traded Admiral Schofield and Jonathon Simmons to the Washington Wizards for cash. $2MM

July 2, 2019: Signed Norvel Pelle to a two-way contract.

July 3, 2019: Signed Matisse Thybulle to a multi-year contract.

July 6, 2019: Signed Jimmy Butler as a free agent.

July 6, 2019: As part of a 4-team trade, the Philadelphia 76ers traded Jimmy Butler to the Miami Heat; the Philadelphia 76ers traded Mathias Lessort to the Los Angeles Clippers; the Los Angeles Clippers traded cash to the Miami Heat; the Miami Heat traded a 2023 1st round draft pick to the Los Angeles Clippers; the Miami Heat traded Josh Richardson to the Philadelphia 76ers; the Miami Heat traded Hassan Whiteside to the Portland Trail Blazers; the Portland Trail Blazers traded Maurice Harkless to the Los Angeles Clippers; and the Portland Trail Blazers traded Meyers Leonard to the Miami Heat. $110K (top-14 protected)

July 7, 2019: Signed Marial Shayok to a two-way contract.

July 7, 2019: Traded Bruno Fernando to the Atlanta Hawks for Jordan Bone, a 2020 2nd round draft pick (Théo Maledon was later selected) and a 2023 2nd round draft pick. (56-60 protected) (2023 second-round draft pick is ATL's, CHO's, or BRK's, whichever is most favorable.)

July 7, 2019: Traded Jordan Bone to the Detroit Pistons for cash and a 2024 2nd round draft pick. (2024 second-round pick is MIA's pick) $2MM

July 10, 2019: Signed Al Horford as a free agent.

July 10, 2019: Signed Tobias Harris as a free agent.

July 10, 2019: Signed Mike Scott as a free agent.

July 11, 2019: Signed Kyle O'Quinn as a free agent.

July 11, 2019: Signed James Ennis as a free agent.

July 11, 2019: Signed Raul Neto as a free agent.

July 16, 2019: Signed Ben Simmons to a multi-year contract. (Signing is extension on deal signed in 2016.)

July 26, 2019: Signed Furkan Korkmaz as a free agent.

July 30, 2019: Signed Trey Burke as a free agent.

October 19, 2019: Signed Julian Washburn.

October 19, 2019: Signed Xavier Munford.

October 19, 2019: Signed Shizz Alston Jr..

October 19, 2019: Signed Terry Harris.

October 19, 2019: Signed Jared Brownridge.

February 6, 2020: Traded James Ennis to the Orlando Magic for a 2020 2nd round draft pick (Paul Reed was later selected). (2020 second-round pick is LAL's pick)

February 6, 2020: Traded a 2020 2nd round draft pick (Nico Mannion was later selected), a 2021 2nd round draft pick and a 2022 2nd round draft pick to the Golden State Warriors for Alec Burks and Glenn Robinson. (2020 second-round pick is DAL's pick) (2021 second-round pick is DEN's pick) (2022 second-round pick is TOR's pick)

August 24, 2020: Fired Brett Brown as Head Coach.

I'm willing to credit him for 1 good move consisting of half credit for the Thybulle pick (half deducted for leaking the promise costing us an early 2nd) and half credit for the Fultz trade (which really only looks quasi defensible because that pick miraculously conveyed).

1. The Butler trade was masterstroke. Dario and Cov are no longer with Mini so that tells you how good that deal was.

2. Fultz trade was again a masterstroke considering his situation was a dark cloud hanging over the team and we now got Maxey out of it when most folks thought Fultz was a bust and hard to trade.

3. Matisse pick was smart

4. Burks are Robinson pick-ups were good

5. The picks he traded for Harris, plus Shamet as a player, haven't amounted to anything special. Harris has at least been a 20 pg guy in the regular season in the one and a half seasons he's been here. He wasn't good against Boston in the playoffs but one playoff series where Ben was missing shouldn't define a player imo.

6. He fired Brown and was part of the team who brought in Doc and Morey

The Horford deal was a bad one...but which GM hasn't made an error? Didn't Morey give injury prone Chris Paul a big deal and trade for Westbrook's contract? What about trading for Howard? Danny Aing also did the Kyrie deal.

So all in all how the hell can folks claim EB is a "bad gm" when he only had ONE free agency and ONE draft? He's been far from bad imo.

Unsurprising given its origin, your list is a joke.

