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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath 

Post#1821 » by Pointgod » Wed Dec 23, 2020 4:23 pm

Phish Tank wrote:Repugs will go along with the $2,000, but then ask to limit the Fed, repeal Section 230, and all the other pork that was out of the agreed upon bill.


Actually it’s not that easy. The House can pass whatever they want and McConnell either brings it up to vote in the Senate or tries to pass their own legislation. Anything with that crap is not getting past the filibuster. Of course the politically smart thing to do would be to bring it up to a vote and find enough Senators in safe seats to vote against it but have Loeffler and Purdue vote for it. Either way Democrats can message that they wanted to give people more money, supported by the President and Republicans were against it.

Trump absolutely threw a turd in the punch bowl by putting them in a no win situation and it’s glorious to see Frankenstein’s monster turn on its creator.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath 

Post#1822 » by Pointgod » Wed Dec 23, 2020 4:36 pm

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I agree, it's easy to ignore them for the time being but over 70 million people still voted for him and we're still dealing with severely gerrymandered state voting districts which is why so many states are run by republicans. This is why I firmly believe that Democrats need to come out swinging for the fences from the opening pitch on January 20. Hopefully, we'll have the Senate with us this time. :pray:


right. i'm in no way suggeting cutting off 74 million americans with myriad political differences. that wasn't quite the point of this. it is the notion of accepting that there will be a subset that you can't reach. to what extent do you accept that and how do you proceed?


As far as I’m concerned those 74 million Americans have demonstrated their irrelevance. Their concerns s don’t take precedent over the 80+ million that voted for Biden. Legislation shouldn’t be watered down or compromised to appease them. Now as harsh as I sound, I still believe that Biden and Democrats need to show a positive message to these people, don’t divide the country like Trump did but at the same time the page needs to turn. Democrats need to focus on turning out their base and registering new voters instead of trying to turn Republicans. On the whole the Democratic legislation will help everyone from Democrats, Independents, Republicans and non affiliated. They need to start messaging that specifically to Republicans and Independents instead of always using the stupid word bipartisan. Pass Democratic policies but the rhetoric should have mass appeal.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath 

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath 

Post#1824 » by Jeff Van Gully » Wed Dec 23, 2020 6:03 pm

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I agree, it's easy to ignore them for the time being but over 70 million people still voted for him and we're still dealing with severely gerrymandered state voting districts which is why so many states are run by republicans. This is why I firmly believe that Democrats need to come out swinging for the fences from the opening pitch on January 20. Hopefully, we'll have the Senate with us this time. :pray:


right. i'm in no way suggeting cutting off 74 million americans with myriad political differences. that wasn't quite the point of this. it is the notion of accepting that there will be a subset that you can't reach. to what extent do you accept that and how do you proceed?


As far as I’m concerned those 74 million Americans have demonstrated their irrelevance. Their concerns s don’t take precedent over the 80+ million that voted for Biden. Legislation shouldn’t be watered down or compromised to appease them. Now as harsh as I sound, I still believe that Biden and Democrats need to show a positive message to these people, don’t divide the country like Trump did but at the same time the page needs to turn. Democrats need to focus on turning out their base and registering new voters instead of trying to turn Republicans. On the whole the Democratic legislation will help everyone from Democrats, Independents, Republicans and non affiliated. They need to start messaging that specifically to Republicans and Independents instead of always using the stupid word bipartisan. Pass Democratic policies but the rhetoric should have mass appeal.


i don't disagree in that i don't give trump voters a pass. i guess the argument here is that there is maybe a large number of trump voters who can come back to the table as opposed to maybe a loud minority who are GONE gone. complete diametric opposition of a nearly half and half variety is not sustainable.

edit: i live in the south. south carolina, which in a lot of ways is willfully ignorant and worse off than it needs to be out of an antiquated sense of stubbornness dating back to antebellum times. and i've spoken to people down here AND up north who voted for trump the first time, were horrified by the term, remain conservatives, but wouldn't support him any further -- let alone vote for him again.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath 

Post#1827 » by Pointgod » Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:30 pm

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right. i'm in no way suggeting cutting off 74 million americans with myriad political differences. that wasn't quite the point of this. it is the notion of accepting that there will be a subset that you can't reach. to what extent do you accept that and how do you proceed?


As far as I’m concerned those 74 million Americans have demonstrated their irrelevance. Their concerns s don’t take precedent over the 80+ million that voted for Biden. Legislation shouldn’t be watered down or compromised to appease them. Now as harsh as I sound, I still believe that Biden and Democrats need to show a positive message to these people, don’t divide the country like Trump did but at the same time the page needs to turn. Democrats need to focus on turning out their base and registering new voters instead of trying to turn Republicans. On the whole the Democratic legislation will help everyone from Democrats, Independents, Republicans and non affiliated. They need to start messaging that specifically to Republicans and Independents instead of always using the stupid word bipartisan. Pass Democratic policies but the rhetoric should have mass appeal.


i don't disagree in that i don't give trump voters a pass. i guess the argument here is that there is maybe a large number of trump voters who can come back to the table as opposed to maybe a loud minority who are GONE gone. complete diametric opposition of a nearly half and half variety is not sustainable.

edit: i live in the south. south carolina, which in a lot of ways is willfully ignorant and worse off than it needs to be out of an antiquated sense of stubbornness dating back to antebellum times. and i've spoken to people down here AND up north who voted for trump the first time, were horrified by the term, remain conservatives, but wouldn't support him any further -- let alone vote for him again.


