Steph Curry is the basketball equivalent of a system QB

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Ahhh, we diminishing Klay to prop Curry, huh

I think this is to say Klay is more important to the overall scheme and is bringing Curry down.

[bovice]

I've been laughed at for saying this since 2016. I think Steph curry is great and might be the most influential basketball player since kobe, but he's not a true #1 on a championship team.

[Marrrcuss]

Ahhh, we diminishing Klay to prop Curry, huh

I think this is to say Klay is more important to the overall scheme and is bringing Curry down.

Not going that far but one does play defense too.

Ive learned no one values defense unless its time to criticize Harden.

[Bergmaniac]

These kneejerk threads during the first week of every new season are the funniest thing on this board.

[Danny1616]

I've been laughed at for saying this since 2016. I think Steph curry is great and might be the most influential basketball player since kobe, but he's not a true #1 on a championship team.

He won a championship as a true #1...WTF?

In 2015 Curry averaged 28, 6 and 5 on efficient shooting splits. Klay averaged 19 in those playoffs.

He also led the Warriors to the finals as the #1 in 2016 and again in 2019 (after KD went out after game 2 in the 2nd round). The Warriors were 1 shot from taking going to game 7 against a stacked Raptors team without KD and Klay missing the end of game 6, lol.

If Curry is not a #1 then every single player apart from Lebron is not a #1 according to your terrible logic.

The dude has outplayed MVP caliber players like Harden, Westbrook, Chris Paul, Durant etc. in the playoffs already.

Curry haters are so stupid it's amazing to watch. And yes, we are still laughing at you since 2016 in case you were wondering because your argument is pure dog $hit.

I'm still in awe wondering how a guy who was the #1 option on a championship team is not considered a true #1 option on a championship team Talk about a contradiction...

[Pelly24]

Steph is not a system player at all that's silly, but for all people talk about his ceiling raising, i always wondered about his floor raising capabilities and this year might give sort of an answer, even if he's 32 so that leaves the argument that he's not the same player. I'm certain Steph will average like 26/8/5 on 60 TS%>>>, but then again, maybe not, and maybe this team will suck? He might miss a lot of fourth quarters because of his team being blown out. I think 2014-2017 Westbrook would get a team like this playing at near a 47-win pace, and people swear that Westbrook was overrated during those years and that Steph was way better. Now we'll see. If this Warriors team wins 25 games I'd say Steph's been kinda exposed. Last year wasn't looking good but there weren't enough games to determine anything. This year is the real deal.

Also when I look at Steph, I just don't see a way for him to get easy buckets. IDK how good of an ISO player he is when facing elite defenders one-on-one

[Danny1616]

Steph is not a system player at all that's silly, but for all people talk about his ceiling raising, i always wondered about his floor raising capabilities and this year might give sort of an answer, even if he's 32 so that leaves the argument that he's not the same player. I'm certain Steph will average like 26/8/5 on 60 TS%>>>, but then again, maybe not, and maybe this team will suck? He might miss a lot of fourth quarters because of his team being blown out. I think 2014-2017 Westbrook would get a team like this playing at near a 47-win pace, and people swear that Westbrook was overrated during those years and that Steph was way better. Now we'll see. If this Warriors team wins 25 games I'd say Steph's been kinda exposed. Last year wasn't looking good but there weren't enough games to determine anything. This year is the real deal.

Also when I look at Steph, I just don't see a way for him to get easy buckets. IDK how good of an ISO player he is when facing elite defenders one-on-one

I disagree, lol.

If you give Curry that OKC roster which won 47 games and guys like Stephen Adams, Enes Kanter, Oladipo, Gibson, Sabonis, Morrow etc. you easily get 50+ wins. You really think that Draymond, Wiggins, Oubre and Wiseman is a better supporting cast?

Curry needs hard-nosed defensive minded players and big men that can protect the rim and set hard screens for him.

[PD28]

If he plays out the full season, we get a real look at how well he can do carrying a team on his own. I for one, don't think he can do it but we shall see lol

[Poohdini1]

We're coming to conclusions now after one game of a 3 time champ and B2B MVP?

[SkyHookFTW]

I just noticed that the OP compared Steph to Nick freaking Foles...

Steph will be in the HOF when his career is over. Foles, not so much.