1. Butler isn't here either so "that tells you how good that deal was." I would love to still have Covington and he obviously has much more value than Richardson. Wonderful move.

2. I already gave him half credit. It's not a masterstroke.

3. I already gave him half credit.

4. Traded two second round picks so we could get swept in the first round. Masterstroke.

5. The Harris trade was beyond horrible and you cannot think on more than a simplistic level so you don't even begin to account for the fact that it eventually led to the Harris contract - which notice you don't mention. And Shamet alone was already traded for the #19th pick (which we gave up in the trade) so Shamet himself has more value than Harris now.

6. I guarantee firing Brown was an ownership decision but even if not, you're really giving credit to a GM for firing a coach that he decided to keep on? Ok, great.

You keep talking about how he only had one offseason so how can anyone think he is a bad GM while never understanding that the reason he only had one offseason is because he did more damage in that offseason that any GM in recent memory.

[PhillyPhilly]

LOL this is HILAROUS!!.. the EB detractors will write a whole damn essay to discredit the dude when the reality is they are merely spitting in the wind because their opinions DON'T MEAN JACK TO THE SIXERS OWNERS!!..HENCE HIS NEW CONTRACT Anyway....

Unsurprising given its origin, your list is a joke.

1. Butler isn't here either so "that tells you how good that deal was." I would love to still have Covington and he obviously has much more value than Richardson. Wonderful move.

Er Butler was part of a team that was seen as a top two starting five in the league and took the eventual champions seven games and right down to the wire. Meanwhile Dario barely made a mark and Covington started ok and then got injured. What did they get out of the deal long-term? We got an all-star player and then turned that into Josh Richardson and now Seph Curry. So the deal is STILL benefiting the Sixers TODAY whilst Mini have nothing. Get it now? smh

2. I already gave him half credit. It's not a masterstroke.

3. I already gave him half credit.

LOL and this is why your whole post comes across as naïve and bitter!!. "Half credit"?? So when he made moves you didn't like "he's to blame blah blah". But when he made a GOOD MOVE he only deserves "half" the credit? That's PATHETIC and merely exposes your bias.

4. Traded two second round picks so we could get swept in the first round. Masterstroke.

Yes because he could control Ben getting injured right? And building a ROSTER during the regular season is not what Gm's do right? Again all I see is naivety and bias .

5. The Harris trade was beyond horrible and you cannot think on more than a simplistic level so you don't even begin to account for the fact that it eventually led to the Harris contract - which notice you don't mention. And Shamet alone was already traded for the #19th pick (which we gave up in the trade) so Shamet himself has more value than Harris now.

LOL at comparing a rotational player who barely averages 9 ppg to a TWENTY-POINT PER GAME PLAYER!!..you're getting very desperate now . Harris has been with the team for UNDER TWO YEARS AND IS A CONSISTENT 20ppg who can score in a variety of ways and shoot from deep. IF Simmons could shoot a ten foot jumper maybe the trade wouldn't have been needed...but the bottom line is he can play with Ben and Joel and is a MUCH BETTER trade than Westbrook, Howard or Kyrie which you obviously just dodged because you don't want to talk about other GM's mistakes and act like EB is the only one that has made any.

6. I guarantee firing Brown was an ownership decision but even if not, you're really giving credit to a GM for firing a coach that he decided to keep on? Ok, great.

So keeping him was Elton's fault, but firing him was ownership? Yep, there's that biased talk again.

You keep talking about how he only had one offseason so how can anyone think he is a bad GM while never understanding that the reason he only had one offseason is because he did more damage in that offseason that any GM in recent memory.

So again WHAT DID MOREY DO TO THE ROCKETS when he traded for Westbrook and Howard, plus gave Paul a huge contract and destroyed their draft capital too? PLEASE TELL ME? But EB trades for a player who is 20ppg scorer and was part of the best starting five we've had in 20 years and that's "damage"? And you think he did more damage than a GM who drafted Fultz and gave up a pick to do so? SMH ABSOLUTE BULLJIVE .

[BullyKing]

You honestly are not intelligible enough to be worth talking to. It's half credit because it's only a partially good move. I'll now go back to ignoring you like literally the rest of the board.

[Negrodamus]

You honestly are not intelligible enough to be worth talking to. It's half credit because it's only a partially good move. I'll now go back to ignoring you like literally the rest of the board.

More emojis === better point made. Everyone knows this.

