Greater: Kobe Bryant vs Stephen Curry
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Never been a fan of Kobe, but its easily him. Curry definitely had a better peak though.
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im 20, and i did grow up watching MJ play in the 90's.
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dautjazz wrote:Never been a fan of Kobe, but its easily him. Curry definitely had a better peak though.
Kobe more reliable and consistent come playoff time
Better at controlling tempo
Better in the 4th
Very good defender in his earlier days and a good defender in late 2000s
Curry has been avg at best, was consistently attacked in some series
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Kobe easy. Better all around scorer, better defender, just better all around player. Kobe could carry a team on his back while curry is more of a shooter/team quarterback.
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Black Mamba no question. He's better on both ends, Steph is a better shooter but Kobe has a more well rounded offensive game that didn't rely on one thing. And defense.. yeah let's not even talk about it lol.
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GeorgeMarcus wrote:PaulLee wrote:I'm a big Steph fan, but it will be hard for Steph to be greater than Kobe with the amount of defensive accolades that Kobe has under his belt. Kobe was all defensive 1st team 9 times!
A lot worse offensively though, and some of those defensive awards were by reputation
Ok I’ll be generous and say 4 were on reputation. That’s still a lot more than curry. Lol.
I’ll take Kobe all day. He took a bad team to the playoffs. I don’t see curry taking this team anywhere and last year let’s be honest he didn’t even want the challenge. Unless you believe a broken hand takes all season heal. Didn’t Kobe win the chip with a broken finger?
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GeorgeMarcus wrote:Curry definitely peaked higher. They are neck and neck as far as careers go, with maybe a slight edge to Kobe (for now). Even that is debatable.
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5-time NBA champion: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010[11][12][13]
7 NBA Finals appearances: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2008, 2009, 2010[11][12][13][14][15]
2-time NBA Finals MVP: 2009, 2010
NBA Most Valuable Player: 2008[7][16][17]
2-time scoring champion: 2006, 2007[18]
18-time NBA All-Star: 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016[9]
18 consecutive selections, 13 consecutive appearances (No All-Star game in 1999 due to a league-wide lockout)[9][19]
Missed the 2010, 2014 and 2015 games due to injury[20]
4-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 2002, 2007, 2009, 2011 (shared the 2009 award with Shaquille O'Neal)[21]
15-time All-NBA Team selection:
First team: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013[22][23]
Second team: 2000, 2001[22][23]
Third team: 1999, 2005[22][23]
12-time All-Defensive Team selection:
First team: 2000, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011[24][25]
Second team: 2001, 2002, 2012[24][25]
NBA All-Rookie Team selection:
Second team: 1997[26][27]
NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion: 1997[28]
34-time Player of the Month: December 2000, November 2001, January 2003, March 2004, January 2006, April 2006, December 2006, March 2007, April 2007, February 2008, April 2008, December 2008, January 2009, December 2009, March 2011, December/January 2012, February 2013[9]
Player of the Month was awarded separately to Eastern and Western Conference starting from the 2001–02 season.[29]
NBA regular season leader:
games played: 1998–99 (50), 2007–08 (82), 2008–09 (82)[9]
usage percentage: 2005–06 (38.7), 2010–11 (35.1), 2011–12 (35.7)[9]
points: 2002–03 (2,461), 2005–06 (2,832, 7th in NBA history),[30] 2006–07 (2,430), 2007–08 (2,323)[9]
points per game: 2005–06 (35.4, 8th in NBA history),[31] 2006–07 (31.6)[9]
field goals attempted: 2005–06 (2,173), 2006–07 (1,757), 2007–08 (1,690), 2010–11 (1,639), 2011–12 (1336)[9]
