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Post#821 » by TheNewEra » Wed Dec 23, 2020 4:58 pm

We need another guard in the worse way. Never want to see Reggie play again. PG13 should of just paid him to carry his bags and stay in La that way
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Post#822 » by clipsfever » Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:18 pm

Since it's past the magical "December 15th" date, can we already trade Pat Pat + Reggie + All-Powerful Ballmer Cash to some broke owner for their competent 3rd PG? (lol)

Small kudos to Pat Pat and Reggie in that PG signed that extension... but now, "be gone post haste".
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Post#823 » by clipperlover » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:09 pm

TheNewEra wrote:We need another guard in the worse way. Never want to see Reggie play again. PG13 should of just paid him to carry his bags and stay in La that way


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Post#824 » by TheNewEra » Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:40 pm

clipsfever wrote:Since it's past the magical "December 15th" date, can we already trade Pat Pat + Reggie + All-Powerful Ballmer Cash to some broke owner for their competent 3rd PG? (lol)

Small kudos to Pat Pat and Reggie in that PG signed that extension... but now, "be gone post haste".


Think PG13 would want to keep them around since they are his friends but we can’t afford to keep them around. Patterson maybe a end of bench guy but Reggie is just eating a roster spot
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Post#825 » by TrueLAfan » Thu Dec 24, 2020 6:51 pm

I just don’t get the Reggie hate. If you want/need him to be your #3 guard, or start on a semi-regular basis, that’s not good. But as #5 guard or even #4 guard on a roster—he’s a solid addition to any good team. Look, Reggie isn’t efficient, but he can create his own shot, score, can run the offense when necessary, and is cheap. He had a good series against the Mavs in the playoffs. He had a plus on/opff both regular season and playoffs. I don’t want him playing anything near starter’s minutes, but as a #4 / #5 guard behind Pat Bev, Kennard, Lou (or whoever we get to replace Lou) and, technically, the combo of Batum and PG (both of whom play some at SG), he’s fine. Actually, for a minimum contract, he’s a lot better than fine.

And, btw … I’m looking at Memphis with Ja Morant and Dillon Brooks and Grayson Allen and thinking they’ve got De’Anthony Melton and Tyus Jones making around $8-9 million and, really, they only need one of those guys who just happened to be paid the same as Lou … and thinking that Lou and Kabengele or Oturu (same kinda thing … we don’t really need both) for either Melton or Jones would be a very good deal for us.
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Post#826 » by MartinToVaught » Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:35 pm

The Reggie "hate" makes plenty of sense. His shot selection is atrocious and he provides nothing else on the court when he's bricking. He's the type of player who should have a very short leash and probably shouldn't be on the roster at all.
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Post#827 » by TrueLAfan » Fri Dec 25, 2020 2:20 am

Come on, man. He’s a #4 rotation guard. Below average defender and he doesn’t get to the line—and I agree his shot selection is imperfect. But I don’t want to overstate the obvious—Reggie Jackson played well for us last year. His numbers were good. We were a net plus when he was on the floor. He can slot into different roles and patch things over in a pinch; that’s what you want out of a #4/#5 rotation guard. I’d love to have a better player slot in—but he’s a good option as the last/next to last guard on any roster.
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Post#828 » by esqtvd » Fri Dec 25, 2020 8:35 am

TrueLAfan wrote:I just don’t get the Reggie hate. If you want/need him to be your #3 guard, or start on a semi-regular basis, that’s not good. But as #5 guard or even #4 guard on a roster—he’s a solid addition to any good team.


Dude, you have to understand the vulture mentality. Carrion feeders on the dead. They stand for nothing, defend nobody. Reggie is our 12th man and did nothing in his 3 minutes of play so the vultures swoop in to feed.
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Post#829 » by MartinToVaught » Fri Dec 25, 2020 2:48 pm

esqtvd wrote:Dude, you have to understand the vulture mentality.

You would know, seeing as how you're rooting for the team to fail and Kawhi to leave.
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Post#830 » by TheNewEra » Sun Dec 27, 2020 3:16 pm

TrueLAfan wrote:Come on, man. He’s a #4 rotation guard. Below average defender and he doesn’t get to the line—and I agree his shot selection is imperfect. But I don’t want to overstate the obvious—Reggie Jackson played well for us last year. His numbers were good. We were a net plus when he was on the floor. He can slot into different roles and patch things over in a pinch; that’s what you want out of a #4/#5 rotation guard. I’d love to have a better player slot in—but he’s a good option as the last/next to last guard on any roster.



