2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath

[HarthorneWingo]

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Whole families are going to prison

[Clyde_Style]

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I don't remember who they were, but there was a poster who was bragging about being an insider on "capital" hill and was raging about Abrams being a worthless sack of corporate funded feces, yet here we are again with her in the thick of successfully getting out the vote

[Pointgod]

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I keep telling you Trump a s McConnell have the **** worst political instincts.

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I don't remember who they were, but there was a poster who was bragging about being an insider on "capital" hill and was raging about Abrams being a worthless sack of corporate funded feces, yet here we are again with her in the thick of successfully getting out the vote

It’s safe to say who ever posted that garbage is the actual piece of feces. I remember the Faugressive wing of the party giving Abrams grief before the election for taking funding from Bloomberg. As far as I’m concerned I would have partnered with the devil himself to get rid of Trump

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[HarthorneWingo]

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I don't remember who they were, but there was a poster who was bragging about being an insider on "capital" hill and was raging about Abrams being a worthless sack of corporate funded feces, yet here we are again with her in the thick of successfully getting out the vote

Critiquing her on being "a DC insider" is one thing, calling "a worthless sack of corporate funded feces" is another. I was not supportive of Abrams as a VP candidate. I am extremely supportive of Abrams for Chairwoman of the DNC.

[HarthorneWingo]

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I keep telling you Trump a s McConnell have the **** worst political instincts.

Sure, I agree. But we're still our own worst enemy. As bad as those actors are - and during a pandemic - they STILL made things awfully close and still kept control of most of the state governments. Why is that? Why aren't we taking advantage of their vulnerabilities?

Again, look at the polls on the most important issues of the day.

-M4A
-GND/Infrastructure
-Criminal Justice Reform/Marijuana Legalization/Police Reform
-Immigration reform
-Tuition debt/Free state college

Americans - both Democrats AND Republicans - are in favor of these. How is it that we can't take advantage of these policies to our political advantage given the facts on the ground as they exist today? It's just crazy to me. It has to be that Democrats like Pelosi and Schumer really don't give a rat's ass about it/us.

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I keep telling you Trump a s McConnell have the **** worst political instincts.

Sure, I agree. But we're still our own worst enemy. As bad as those actors are - and during a pandemic - they STILL made things awfully close and still kept control of most of the state governments. Why is that? Why aren't we taking advantage of their vulnerabilities?

Again, look at the polls on the most important issues of the day.

-M4A
-GND/Infrastructure
-Criminal Justice Reform/Marijuana Legalization/Police Reform
-Immigration reform
-Tuition debt/Free state college

Americans - both Democrats AND Republicans - are in favor of these. How is it that we can't take advantage of these policies to our political advantage given the facts on the ground as they exist today? It's just crazy to me. It has to be that Democrats like Pelosi and Schumer really don't give a rat's ass about it/us.

Literally the only reason is the unDemocratic nature of the electoral college and Senate. It’s not hard to win in a state that’s 90% white when there’s a sizeable population of white people that would rather see the country burn then have to even think of others. You have two Senators from North and South Dakota, Alabama, Mississipi etc. Republicans learned that they don’t actually have to offer anything to their voters, they can just scare them into voting by saying X will take away from you. Whatever X is doesn’t need to be coherent or make sense.

Look at Georgia, it should be a cakewalk for Republicans. After all there are more white people in Georgia than any other demographic, but the fact that there is a sizeable population of engaged non white voters and youth exposes how much the Republicans struggle. They literally have ZERO message. But the numbers just aren’t in Democrat’s favor in a lot of key states required to take the Senate. You go to West Virginia, Ohio, Florida, Iowa etc. Not so much

[HarthorneWingo]

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[Oscirus]

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I supported biden in both the primaries and the gen cuz I thought he was a fighter but every time he opens his mouth, he reveals himself to be more and more of a bitch that plays identity politics without much substance

[Oscirus]

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Trust those polls if you want to. Until they fix their model Im done paying attention to those things

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I supported biden in both the primaries and the gen cuz I thought he was a fighter but every time he opens his mouth, he reveals himself to be more and more of a bitch that plays identity politics without much substance

I wouldn't expect that agenda to be acted upon out of the gate when the economic situation is grim and they are saving their powder to initiate other expensive programs. It is all well and good to say it is just the banks and they can take the loss in revenues from school debt payments, but it may have a destabilizing effect on the financial system during a depression.

Calling him a bitch for not going after that now is just too easy a target. If they are going to do something about educational debt it was never likely to happen right away. It's a big issue among a whole set of big and even bigger issues. They do have to pick and choose and some favorite agendas are going to be set aside for now.

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Trust those polls if you want to. Until they fix their model Im done paying attention to those things

The polling in GA in the gen election was surprisingly accurate down to within a percent or two, so if there are 5-7% gaps opening up in the polls now that is a good sign. Not taking it any more for granted than you are, but we do know the Dems have successfully registered the amount of new voters that could definitely be the margins of victory and the Reps have not. It's promising at least.

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I wouldn't expect that agenda to be acted upon out of the gate when the economic situation is grim and they are saving their powder to initiate other expensive programs. It is all well and good to say it is just the banks and they can take the loss in revenues from school debt payments, but it may have a destabilizing effect on the financial system during a depression.

Calling him a bitch for not going after that now is just too easy a target. If they are going to do something about educational debt it was never likely to happen right away. It's a big issue among a whole set of big and even bigger issues. They do have to pick and choose and some favorite agendas are going to be set aside for now.

