Trade Discussion 22/23

[Mr B]

I think Kleber could be had in a trade if it meant getting back a player that’s at least as good as him. I honestly can’t think of any player the Bucks could give up for Maxi (that they’d be willing to give up). For example I’d take Middleton for Kleber but the Bucks wouldn’t do that.


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Any interest in a swap for Brook? I think Brook is slightly better but we need a more mobile stretch-5 and can afford to downgrade in rim protection.

I doubt the Mavs would do that. Kleber is 4 years younger, so better fit with Luka/KP timeline. He also shoot the 3 a little better and is really more of a PF, who can even defend wings a bit. Which is a better fit since KP seems to be better at C.

No offense to Brook, who is a fine player, but Kleber seems to fit the other Mavs players better.

I agree with that. Kleber is a better fit. I mean Lopez can play but factoring in age and style of play Kleber fits the Mavs better.


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[Mike lorenzo]

Any interest in a swap for Brook? I think Brook is slightly better but we need a more mobile stretch-5 and can afford to downgrade in rim protection.

I doubt the Mavs would do that. Kleber is 4 years younger, so better fit with Luka/KP timeline. He also shoot the 3 a little better and is really more of a PF, who can even defend wings a bit. Which is a better fit since KP seems to be better at C.

No offense to Brook, who is a fine player, but Kleber seems to fit the other Mavs players better.

I agree with that. Kleber is a better fit. I mean Lopez can play but factoring in age and style of play Kleber fits the Mavs better.


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Brook is a much better player..I like Maxi, but he's a backup .. Lopez would start with us, his rim defense is elite ... Kleber has some very valuable skills ... but limited. I think we have other needs, that a great man ... Conley would be available ... a veteran floor general ... would be very useful

[Mr B]

I doubt the Mavs would do that. Kleber is 4 years younger, so better fit with Luka/KP timeline. He also shoot the 3 a little better and is really more of a PF, who can even defend wings a bit. Which is a better fit since KP seems to be better at C.

No offense to Brook, who is a fine player, but Kleber seems to fit the other Mavs players better.

I agree with that. Kleber is a better fit. I mean Lopez can play but factoring in age and style of play Kleber fits the Mavs better.


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Brook is a much better player..I like Maxi, but he's a backup .. Lopez would start with us, his rim defense is elite ... Kleber has some very valuable skills ... but limited. I think we have other needs, that a great man ... Conley would be available ... a veteran floor general ... would be very useful

I don’t think Brook would fit next to KP. Both are 5’s. Kleber true is not the same level of talent as Lopez but he’s still a better fit on the Mavs.


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[Apz]

Agree. Brook wouldnt start over KP. Anf I think kleber brings a lot mire to mavs thrn brook. Better shooting and can defend pretty much everything except the fastest pgs. And is like a universal wrench Can play 5, can play 4 and if needed he wouldnt suck at 3. And locked into a bargain contract for what he brings

[giannis and 1]

I agree with that. Kleber is a better fit. I mean Lopez can play but factoring in age and style of play Kleber fits the Mavs better.


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Brook is a much better player..I like Maxi, but he's a backup .. Lopez would start with us, his rim defense is elite ... Kleber has some very valuable skills ... but limited. I think we have other needs, that a great man ... Conley would be available ... a veteran floor general ... would be very useful

I don’t think Brook would fit next to KP. Both are 5’s. Kleber true is not the same level of talent as Lopez but he’s still a better fit on the Mavs.


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I actually think he would fit well next to Porzingis, with Porzingis playing the 4. Brook is excellent at boxing out which would allow Porzingis to get more rebounds and then get the ball to Doncic or another guard to start the fast break.

That being said, I don't think brook is "much better". He's obviously a better rim protector but he get's abused on switches. Also a little worse at shooting. I can understand why this wouldn't work for the Mavs if they think his rim protection doesn't make up for the difference in other attributes along with age/contract.

