Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15

[MaKiaVeLi7]

For start, you failed at first grade math, if over 420 shots he took were with 0 -1 dribble, it makes 50% of all his shots takend with 0-1 dribble, witch means he never had chance to take "500 out of 800 + shots" because he only took 846, and 420 were - with, at most single dribble

Second, every time i hear somebody calling out for eye test, it simply means he lacks any tengable proof to confirm his claims.

You claimed that Ross "had to face two defenders in iso situations" so i went back to check, how many iso plays, Terrence Ross, over span of one year actually had, that ended with him shooting.
And... wait for it....

waaaiiiiit for it.

21 total.

So iso SHOT ATTEMPS made grand total of epic 2,48% of ALL SHOTS HE TOOK.


As i've said, your claim, has no ground in reality, matter of fact it just proves that "eye test " is as usless as submarine with screen doors.

I think no one can help you, Pepe. You are in love with interpreting empty and misleading (sometimes useless) statistics and use them as a tool to convince and talk people into believing something wrong.

You were the "jumping to conclusions" unhappy person who 'preached' that Cole would be a bust ... and the next failed Magic pick ... and an "ineffective chucker" ... and "bad playmaker" ... and "turnover machine" ... and so on and on.

Comming off person who made full real gm page based on 3 games sample size, gizzing over rookie, it's actually compliment

I'm not "in love " with stats, people like you simply can't understand what statistic for basketball even means. It literally just measuring things in numberic system that occured on the floor.
Every single nba team is having deep analytic department- because it's important and because- it works.

I'm very far from unhappy person, but you don't know anything about me, and you can't prove anything you post, so you have to go into this personal jabs at me to prove anything i wrote - wrong. Witch, actually tells me a lot about you.

But even by reading your comments- 30 something years old, eastern europe, guy, living with his parents, used to think you are cool because you had 2pac shirt in 2000 when everybody was into 50 cent ,you were "edgy " kid.

It's funny how you manage to leave me SPEECHLESS and with a lot to say in the same time (but manors, come on, you can't say that). I won't!

I'm respectfully asking you: just keep misinterpreting stats and don't bother me, it's a waste of my time. Many people around here know it, I'm the last guy to find it out, won't be the last though.

Just do your "stats juggling thing" and manipulate someone else, if you please!

[pepe1991]

I think no one can help you, Pepe. You are in love with interpreting empty and misleading (sometimes useless) statistics and use them as a tool to convince and talk people into believing something wrong.

You were the "jumping to conclusions" unhappy person who 'preached' that Cole would be a bust ... and the next failed Magic pick ... and an "ineffective chucker" ... and "bad playmaker" ... and "turnover machine" ... and so on and on.

Comming off person who made full real gm page based on 3 games sample size, gizzing over rookie, it's actually compliment

I'm not "in love " with stats, people like you simply can't understand what statistic for basketball even means. It literally just measuring things in numberic system that occured on the floor.
Every single nba team is having deep analytic department- because it's important and because- it works.

I'm very far from unhappy person, but you don't know anything about me, and you can't prove anything you post, so you have to go into this personal jabs at me to prove anything i wrote - wrong. Witch, actually tells me a lot about you.

But even by reading your comments- 30 something years old, eastern europe, guy, living with his parents, used to think you are cool because you had 2pac shirt in 2000 when everybody was into 50 cent ,you were "edgy " kid.

It's funny how you manage to leave me SPEECHLESS and with a lot to say (but manors, come on, you can't say that). I won't.

I'm respectfully asking you: just keep misinterpreting stats and don't bother me, it's a waste of time. Many people around here know it, I'm the last guy to find it out, won't be the last. Just do your thing and manipulate someone else, if you please!

Presented with evidence against you, you have nothing to add to support you claims so you backtrack conversation into " you never played basketball ", " eye test" , " i used to play as pro" , " i used to be elite project but knee injury", " are some of oldest, most boring internet gimmick ever. Equivialent of " my daddy is stronger than yours".

Now all of the sudden you are "respectful" poster, aren't you ? Page ago you were driving 3 games sample size victory lap how " you proved all "negative" posts about him wrong" ? Where that version of Makvaeli7 went?

Where is poster who, 35 min ago, claimed that Ross was forced into isolations against 2 defenders ? (Once again, being proven wrong on spot )


Yea i'm such a master of manipulation.... Who uses.. words people said, or in your case- claimed as buletproof- facts and challenge them. Issue is, some people actually can prove what they claim, others, like you today, actually -can't.

You can enjoy your 48,8% TS / 9 ppg, 3 games sample size Pyrrhic victory as much as you can, i don't care. But i have every right to reply, corret and challenge what you, or anybody else posted. LIke everybody else has chance to challenge my words.

Oh and "sorry" i kept " misinterpreting stats" and bothered you. Don't ever let something as usless as facts stand in front of your feeelings

[Ducklett]

Comming off person who made full real gm page based on 3 games sample size, gizzing over rookie, it's actually compliment

I'm not "in love " with stats, people like you simply can't understand what statistic for basketball even means. It literally just measuring things in numberic system that occured on the floor.
Every single nba team is having deep analytic department- because it's important and because- it works.

I'm very far from unhappy person, but you don't know anything about me, and you can't prove anything you post, so you have to go into this personal jabs at me to prove anything i wrote - wrong. Witch, actually tells me a lot about you.

But even by reading your comments- 30 something years old, eastern europe, guy, living with his parents, used to think you are cool because you had 2pac shirt in 2000 when everybody was into 50 cent ,you were "edgy " kid.

It's funny how you manage to leave me SPEECHLESS and with a lot to say (but manors, come on, you can't say that). I won't.