Also hidden in the Twittersphere arguments is that trying to cancel 50k of debt will probably lead to a lawsuit and will get held up in court forever..... gotta pick and choose your battles. That's why everyone can't be built for president

[Clyde_Style]

I wouldn't expect that agenda to be acted upon out of the gate when the economic situation is grim and they are saving their powder to initiate other expensive programs. It is all well and good to say it is just the banks and they can take the loss in revenues from school debt payments, but it may have a destabilizing effect on the financial system during a depression.

Calling him a bitch for not going after that now is just too easy a target. If they are going to do something about educational debt it was never likely to happen right away. It's a big issue among a whole set of big and even bigger issues. They do have to pick and choose and some favorite agendas are going to be set aside for now.

Also hidden in the Twittersphere arguments is that trying to cancel 50k of debt will probably lead to a lawsuit and will get held up in court forever..... gotta pick and choose your battles. That's why everyone can't be built for president

For sure. People want to make it out to be only a matter of waving a magic wand to wipe out over a trillion dollars in loans. Social Media is contextually paper thin. Outrage is only a click away

[Dr Positivity]

So the Democrats sneakily made the stimulus bill unanimous consent, expecting that it wouldn't pass when at least one GOP member said no to it. All so they can then blame the Republicans for not passing it:

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[Clyde_Style]

So the Democrats sneakily made the stimulus bill unanimous consent, expecting that it wouldn't pass when at least one GOP member said no to it. All so they can then blame the Republicans for not passing it:

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Hold on!

You're going to keep posting after you declared the turning point was about to happen when it obviously wasn't?

Do you like continually smearing egg on your face?

[Dr Positivity]

So the Democrats sneakily made the stimulus bill unanimous consent, expecting that it wouldn't pass when at least one GOP member said no to it. All so they can then blame the Republicans for not passing it:

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Hold on!

You're going to keep posting after you declared the turning point was about to happen when it obviously wasn't?

Do you like continually smearing egg on your face?

I will admit I was misled by an article making it seem like Pence had some sort of deadline on Dec 23rd to tell the legislatures to call special sessions.

I do not know how Trump will get to the victory line but I am confident he is in control. And is overall more patient than me.

[Clyde_Style]

So the Democrats sneakily made the stimulus bill unanimous consent, expecting that it wouldn't pass when at least one GOP member said no to it. All so they can then blame the Republicans for not passing it:

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Hold on!

You're going to keep posting after you declared the turning point was about to happen when it obviously wasn't?

Do you like continually smearing egg on your face?

I will admit I was misled by an article making it seem like Pence had some sort of deadline on Dec 23rd to tell the legislatures to call special sessions.

I do not know how Trump will get to the victory line but I am confident he is in control. And is overall more patient than me.

All you do is regurgitate undigested BS so it was not one time. It is pretty much everything you post so you don't get to mea culpa away your continually embarrassing posts by saying your source was bad. All of your sources are bad. You post in bad faith. You willfully lie repeatedly and trot out delusional scenarios. So forgive me if I put you on ignore now and never read you again. You're just a non-stop source of BS

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I supported biden in both the primaries and the gen cuz I thought he was a fighter but every time he opens his mouth, he reveals himself to be more and more of a bitch that plays identity politics without much substance

I wouldn't expect that agenda to be acted upon out of the gate when the economic situation is grim and they are saving their powder to initiate other expensive programs. It is all well and good to say it is just the banks and they can take the loss in revenues from school debt payments, but it may have a destabilizing effect on the financial system during a depression.

Calling him a bitch for not going after that now is just too easy a target. If they are going to do something about educational debt it was never likely to happen right away. It's a big issue among a whole set of big and even bigger issues. They do have to pick and choose and some favorite agendas are going to be set aside for now.

You know what’s funny? I was ready to agree with Wingo and Ocirus and then I did some digging. And if you actually read the article it’s a lot more complex than “Old Scrooge Biden doesn’t want to cancel student debt.” I’ve noticed that Wingo likes to post headlines out of context to throw shade at any non Bernie acolyte.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedman/2020/12/23/why-joe-biden-wont-cancel-student-loans/

The “why” behind Biden’s comments today are particularly important. Biden didn’t elaborate on his comments or explain the rationale behind his position. However, reading between the lines, Biden’s comments imply that a president — at least President Biden — can’t or won’t cancel student loans. Most legal scholars support Biden’s position— even if it’s now up for debate — that only Congress, and not the president acting unilaterally, has the power to cancel student loan debt. Why? The U.S. Constitution provides for three separate yet equal branches of government. Congress is the branch of government tasked with the power of federal spending. Since cancelling student loan debt is effectively a form of federal spending, this falls in Congress’s lane, not the president’s.

The U.S. Secretary of Education can cancel student loan debt under the Higher Education Act. Warren and Schumer are right in this regard. For example, the Education Secretary can cancel federal student loan debt due to fraud, school closure or total and permanent disability. However, this is not the same as cancelling approximately $1.5 trillion of federal student loan debt in a single day. The power granted to the Education Secretary is a procedural one and limited to certain egregious situations in which borrowers have been cheated or wronged in some way. This is different than empowering the executive branch with full and complete authority to “spend” $1.5 trillion to cancel student loan debt (no matter how noble the purpose). As a former U.S. senator, Biden knows this too. Biden knows that the executive branch doesn’t have unlimited power. Separation of powers allows the legislative branch to “check” the executive branch, making it unlikely that a president could forgive all student loans at once. Ultimately, Biden may have the legal power to do so, as he intimates. However, Biden seems unwilling — for pragmatic reasons — be entangled in a potential constitutional question. It appears that the president-elect would rather take the traditional route: through Congress, a path he knows all too well.

Either way it’s the right conversation that the Democratic Party should be having but only because the Party has control of 2 of 3 branches of Congress. That’s why IMO the only focus should be on Georgia