[Apz]

I dont know, is brook even a better rimprotector? Which also would bd an issue since that what kp do on defense.
I dont think we will ever see JP at the 4 again, he just is so much better fit at 5

[arkuo]

Brook is a much better player..I like Maxi, but he's a backup .. Lopez would start with us, his rim defense is elite ... Kleber has some very valuable skills ... but limited. I think we have other needs, that a great man ... Conley would be available ... a veteran floor general ... would be very useful

I don’t think Brook would fit next to KP. Both are 5’s. Kleber true is not the same level of talent as Lopez but he’s still a better fit on the Mavs.


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I actually think he would fit well next to Porzingis, with Porzingis playing the 4. Brook is excellent at boxing out which would allow Porzingis to get more rebounds and then get the ball to Doncic or another guard to start the fast break.

That being said, I don't think brook is "much better". He's obviously a better rim protector but he get's abused on switches. Also a little worse at shooting. I can understand why this wouldn't work for the Mavs if they think his rim protection doesn't make up for the difference in other attributes along with age/contract.

You just need to watch the final play of the DAL vs PHX game to see what the guys mean by fit. the NBA game is mostly pick and roll today. And when you have KP or Lopez switch on guards or smaller players on D, you're essentially better off just standing up and doing nothing. Kleber can guard small forwards like what he did with Kawhi or PG during the last playoff series. So yesterday he was able to hang with Devin Booker without getting blown by or crossed over.

In essence what im saying is a Kleber fits if you have a Porzingis at C. A Lopez fits when you have a Giannis at PF.

[giannis and 1]

I don’t think Brook would fit next to KP. Both are 5’s. Kleber true is not the same level of talent as Lopez but he’s still a better fit on the Mavs.


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I actually think he would fit well next to Porzingis, with Porzingis playing the 4. Brook is excellent at boxing out which would allow Porzingis to get more rebounds and then get the ball to Doncic or another guard to start the fast break.

That being said, I don't think brook is "much better". He's obviously a better rim protector but he get's abused on switches. Also a little worse at shooting. I can understand why this wouldn't work for the Mavs if they think his rim protection doesn't make up for the difference in other attributes along with age/contract.

You just need to watch the final play of the DAL vs PHX game to see what the guys mean by fit. the NBA game is mostly pick and roll today. And when you have KP or Lopez switch on guards or smaller players on D, you're essentially better off just standing up and doing nothing. Kleber can guard small forwards like what he did with Kawhi or PG during the last playoff series. So yesterday he was able to hang with Devin Booker without getting blown by or crossed over.

In essence what im saying is a Kleber fits if you have a Porzingis at C. A Lopez fits when you have a Giannis at PF.

I wasn't aware of Kleber's defensive versatility; I just assumed he was average for a big at guarding other positions (but obviously still better than Lopez at it). Based on what you are saying, he is probably a better player than Brook, all things considered - even before going into contract/age.

[arkuo]

I'd think about signing Demar Derozan before I put out an offer sheet for THJ in the summer.

Would also be interesting to get Lamarcus Aldridge. 35 years old but would box out all the big men in our current team right now. Would probably put out a better show versus the Lakers today.

[arkuo]

Terry Rozier straight up for THJ? Who says no?

Rozier is interesting. He slots right in as an off ball guard next to Luka. Plays defense and is a punk to boot. Plus he is also another expiring contract for 2022. Works for THJ straight up.


C- Porzingis / WCS / Powell
PF- Johnson / Kleber
SF- Richardson / DFS
SG- Rozier / Green / Terry
PG- Doncic / Burke / Brunson

If no names interest them this summer, you can always let Rozier walk and try signing someone in 2022. Aaron Gordon, Robert Covington and Bradley Beal are all UFA.

[ejs78]

The team needs 3 things and when they make a trade(s) they need to try to get 2 back.


1. They need another big. Sorry Powell, Kleber, Boban, and WCS can't compete vs the elite bigs in the west. KP needs help and its doesn't have to be a big name. Maybe a Nance, Gordon, Turner.

2. Need another scorer. Lavine would be the best target I can think of. Again need insurance for KP. Don't know if Olidipo is enough of a scorer.

3. Another ball handler. This is the least important to me as Brunson could prove me wrong. Satoransky or even a Ish Smith.