Foles is already in the Pro Football HoF. He is tied with Peyton Manning for most touchdown passes in a game (7) and his MVP SB accolades are on display--actually, two separate displays.

[Danny1616]

If he plays out the full season, we get a real look at how well he can do carrying a team on his own. I for one, don't think he can do it but we shall see lol

Didn't he carry the Warriors to the finals after KD went down when they were down 2-0 to the Rockets and almost single handedly take a historically great defensive Raptors team to game 7 of the NBA finals?

Curry has proven himself already.

Lebron couldn't lead the Lakers to the playoffs before AD came, does that mean it proves Lebron can't lead a team by himself, lol? Da fuq?

[Homer38]

If he plays out the full season, we get a real look at how well he can do carrying a team on his own. I for one, don't think he can do it but we shall see lol

Didn't he carry the Warriors to the finals after KD went down when they were down 2-0 to the Rockets and almost single handedly take a historically great defensive Raptors team to game 7 of the NBA finals?

Curry has proven himself already.

Lebron couldn't lead the Lakers to the playoffs before AD came, does that mean it proves Lebron can't lead a team by himself, lol? Da fuq?

Klay Thompson had been their best players against the Raptors for the most part....26 PPG and TS% of over 70% in 5 games for Thompson against the Raptors!

[Jadoogar]

He's playing with literal scrubs. Many of which he has never played with.
Wiggins and Oubre are new with the team (also they both mega suck), Wiseman is a rookie, no Draymond, and they played against a very strong team. Lets give it a few weeks before you declare Curry a fraud.

[Danny1616]

If he plays out the full season, we get a real look at how well he can do carrying a team on his own. I for one, don't think he can do it but we shall see lol

Didn't he carry the Warriors to the finals after KD went down when they were down 2-0 to the Rockets and almost single handedly take a historically great defensive Raptors team to game 7 of the NBA finals?

Curry has proven himself already.

Lebron couldn't lead the Lakers to the playoffs before AD came, does that mean it proves Lebron can't lead a team by himself, lol? Da fuq?

Klay Thompson had been their best players against the Raptors for the most part....26 PPG and TS% of over 70% in 5 games for Thompson against the Raptors!

You think Klay would be getting the same looks if Curry was not in his team?

Curry was the highest usage player on that team by a mile.

Also I love that you ignore Curry putting up 37ppg, 8rpg and 7apg in the conference finals against the Blazers LMAO. No KD and the boy literally almost put up a 40 point triple double series. In that same series Klay shot an abysmal 37%.

Curry haters are **** NUTS.

[Homer38]

Didn't he carry the Warriors to the finals after KD went down when they were down 2-0 to the Rockets and almost single handedly take a historically great defensive Raptors team to game 7 of the NBA finals?

Curry has proven himself already.

Lebron couldn't lead the Lakers to the playoffs before AD came, does that mean it proves Lebron can't lead a team by himself, lol? Da fuq?

Klay Thompson had been their best players against the Raptors for the most part....26 PPG and TS% of over 70% in 5 games for Thompson against the Raptors!

You think Klay would be getting the same looks if Curry was not in his team?

Curry was the highest usage player on that team by a mile.

Also I love that you ignore Curry putting up 37ppg, 8rpg and 7apg in the conference finals against the Blazers LMAO. No KD and the boy literally almost put up a 40 point triple double series. In that same series Klay shot an abysmal 37%.

Curry haters are **** NUTS.

No, but same thing for Curry without Thompson

Curry has an amazing career, but to be a top 15-20 players of all-time, you need to at least to compete for a playoff spot at some point in his career even if the team is garbage ... I'm not asking to win the title or things like that, but it would be bad for Curry if the warriors have one of the worst records in the NBA again this year.

[dakomish23]

Maximizing the strengths and minimizing the weaknesses is what you’re supposed to do when building around a superstar. This isn’t the insult you think it is OP

[andrewww]

If he plays out the full season, we get a real look at how well he can do carrying a team on his own. I for one, don't think he can do it but we shall see lol

Didn't he carry the Warriors to the finals after KD went down when they were down 2-0 to the Rockets and almost single handedly take a historically great defensive Raptors team to game 7 of the NBA finals?

Curry has proven himself already.

Lebron couldn't lead the Lakers to the playoffs before AD came, does that mean it proves Lebron can't lead a team by himself, lol? Da fuq?