field goals made: 2002–03 (868), 2005–06 (978), 2006–07 (813)[9]
free throws attempted: 2006–07 (768)[9]
free throws made: 2005–06 (696), 2006–07 (667)[9]
2nd most points in a game: 81 (on January 22, 2006 vs. the Toronto Raptors)[5][6]
2nd most points in a half: 55 (On January 22, 2006 s. the Toronto Raptors)
3rd most 40 point games: 135
3rd most 50 point games: 26
2nd most 60 point games: 6
2x Best NBA Player ESPY Award winner: 2008, 2010
NBA playoffs leader:
win shares: 2001 (3.8)
points: 2004 (539), 2008 (633), 2009 (695), 2010 (671)
points per game: 2003 (32.1), 2007 (32.8), 2008 (30.1)
minutes played: 2002 (833), 2004 (973)
field goals made: 2004 (190), 2008 (222), 2009 (242), 2010 (234)
field goals attempted: 2002 (431), 2004 (460), 2008 (463), 2009 (530), 2010 (511)
free throws made: 2004 (135), 2008 (157), 2009 (174), 2010 (154)
free throws attempted: 2008 (194), 2010 (183)
steals: 2000 (32), 2009 (38)
turnovers: 2010 (79)
personal fouls: 2000 (89)
Versus
3x NBA champion: 2015, 2017, 2018
2x NBA Most Valuable Player: 2015, 2016
The only unanimous MVP selection in league history (2016)
6x NBA All-Star: 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019
6x All-NBA selection:
3x First team: 2015, 2016, 2019
2× Second team: 2014, 2017
Third team: 2018
All-Rookie First Team: 2010
5× NBA three-point field goals leader: 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
4× NBA free-throw percentage leader: 2011, 2015, 2016, 2018
NBA steals leader: 2016
NBA scoring leader: 2016
NBA Three-Point Contest champion: 2015
NBA Skills Challenge champion: 2011
NBA Sportsmanship Award: 2011
NBA Community Assist Award: 2014
NBA regular season record for made three-pointers (402)[1]
NBA record for most three-pointers made in a single playoffs (98 – tied with ])[2]
NBA Finals record for most three-pointers made in a game (9)[3]
NBA record for most consecutive regular season games with a made three-pointer (157)
NBA record for most consecutive playoff games with a made three-pointer (112)
NBA record for most 10 plus three pointer games in the regular season (15)
NBA record for most points scored in an overtime period (17)
Warriors franchise leader in three-point field goals made
Warriors franchise leader in Assists in Playoffs
Warriors franchise leader in three-point field goals in Playoffs
Warriors franchise leader in Steals in Playoffs
Warriors franchise leader in Points in Playoffs
ESPY Award for Best Male Athlete and Best NBA Player (2015)
Hickok Belt (2015)
3x BET Award for Sportsman of the Year (2015-2017)
Lead the warriors to a 73-9 record in the nba
Warriors franchise record holder for triple double as a rookie
7 NBA Finals appearances: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2008, 2009, 2010[11][12][13][14][15]
2-time NBA Finals MVP: 2009, 2010
NBA Most Valuable Player: 2008[7][16][17]
2-time scoring champion: 2006, 2007[18]
18-time NBA All-Star: 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016[9]
18 consecutive selections, 13 consecutive appearances (No All-Star game in 1999 due to a league-wide lockout)[9][19]
Missed the 2010, 2014 and 2015 games due to injury[20]
4-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 2002, 2007, 2009, 2011 (shared the 2009 award with Shaquille O'Neal)[21]
15-time All-NBA Team selection:
First team: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013[22][23]
Second team: 2000, 2001[22][23]
Third team: 1999, 2005[22][23]
12-time All-Defensive Team selection:
First team: 2000, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011[24][25]
Second team: 2001, 2002, 2012[24][25]
NBA All-Rookie Team selection:
Second team: 1997[26][27]
NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion: 1997[28]
34-time Player of the Month: December 2000, November 2001, January 2003, March 2004, January 2006, April 2006, December 2006, March 2007, April 2007, February 2008, April 2008, December 2008, January 2009, December 2009, March 2011, December/January 2012, February 2013[9]
Player of the Month was awarded separately to Eastern and Western Conference starting from the 2001–02 season.[29]