[PhillyPhilly]

You honestly are not intelligible enough to be worth talking to. It's half credit because it's only a partially good move. I'll now go back to ignoring you like literally the rest of the board.

Yep..the same old excuses get rolled out when the EB detractors talking points get shut down.."not intelligible enough" translated means "I CAN'T DEFEND MY FEEBLE, BIASED ARGUMENTS"..period .

But have fun "ignoring" me along with the other EB detractors and I hope you all have a wonderful Christmas

[youngcrev]

Jesus, even Elton Brand was like "I need to get someone in here that knows what they're doing" this off-season.

There isn't some big bias against Elton, most people like the guy as a person. He just did a bad job in a position that he obviously wasn't ready for.

[stormi]

One trade that makes sense imo is Matisse for John Collins. Collins is gonna be a free agent next summer but we'd have his bird rights and he's a good young player who can still grow. Add Collins to Simmons, Green, Harris and Embiid and our starting five would be the best it's been since we had Butler imo.

For players that didn't get extended at the window the other day, I'd love to dangle Matisse + for Lonzo if the Harden trade did end up going through. It seems like they've drafted their pg of the future in Kira Lewis & he could come here and give you a lot of the same elements as Ben. Superb guard defender that can pick up anyone full court, pushes the pace in transition and has developed into a really solid floor spacer.

[the_process]

Jesus, even Elton Brand was like "I need to get someone in here that knows what they're doing" this off-season.

There isn't some big bias against Elton, most people like the guy as a person. He just did a bad job in a position that he obviously wasn't ready for.

You spoke his language with the emojis.

[PhillyPhilly]

Jesus, even Elton Brand was like "I need to get someone in here that knows what they're doing" this off-season.

There isn't some big bias against Elton, most people like the guy as a person. He just did a bad job in a position that he obviously wasn't ready for.

Er NO!!. Morey coming to Philly had nothing to do with "getting somone who knows what they are doing"...because if that was the case why did EB get a new contract, appoint Doc and bring in new guys in the front office?

And yes there is a bias against EB that goes beyond the game imo. People are obsessed with the Harris trade and signing Horford but have nothing to say about Morey's history of trading for Russ and Howard, destroying the Rockets draft capitol and giving 30 plus, injury riddled Chris Paul a huge deal. They dress him up as a great gm whilst consistently belittling EB. I call it out and folks aren't able to defend their frivolous points...it's just that simple.

[BullyKing]

Jesus, even Elton Brand was like "I need to get someone in here that knows what they're doing" this off-season.

There isn't some big bias against Elton, most people like the guy as a person. He just did a bad job in a position that he obviously wasn't ready for.

You spoke his language with the emojis.

I feel like every single one of his posts validates my decision to not have a FaceBook account.

[Arsenal]

One trade that makes sense imo is Matisse for John Collins. Collins is gonna be a free agent next summer but we'd have his bird rights and he's a good young player who can still grow. Add Collins to Simmons, Green, Harris and Embiid and our starting five would be the best it's been since we had Butler imo.

For players that didn't get extended at the window the other day, I'd love to dangle Matisse + for Lonzo if the Harden trade did end up going through. It seems like they've drafted their pg of the future in Kira Lewis & he could come here and give you a lot of the same elements as Ben. Superb guard defender that can pick up anyone full court, pushes the pace in transition and has developed into a really solid floor spacer.

Ben Simmons should be shamed with Lonzo's shooting improvement every day. Run it on a loop at the Training Facility lol.

[youngcrev]

Jesus, even Elton Brand was like "I need to get someone in here that knows what they're doing" this off-season.

There isn't some big bias against Elton, most people like the guy as a person. He just did a bad job in a position that he obviously wasn't ready for.

You spoke his language with the emojis.

Apparently that still didn't work.


Oh well, back to ignoring

[PhillyPhilly]

Jesus, even Elton Brand was like "I need to get someone in here that knows what they're doing" this off-season.

There isn't some big bias against Elton, most people like the guy as a person. He just did a bad job in a position that he obviously wasn't ready for.

You spoke his language with the emojis.

Apparently that still didn't work.


Oh well, back to ignoring

Lol bye bro...

[SixthStreet]

Off the wall Simmons trade idea. I don't know what the rules are on trading players that just signed extensions, but De'Aaron Fox and Haliburton (and Cory Joseph's contract for salary purposes) for Simmons. I'd rather do something like that and keep an extended window open instead of doing Simmons + assets for Harden.