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[Mr B]

I think the Mavs need an elite shooter at the wing position. Personally I’d make a play for Evan Fournier in the off season.


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[ejs78]

People want suggest the big is dead when its not especially in the west.

Ayton
KAT
Jokic
Nurkic
Adams
AD
Valanciunas
Wiseman
Gobert
Wood

Now is Drummond a great defender no but he's an elite rebounder and would probably match up better than KP on some of these guys. Not saying hes the answer but again Powell, WCS, Kleber, and Boban aren't enough help for KP and obviously do virtually no good when KP is out

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[dirkforpres]

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Depending on the cost, absolutely. Powell sucks and KP has to rest a lot.

[arkuo]

I think the Mavs need an elite shooter at the wing position. Personally I’d make a play for Evan Fournier in the off season.


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Duncan Robinson is also available. Won't come cheap though

[dakomish23]

Huge questions marks with Oladipo. There's no good reason to trade for him.
- He plays like suck these days. He will make your team worse. There's no value now in having him.
- Indy's asking price is as if he is playing like an All-Star. There's no "buy low" opportunity, just in case he becomes good again.
- His injury was extreme. It's not the sort where a player will be just as good afterwards. He's showing that.
- His run as a good player was very short. He might have just had a career year that will never happen again. So far it seems so.
- And he expects a max contract next summer. There's no potential bargain later. Good chance he leaves whatever team has him.

I wouldn't do THJ for Oladipo today. The downside is too high and any upside is too uncertain.

Havent watched indys preseason games but from what I hear he seems pretty useless. Wouldnt give thj straight up atm

Oladipo to start the season

22 pts 4 rebs 4 asts 1 stl
9-14 FG 2-5 3PT 1-1 FT

22 pts 7 rebs 1 ast 2 stls
8-12 FG 5-5 3PT 1-1 FT

[Heezzi]

The team needs 3 things and when they make a trade(s) they need to try to get 2 back.


1. They need another big. Sorry Powell, Kleber, Boban, and WCS can't compete vs the elite bigs in the west. KP needs help and its doesn't have to be a big name. Maybe a Nance, Gordon, Turner.

2. Need another scorer. Lavine would be the best target I can think of. Again need insurance for KP. Don't know if Olidipo is enough of a scorer.

3. Another ball handler. This is the least important to me as Brunson could prove me wrong. Satoransky or even a Ish Smith.

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1. True.
2. Oladipo wouldn't space the floor enough. They nee a scorer who can score consistently from 3.
3. True. Luka can't play the Lebron Cav's role without Lebron's conditioning. Brunson is not the guy. He's a SG in a point guard body. He only looks for his shot before everyone else.

[Teffer10]

People want suggest the big is dead when its not especially in the west.

Ayton
KAT
Jokic
Nurkic
Adams
AD
Valanciunas
Wiseman
Gobert
Wood

Now is Drummond a great defender no but he's an elite rebounder and would probably match up better than KP on some of these guys. Not saying hes the answer but again Powell, WCS, Kleber, and Boban aren't enough help for KP and obviously do virtually no good when KP is out

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I'd like to get him but would Rick play him?
Him, WCS and Boban would become best friends spending so much time at the end of the bench together.

Was never a big fan of Drummond but after watching this team get clobbered on the boards (53-27) and get outscored 35-0 in second chance points, we desperately need a rebounder and some presence in the middle.

[jpengland]

People want suggest the big is dead when its not especially in the west.

Ayton
KAT
Jokic
Nurkic
Adams
AD
Valanciunas
Wiseman
Gobert
Wood

Now is Drummond a great defender no but he's an elite rebounder and would probably match up better than KP on some of these guys. Not saying hes the answer but again Powell, WCS, Kleber, and Boban aren't enough help for KP and obviously do virtually no good when KP is out

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Nearly alll of those guys listed are elite rim protectors or damn good from deep.

Drummond doesn't stretch the floor and doesn't protect the rim. You also couldn't play him alongside KP for a single minute without being abused from deep.

He's the worst possible fit for this roster.