NBA regular season leader:
games played: 1998–99 (50), 2007–08 (82), 2008–09 (82)[9]
usage percentage: 2005–06 (38.7), 2010–11 (35.1), 2011–12 (35.7)[9]
points: 2002–03 (2,461), 2005–06 (2,832, 7th in NBA history),[30] 2006–07 (2,430), 2007–08 (2,323)[9]
points per game: 2005–06 (35.4, 8th in NBA history),[31] 2006–07 (31.6)[9]
field goals attempted: 2005–06 (2,173), 2006–07 (1,757), 2007–08 (1,690), 2010–11 (1,639), 2011–12 (1336)[9]
field goals made: 2002–03 (868), 2005–06 (978), 2006–07 (813)[9]
free throws attempted: 2006–07 (768)[9]
free throws made: 2005–06 (696), 2006–07 (667)[9]
2nd most points in a game: 81 (on January 22, 2006 vs. the Toronto Raptors)[5][6]
2nd most points in a half: 55 (On January 22, 2006 s. the Toronto Raptors)
3rd most 40 point games: 135
3rd most 50 point games: 26
2nd most 60 point games: 6
2x Best NBA Player ESPY Award winner: 2008, 2010
NBA playoffs leader:
win shares: 2001 (3.8)
points: 2004 (539), 2008 (633), 2009 (695), 2010 (671)
points per game: 2003 (32.1), 2007 (32.8), 2008 (30.1)
minutes played: 2002 (833), 2004 (973)
field goals made: 2004 (190), 2008 (222), 2009 (242), 2010 (234)
field goals attempted: 2002 (431), 2004 (460), 2008 (463), 2009 (530), 2010 (511)
free throws made: 2004 (135), 2008 (157), 2009 (174), 2010 (154)
free throws attempted: 2008 (194), 2010 (183)
steals: 2000 (32), 2009 (38)
turnovers: 2010 (79)
personal fouls: 2000 (89)
Versus
3x NBA champion: 2015, 2017, 2018
2x NBA Most Valuable Player: 2015, 2016
The only unanimous MVP selection in league history (2016)
6x NBA All-Star: 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019
6x All-NBA selection:
3x First team: 2015, 2016, 2019
2× Second team: 2014, 2017
Third team: 2018
All-Rookie First Team: 2010
5× NBA three-point field goals leader: 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
4× NBA free-throw percentage leader: 2011, 2015, 2016, 2018
NBA steals leader: 2016
NBA scoring leader: 2016
NBA Three-Point Contest champion: 2015
NBA Skills Challenge champion: 2011
NBA Sportsmanship Award: 2011
NBA Community Assist Award: 2014
NBA regular season record for made three-pointers (402)[1]
NBA record for most three-pointers made in a single playoffs (98 – tied with ])[2]
NBA Finals record for most three-pointers made in a game (9)[3]
NBA record for most consecutive regular season games with a made three-pointer (157)
NBA record for most consecutive playoff games with a made three-pointer (112)
NBA record for most 10 plus three pointer games in the regular season (15)
NBA record for most points scored in an overtime period (17)
Warriors franchise leader in three-point field goals made
Warriors franchise leader in Assists in Playoffs
Warriors franchise leader in three-point field goals in Playoffs
Warriors franchise leader in Steals in Playoffs
Warriors franchise leader in Points in Playoffs
ESPY Award for Best Male Athlete and Best NBA Player (2015)
Hickok Belt (2015)
3x BET Award for Sportsman of the Year (2015-2017)
Lead the warriors to a 73-9 record in the nba
Warriors franchise record holder for triple double as a rookie
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nzahir wrote:dautjazz wrote:Never been a fan of Kobe, but its easily him. Curry definitely had a better peak though.
Kobe more reliable and consistent come playoff time
Better at controlling tempo
Better in the 4th
Very good defender in his earlier days and a good defender in late 2000s
Curry has been avg at best, was consistently attacked in some series
Kobe wasn't great in the Finals either, and I think Curry was probably better in the Finals than Kobe. I'll take a healthy peak Curry over peak Kobe, but yeah his Curry has had a relatively short prime, lets say it started in 2013-14, and he's missed a ton of games. Curry injuries and relative short prime for a superstar hurt his all-time placement, if not he'd easily be top 20 all-time, maybe top 15.
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by gomeziee on 21 Jul 2013 00:53
im 20, and i did grow up watching MJ play in the 90's.
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This question is disrespectful to Kobe.