Curry didnt carry GSW when they were down to Houston.

He isnt a system qb, but he isnt a true floor raiser like Lebron either. He’s a ceiling raiser. And with low iq players who cant shoot next to him now, he looks very very pedestrian.

He was too unselfish last night when he should have called his own number more often, but he also isnt an elite isolation player thats not his game.

The Warriors are going to have a long season with no Klay.

[Pelly24]

Steph is not a system player at all that's silly, but for all people talk about his ceiling raising, i always wondered about his floor raising capabilities and this year might give sort of an answer, even if he's 32 so that leaves the argument that he's not the same player. I'm certain Steph will average like 26/8/5 on 60 TS%>>>, but then again, maybe not, and maybe this team will suck? He might miss a lot of fourth quarters because of his team being blown out. I think 2014-2017 Westbrook would get a team like this playing at near a 47-win pace, and people swear that Westbrook was overrated during those years and that Steph was way better. Now we'll see. If this Warriors team wins 25 games I'd say Steph's been kinda exposed. Last year wasn't looking good but there weren't enough games to determine anything. This year is the real deal.

Also when I look at Steph, I just don't see a way for him to get easy buckets. IDK how good of an ISO player he is when facing elite defenders one-on-one

I disagree, lol.

If you give Curry that OKC roster which won 47 games and guys like Stephen Adams, Enes Kanter, Oladipo, Gibson, Sabonis, Morrow etc. you easily get 50+ wins. You really think that Draymond, Wiggins, Oubre and Wiseman is a better supporting cast?

Curry needs hard-nosed defensive minded players and big men that can protect the rim and set hard screens for him.

A big part of Curry's effect is that his gravity leads to open threes and open shots. When he doesn't have shooting that can hurt things a lot. OKC was one of the worst three-point shooting teams in the league. Oladipo broke out the year after Russ, but this guy sucked lol. He averaged 16 ppg on below league average efficiency and then he averaged 11 ppg on 39% shooting in the playoffs. Everyone hates russ so they act like Oladipo was a good player, but nah. I think Oubre is easily better than that year's Oladipo, and so is Wiggins I'd bet. Sabonis was a rookie and not a great one at that. Kanter can't play defense. Stephen Adams is solid but limited, and without any spacing, Russ had to be an elite passer to thread the needle and get him the ball. No one else on the team was good enough to create their own shot. There were almost no knockdown shooters.

I might be exaggerating when i say 47-win pace, but I do suspect that he could maybe take this team to a lot more wins than Steph will. Russ was night in and night out the best player on the court on most days because no one could stop his drives to the rim and he was hitting jumpers from midrange and three point land with decent regularity. He was inevitable and there was nothing you could really do to stop him on most nights, and that's with no spacing.

I'm not totally convinced Steph can do it. Assuming Draymond is good this year, he'd be better than Steven Adams and Oubre is at least better than 2016-2017 Oladipo. Let's see how far Steph can drag a bad team.

[Danny1616]

Klay Thompson had been their best players against the Raptors for the most part....26 PPG and TS% of over 70% in 5 games for Thompson against the Raptors!

You think Klay would be getting the same looks if Curry was not in his team?

Curry was the highest usage player on that team by a mile.

Also I love that you ignore Curry putting up 37ppg, 8rpg and 7apg in the conference finals against the Blazers LMAO. No KD and the boy literally almost put up a 40 point triple double series. In that same series Klay shot an abysmal 37%.

Curry haters are **** NUTS.

No, but same thing for Curry without Thompson

Curry has an amazing career, but to be a top 15-20 players of all-time, you need to at least to compete for a playoff spot at some point in his career even if the team is garbage ... I'm not asking to win the title or things like that, but it would be bad for Curry if the warriors have one of the worst records in the NBA again this year.

Did you not watch the Warriors in 2013? Klay was in his 2nd season and far from the player he is today, Draymond was a rookie who didn't even get playing time and they nearly upset the Spurs in the 2nd round.

Curry was ridiculous that playoffs and managed to lead the Warriors to an upset over the 3rd seeded Nuggets

[cupcakesnake]

I'm always so impressed by some basketball fans ability to extract meaningful data from small sample sizes. I need a 10 game stretch from Curry this year before I feel like I have strong observations on his game. But OP (and others in this thread) can learn everything they need from a single game or even a single possession. It's an impressive superpower.