With Bev’s injury and foul history he’s going to play more than a standard end of the bench player. He can’t slot into different roles and that’s the problem because he can’t start with his ball control and his defense makes a already weak perimeter defenders worse. He’s a terrible fit for this team and especially since you need Kennard to become more assertive with the ball.

When you have to worry about his minutes night to night you are better off with a free roster spot or non guaranteed deal you can easily cut later
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Post#831 » by TheNewEra » Sun Dec 27, 2020 3:28 pm

TrueLAfan wrote:I just don’t get the Reggie hate. If you want/need him to be your #3 guard, or start on a semi-regular basis, that’s not good. But as #5 guard or even #4 guard on a roster—he’s a solid addition to any good team. Look, Reggie isn’t efficient, but he can create his own shot, score, can run the offense when necessary, and is cheap. He had a good series against the Mavs in the playoffs. He had a plus on/opff both regular season and playoffs. I don’t want him playing anything near starter’s minutes, but as a #4 / #5 guard behind Pat Bev, Kennard, Lou (or whoever we get to replace Lou) and, technically, the combo of Batum and PG (both of whom play some at SG), he’s fine. Actually, for a minimum contract, he’s a lot better than fine.

And, btw … I’m looking at Memphis with Ja Morant and Dillon Brooks and Grayson Allen and thinking they’ve got De’Anthony Melton and Tyus Jones making around $8-9 million and, really, they only need one of those guys who just happened to be paid the same as Lou … and thinking that Lou and Kabengele or Oturu (same kinda thing … we don’t really need both) for either Melton or Jones would be a very good deal for us.


Reggie has shown no ability to create for himself consistently on this team. Anytime he dribbles is a high chance of a turnover or difficult shot.

Kabengele has the ability to play the 4 or 5 and Oturu has high raw potential as a multi use stretch 5. With all these guys locked in long term we kind of need the cheap depth with no telling what Ibaka does after the year and Patterson a fossil
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Post#832 » by og15 » Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:16 pm

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TrueLAfan wrote:I just don’t get the Reggie hate. If you want/need him to be your #3 guard, or start on a semi-regular basis, that’s not good. But as #5 guard or even #4 guard on a roster—he’s a solid addition to any good team. Look, Reggie isn’t efficient, but he can create his own shot, score, can run the offense when necessary, and is cheap. He had a good series against the Mavs in the playoffs. He had a plus on/opff both regular season and playoffs. I don’t want him playing anything near starter’s minutes, but as a #4 / #5 guard behind Pat Bev, Kennard, Lou (or whoever we get to replace Lou) and, technically, the combo of Batum and PG (both of whom play some at SG), he’s fine. Actually, for a minimum contract, he’s a lot better than fine.

And, btw … I’m looking at Memphis with Ja Morant and Dillon Brooks and Grayson Allen and thinking they’ve got De’Anthony Melton and Tyus Jones making around $8-9 million and, really, they only need one of those guys who just happened to be paid the same as Lou … and thinking that Lou and Kabengele or Oturu (same kinda thing … we don’t really need both) for either Melton or Jones would be a very good deal for us.


Reggie has shown no ability to create for himself consistently on this team. Anytime he dribbles is a high chance of a turnover or difficult shot.

Kabengele has the ability to play the 4 or 5 and Oturu has high raw potential as a multi use stretch 5. With all these guys locked in long term we kind of need the cheap depth with no telling what Ibaka does after the year and Patterson a fossil
Reggie is the low hanging fruit, every team has to have a player like that who is always easy to criticize.

Reggie’s mistakes seem to get magnified and become confirmation bias of him being terrible. I can’t conclude that most are being objective about him. Reggie played 170 playoff minutes last season and had 5 total turnovers. He shot 44/53 and had a TS% of 61.5%, all that is excellent from a 14 mpg player when we’re talking about offensive production. People are blaming Reggie for things like him being on the floor in crunch time or being put in poor positions defensively that aren’t his fault.

His mistakes offensively because they are sloppy also seem to be magnified to seem like they are constant, but he has not been wildly turnover prone as a Clipper, he isn’t young Eric Bledsoe out there or something.

Last season in 17 games as a Clipper, he averaged 9.5 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.6 tpg. Per 36 he had 5.4 assists to 2.8 turnovers, not anything specifically impressive, but not tragic, basically the same ast/to as Lou (5.6 ast / 2.8 turnovers). He had a 58.7 TS% last season. This season he’s shooting awful, but it’s 2 games and 16 minutes, so means nothing, and he has 0 turnovers.