1st team selections
All NBA
Kobe: 11
Curry: 3
All Defense
Kobe: 9
Curry: 0
Total 1st team selections:
Kobe: 20
Curry: 3
(This is a major difference. This isn't 20 to 16, this is 20 to 3)
Other notable points in favor of Kobe > Curry (as a career comparison)
Top 5 in MVP
Kobe: 11
Curry: 3
Top 3 in Pts/Season
Kobe: 9
Curry: 2
As a career comparison Kobe is leaps and bounds higher and Curry will never catch Kobe. Peak for Peak could be argued but not career. No way.
1st team selections
All NBA
Kobe: 11
Curry: 3
All Defense
Kobe: 9
Curry: 0
Total 1st team selections:
Kobe: 20
Curry: 3
(This is a major difference. This isn't 20 to 16, this is 20 to 3)
Other notable points in favor of Kobe > Curry (as a career comparison)
Top 5 in MVP
Kobe: 11
Curry: 3
Top 3 in Pts/Season
Kobe: 9
Curry: 2
As a career comparison Kobe is leaps and bounds higher and Curry will never catch Kobe. Peak for Peak could be argued but not career. No way.
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dautjazz wrote:nzahir wrote:dautjazz wrote:Never been a fan of Kobe, but its easily him. Curry definitely had a better peak though.
Kobe more reliable and consistent come playoff time
Better at controlling tempo
Better in the 4th
Very good defender in his earlier days and a good defender in late 2000s
Curry has been avg at best, was consistently attacked in some series
Kobe wasn't great in the Finals either, and I think Curry was probably better in the Finals than Kobe. I'll take a healthy peak Curry over peak Kobe, but yeah his Curry has had a relatively short prime, lets say it started in 2013-14, and he's missed a ton of games. Curry injuries and relative short prime for a superstar hurt his all-time placement, if not he'd easily be top 20 all-time, maybe top 15.
Yeah if you actually look at the numbers, curry had better playoffs and finals performances on avg. Even when he lost the 15 fmvp he was at 27 ppg and top 3 all time in 4th quarter scoring.
His only bad year was 2016.
Now curry had 2 years with durant but kobe also had 4 with shaq in the finals. Curry then had 3 with green and klay ( except his missed time 2019). While kobe had 2 with gasol + by um/odom. So I think talent level is sort of even.
Defensively im sure kobe had more impact, not sure about the advanced stats didn't look that up.
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Feel like this poll would be even more lopsided had it been created today now that Curry has been exposed for what he is.
Always rooted against Kobe, but I’ve always respected him and this question is disrespectful. Kobe and it’s not even close.
Always rooted against Kobe, but I’ve always respected him and this question is disrespectful. Kobe and it’s not even close.
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art_tatum wrote:dautjazz wrote:nzahir wrote:Kobe more reliable and consistent come playoff time
Better at controlling tempo
Better in the 4th
Very good defender in his earlier days and a good defender in late 2000s
Curry has been avg at best, was consistently attacked in some series
Kobe wasn't great in the Finals either, and I think Curry was probably better in the Finals than Kobe. I'll take a healthy peak Curry over peak Kobe, but yeah his Curry has had a relatively short prime, lets say it started in 2013-14, and he's missed a ton of games. Curry injuries and relative short prime for a superstar hurt his all-time placement, if not he'd easily be top 20 all-time, maybe top 15.
Yeah if you actually look at the numbers, curry had better playoffs and finals performances on avg. Even when he lost the 15 fmvp he was at 27 ppg and top 3 all time in 4th quarter scoring.
His only bad year was 2016.
Now curry had 2 years with durant but kobe also had 4 with shaq in the finals. Curry then had 3 with green and klay ( except his missed time 2019). While kobe had 2 with gasol + by um/odom. So I think talent level is sort of even.
Defensively im sure kobe had more impact, not sure about the advanced stats didn't look that up.