You see though those voters you’re talking about are a small sliver of Republican voters. It’s not like these voters were convinced by Democratic policies, they were turned off by Trump. In 2024 they’ll go back to voting Republican, even if the person is just as evil, reckless and morally bankrupt, they just hide it better. The concern is that there were a ton of voters that saw four years of Trump and thought yeah I want more of that. That number far outweighs the number that were disgusted with Trump and decided not to re-elect him but also a less than Joe Biden’s voters.

And by all means I believe that Democrats should pass and talk up legislation that will affect rural voters like infrastructure, postal banking and rural broadband but I think they shouldn’t compromise in some hopes of appeasing them (this is assuming that Democrats end up controlling all 3 branches of Congress). I think just a big thing is messaging. Like instead of talking about coronavirus funding in general terms like states and local governments they should go out of their way to mention majority Republican states and local governments and specific Senators and members of Congress from those states blocking the funding will lead to teachers, police, fire departments being laid off or higher taxes.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath 

Post#1828 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:09 pm

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath 

Post#1829 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:10 pm

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Jeff Van Gully wrote:like... i have been fortunate enough to get the pfizer vaccine because i am a healthcare worker. so far, i am not a crocodile.


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Do you feel any side effects from it?
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath 

Post#1830 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:11 pm

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath 

Post#1831 » by Oscirus » Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:25 pm

Did the dems miss the part where trump talked about removing funds from their pet projects to do all this? As long as they're col with it, so am i
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath 

Post#1832 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:28 pm

Phish Tank wrote:Repugs will go along with the $2,000, but then ask to limit the Fed, repeal Section 230, and all the other pork that was out of the agreed upon bill.


That'll all take too long. If the Repubs follow Trump on this, it should be the only amendment made to the bill. If they start trying to renegotiate all of these other issues, they would have to stay through the holidays and we know they won't be doing that.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath 

Post#1833 » by Jeff Van Gully » Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:10 pm

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nah. haven't become a crocodile yet either.


Do you feel any side effects from it?


none at all. i felt fine. i hear the second step is where folks are having more immuno reactions. fingers crossed i don't have anything like that.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath 

Post#1834 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:16 pm

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Phish Tank wrote:Repugs will go along with the $2,000, but then ask to limit the Fed, repeal Section 230, and all the other pork that was out of the agreed upon bill.


That'll all take too long. If the Repubs follow Trump on this, it should be the only amendment made to the bill. If they start trying to renegotiate all of these other issues, they would have to stay through the holidays and we know they won't be doing that.


With the GA Run-Off in 13 days, X-Mas is in 2 days, then New Year's Eve, it is very easy to see how Mitch will drag his feet and gamble on winning at least one of those Senate seats. That's more or less what I expect to happen since he no longer GAF what Trump thinks. And if that is what he does, then the Dems get to roll the dice on winning both seats and if they do then Mitch is put on the shelf. I doubt anything happens now before the January 5th election.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath 

Post#1835 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:42 pm

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Phish Tank wrote:Repugs will go along with the $2,000, but then ask to limit the Fed, repeal Section 230, and all the other pork that was out of the agreed upon bill.


That'll all take too long. If the Repubs follow Trump on this, it should be the only amendment made to the bill. If they start trying to renegotiate all of these other issues, they would have to stay through the holidays and we know they won't be doing that.


With the GA Run-Off in 13 days, X-Mas is in 2 days, then New Year's Eve, it is very easy to see how Mitch will drag his feet and gamble on winning at least one of those Senate seats. That's more or less what I expect to happen since he no longer GAF what Trump thinks. And if that is what he does, then the Dems get to roll the dice on winning both seats and if they do then Mitch is put on the shelf. I doubt anything happens now before the January 5th election.


But if Mitch drags his feet on this then Ossoff and Warnock can exploit that very bigly by pointing out to Georgian voters that nothing will get done unless we have win these two seats. It's a double-edge sword Mitch is holding.
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Post#1836 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:18 pm

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That'll all take too long. If the Repubs follow Trump on this, it should be the only amendment made to the bill. If they start trying to renegotiate all of these other issues, they would have to stay through the holidays and we know they won't be doing that.


With the GA Run-Off in 13 days, X-Mas is in 2 days, then New Year's Eve, it is very easy to see how Mitch will drag his feet and gamble on winning at least one of those Senate seats. That's more or less what I expect to happen since he no longer GAF what Trump thinks. And if that is what he does, then the Dems get to roll the dice on winning both seats and if they do then Mitch is put on the shelf. I doubt anything happens now before the January 5th election.


But if Mitch drags his feet on this then Ossoff and Warnock can exploit that very bigly by pointing out to Georgian voters that nothing will get done unless we have win these two seats. It's a double-edge sword Mitch is holding.


Yes, Mitch is pretty well boxed in, because if he doesn't agree and hold a vote for Robot Barbie and Perdue to also vote on then there is nothing good to tell GA voters going to the polls.

I think the logic is pretty clear that the Dems win by raising a ruckus now and stalling it out, because that may just be what's needed to put Warnock and Ossoff over the top. TBH, it is close enough that they should take that bet.

I'm confident Pelosi has all of those angles figured out.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath 

Post#1837 » by Im Coming Home » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:30 pm

Now that he's veteod it, any chance it goes to 2k? Won't they just override his veto?

I thought the stronger 'veto' was for him to just let it sit on his desk and not do anything with it yet.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath 

Post#1838 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:50 pm

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