My suggestion is that people view him with a blank slate and without pre-conceived biases, and there would be a lot less concern about him. Here’s the reality, the Clipper were not losing games last season because of what Reggie did or didn’t do, he was not a negative presence on the floor, and he was actually overall an efficient player for the Clippers in his limited games. Now, those were limited games, but if he’s able to produce like that in his role on the Clippers, it’s actually very solid.
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Post#833 » by TheNewEra » Sun Dec 27, 2020 7:00 pm

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TrueLAfan wrote:I just don’t get the Reggie hate. If you want/need him to be your #3 guard, or start on a semi-regular basis, that’s not good. But as #5 guard or even #4 guard on a roster—he’s a solid addition to any good team. Look, Reggie isn’t efficient, but he can create his own shot, score, can run the offense when necessary, and is cheap. He had a good series against the Mavs in the playoffs. He had a plus on/opff both regular season and playoffs. I don’t want him playing anything near starter’s minutes, but as a #4 / #5 guard behind Pat Bev, Kennard, Lou (or whoever we get to replace Lou) and, technically, the combo of Batum and PG (both of whom play some at SG), he’s fine. Actually, for a minimum contract, he’s a lot better than fine.

And, btw … I’m looking at Memphis with Ja Morant and Dillon Brooks and Grayson Allen and thinking they’ve got De’Anthony Melton and Tyus Jones making around $8-9 million and, really, they only need one of those guys who just happened to be paid the same as Lou … and thinking that Lou and Kabengele or Oturu (same kinda thing … we don’t really need both) for either Melton or Jones would be a very good deal for us.


Reggie has shown no ability to create for himself consistently on this team. Anytime he dribbles is a high chance of a turnover or difficult shot.

Kabengele has the ability to play the 4 or 5 and Oturu has high raw potential as a multi use stretch 5. With all these guys locked in long term we kind of need the cheap depth with no telling what Ibaka does after the year and Patterson a fossil
Reggie is the low hanging fruit, every team has to have a player like that who is always easy to criticize.

Reggie’s mistakes seem to get magnified and become confirmation bias of him being terrible. I can’t conclude that most are being objective about him. Reggie played 170 playoff minutes last season and had 5 total turnovers. He shot 44/53 and had a TS% of 61.5%, all that is excellent from a 14 mpg player when we’re talking about offensive production. People are blaming Reggie for things like him being on the floor in crunch time or being put in poor positions defensively that aren’t his fault.

His mistakes offensively because they are sloppy also seem to be magnified to seem like they are constant, but he has not been wildly turnover prone as a Clipper, he isn’t young Eric Bledsoe out there or something.

Last season in 17 games as a Clipper, he averaged 9.5 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.6 tpg. Per 36 he had 5.4 assists to 2.8 turnovers, not anything specifically impressive, but not tragic, basically the same ast/to as Lou (5.6 ast / 2.8 turnovers). He had a 58.7 TS% last season. This season he’s shooting awful, but it’s 2 games and 16 minutes, so means nothing, and he has 0 turnovers.

My suggestion is that people view him with a blank slate and without pre-conceived biases, and there would be a lot less concern about him. Here’s the reality, the Clipper were not loosing games last season because of what Reggie did or didn’t do, he was not a negative presence on the floor, and he was actually overall an efficient player for the Clippers in his limited games. Now, those were limited games, but if he’s able to produce like that in his role on the Clippers, it’s actually very solid.


Not easy to criticize it’s difficult to watch. Reggie has terrible floor awareness on both and if he simplified his game he could be far more productive as a player. This far into his career it’s not very likely any that happens and from the first two games his poor habits have shown because his mistakes are the same unnecessary ones with little self control.


You bringing up playoff numbers can show how numbers can be out of context. With all of that good shooting from Reggie he was a terrible fit at everything else and the time we needed him to step up with Beverly out he failed miserably as the starting PG. For a team that’s weakest at the PG spot and highly vulnerable to having it’s only capable PG taken out of games or not involved at all.

How is being terrible defensively not his fault? Doc put him in one bad position but Reggie wasn’t some lockdown guy and his play on both ends started to slip after a hot start. Which brings me to the next point about Reggie

He’s a terrible fit for a team that already has two terrible defenders on Kennard and Williams. This part solely on Reggie but it’s on Reggie for being the weakest talent of the three. Why in the hell would you sign a suspect defender when you are already trying to hide 2 already and don’t have another guard that can cover depth wise?

You guys keep putting Reggie in these small minutes scenarios when he can easily be forced into consistent minutes based on the construction of the team and habits of other players

New season I hope he gets better but it has not been a great start

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