You cant just look at raw numbers, the pace in the early to late 2000s was much slower than todays
Numbers are inflated today with the higher pace and softer calls that heavily favor offenses
Kobe had Shaq, an MVP caliber guy like KD, but he didn't have 2 more all stars on top of good role guys
And in 2009 and 2010, his team, while one of the best at the time, didn't compare to what Curry had
Curry is getting really exposed and this year may really hurt his legacy
Curry has 0 fmvps and in 2015 they beat a destroyed Cavs team whose 2nd best player was likely Mozgov, and next 3 were JR, Delly, and TT, just think about that
If BKN does well this year, KD does great (seems to be fine), and GS suffers, this is an awful look for Curry
Curry is 33 in a few months, not like he has much more time and he keeps getting hurt
If he can't win a fmvp in his career, he will effectively have let KD basically cuck him since he begged for KD to come
Curry had his chance in 2016 and he blew it and in 2017/2018 they would have had a shot even w/o KD to win it all, but Curry was scared of Lebron
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Man I miss watching this guy work. He was just unreal
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Danny1616 wrote:iLLmatic860 wrote:Kobe played both ends and lroved he can win without Shaq
Steph hasnt proved he can win without Klay or Dray. Or even KD. They wouldve won vs Raps if they had KD
Also 2 finals mvps
Its mind boggling how some of you can choose Steph
He didn't prove he could win without Shaq. His team missed the playoffs in 2005, got knocked out in the 1st round in 2006 and 2007, and then needed to trade for a top 10 player in the NBA in Pau Gasol. If anything that proved he needed another superstar beside him to win, lol.
No player has proved they can win without another superstar alongside them, LMAO.
Bird never won without McHale, Parish and Denis Johnson.
Magic never won without Worthy (and Kareem early on).
Jordan never won without Pippen and Grant (and then Rodman).
Kobe never won without Shaq or Pau.
Lebron never won without Wade/Bosh or Irving/Love or Davis.
Shaq never won without Kobe or Wade.
Hakeem never won without Drexler.
Also it's quite strange you said Steph hasn't proved he couldn't win without KD when he literally did win without KD and led the Warriors to the finals in both 2016 and 2019 without KD.
You probably made the weirdest response I've ever seen on realgm.
Curry haters get more stupid by the day.
Drexler was there for 95 only
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dakomish23 wrote:Danny1616 wrote:iLLmatic860 wrote:Kobe played both ends and lroved he can win without Shaq
Steph hasnt proved he can win without Klay or Dray. Or even KD. They wouldve won vs Raps if they had KD
Also 2 finals mvps
Its mind boggling how some of you can choose Steph
He didn't prove he could win without Shaq. His team missed the playoffs in 2005, got knocked out in the 1st round in 2006 and 2007, and then needed to trade for a top 10 player in the NBA in Pau Gasol. If anything that proved he needed another superstar beside him to win, lol.
No player has proved they can win without another superstar alongside them, LMAO.
Bird never won without McHale, Parish and Denis Johnson.
Magic never won without Worthy (and Kareem early on).
Jordan never won without Pippen and Grant (and then Rodman).
Kobe never won without Shaq or Pau.
Lebron never won without Wade/Bosh or Irving/Love or Davis.
Shaq never won without Kobe or Wade.
Hakeem never won without Drexler.
Also it's quite strange you said Steph hasn't proved he couldn't win without KD when he literally did win without KD and led the Warriors to the finals in both 2016 and 2019 without KD.
You probably made the weirdest response I've ever seen on realgm.
Curry haters get more stupid by the day.
Drexler was there for 95 only
So Hakeem is the only exception out of any other top 10 player.
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Weird 2 players to compare ...put it like this if they were both 18 yo in the same draft i would take Kobe for the fact that he can gaurd more positions and score in a bigger variety of ways giving me more freedom to develop offensive and defensive schemes. However if you were GS and know what you know now i think they still draft him (specifically GSW with system/personell built for spacing )
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WTF is this??? Kobe is compared to Jordan, not Curry! Kobe is probably the most TALENTED and skillful player EVER... and you're comparing him with Steph? Kobe is a top 5-10 player ever and the greatest in Lakers history...i'm SHOCKED for this comparison seriously...
BTW I love Steph, i enjoy watching him play... but he is not on Kobe's level, even if he wins 5 rings.
BTW I love Steph, i enjoy watching him play... but he is not on Kobe's level, even if he wins 5 rings.
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Right now you have to go with Kobe, but don’t think Curry’s story is written yet. He may end up above Kobe in the end.