I'm respectfully asking you: just keep misinterpreting stats and don't bother me, it's a waste of time. Many people around here know it, I'm the last guy to find it out, won't be the last. Just do your thing and manipulate someone else, if you please!

Presented with evidence against you, you have nothing to add to support you claims so you backtrack conversation into " you never played basketball ", " eye test" , " i used to play as pro" , " i used to be elite project but knee injury", " are some of oldest, most boring internet gimmick ever. Equivialent of " my daddy is stronger than yours".

Now all of the sudden you are "respectful" poster, aren't you ? Page ago you were driving 3 games sample size victory lap how " you proved all "negative" posts about him wrong" ? Where that version of Makvaeli7 went?

Where is poster who, 35 min ago, claimed that Ross was forced into isolations against 2 defenders ? (Once again, being proven wrong on spot )


Yea i'm such a master of manipulation.... Who uses.. words people said, or in your case- claimed as buletproof- facts and challenge them. Issue is, some people actually can prove what they claim, others, like you today, actually -can't.

You can enjoy your 48,8% TS / 9 ppg, 3 games sample size Pyrrhic victory as much as you can, i don't care. But i have every right to reply, corret and challenge what you, or anybody else posted. LIke everybody else has chance to challenge my words.

Oh and "sorry" i kept " misinterpreting stats" and bothered you. Don't ever let something as usless as facts stand in front of your feeelings

Im not saying you are right or wrong on Cole, Pepe, but I am curious what you would need to see out of him in 40 games to say "This was not a bad pick".

[pepe1991]

It's funny how you manage to leave me SPEECHLESS and with a lot to say (but manors, come on, you can't say that). I won't.

I'm respectfully asking you: just keep misinterpreting stats and don't bother me, it's a waste of time. Many people around here know it, I'm the last guy to find it out, won't be the last. Just do your thing and manipulate someone else, if you please!

Presented with evidence against you, you have nothing to add to support you claims so you backtrack conversation into " you never played basketball ", " eye test" , " i used to play as pro" , " i used to be elite project but knee injury", " are some of oldest, most boring internet gimmick ever. Equivialent of " my daddy is stronger than yours".

Now all of the sudden you are "respectful" poster, aren't you ? Page ago you were driving 3 games sample size victory lap how " you proved all "negative" posts about him wrong" ? Where that version of Makvaeli7 went?

Where is poster who, 35 min ago, claimed that Ross was forced into isolations against 2 defenders ? (Once again, being proven wrong on spot )


Yea i'm such a master of manipulation.... Who uses.. words people said, or in your case- claimed as buletproof- facts and challenge them. Issue is, some people actually can prove what they claim, others, like you today, actually -can't.

You can enjoy your 48,8% TS / 9 ppg, 3 games sample size Pyrrhic victory as much as you can, i don't care. But i have every right to reply, corret and challenge what you, or anybody else posted. LIke everybody else has chance to challenge my words.

Oh and "sorry" i kept " misinterpreting stats" and bothered you. Don't ever let something as usless as facts stand in front of your feeelings

Im not saying you are right or wrong on Cole, Pepe, but I am curious what you would need to see out of him in 40 games to say "This was not a bad pick".

I really went off on this poster because i hate arrogance that is based on ignorance, ultra small sample size ( 3 games, 2 opponents) and now he is out here telling us how stupid we are and how he was right.

As far as Cole goes, from preseason until today, i made 0 comments about him and Okeke, nor i have any interest in making them until we have at least 20-ish games to talk about and data gets some noticable sample size.

To me, sucessful year for him would be not tanking defense ( so far so good), making open shots ( so far so bad), making right basketball plays ( so far -ok ) and not being trigger happy chucker ( so far mixed results).

So looking at some 8 points, 4 assists, 35% three thrashold for average backup rookie ? Is that fair? I don't know.

Most important part for Magic will be their adjustments when Ross and Evan actually - miss their shots.

It's also interesting to see where will Bamba land in rotation.

[basketballRob]

I feel like Cole hasn't had many open looks so far. All his 3 pt shots looked to be mostly guarded. His stats will look better when we play teams that are tanking.

Sent from my SM-G950U using RealGM mobile app

[yoyojw17]

Just to remind some people:
Cole averaged a freakin' tripple-double for the season in high school from the PG spot.

Not many people can brag about such a tremendous achievement, not even close.
Now we see his relentless rebounding and willingness to find the best pass or assist.

At OAKHILL ACADEMY which has been a farm for future NBA players from the NY area. His situation became our blessing. When i saw him on the board when we were choosing.... i clasped my hand and prayed we would take him. lol

[Knightro]

Just to remind some people:
Cole averaged a freakin' tripple-double for the season in high school from the PG spot.

Not many people can brag about such a tremendous achievement, not even close.
Now we see his relentless rebounding and willingness to find the best pass or assist.

For what it’s worth, there are strong rumors out there that this isn’t actually true and that Oak Hill Academy significantly fudged Anthony’s stats his senior year of high school so he could be the “first” player in school history to accomplish the feat.

[pepe1991]

Highschool... Oh my Lord. How about kidnergarten competition? He was first to say he needs to poop?

It's such an usless competition that if you use google and use little bit of adjustments to set 1995-2016 - or so search,amount of "basketball sensations that will take over" becomes mindblowing.

Let's start with Mac McClung. 64 points game in highshool. Went to Texas tech, good scorer, probably will never log single min in nba.

Hary Giles. Fringe nba player.

Josh Jackson- is he out of nba already?

TJ Leaf ( 5 star recruit ) out of any serious rotation.

Marques Bolden- never played in nba as far as i know

Rawle Alkins- from top 20 recruit , top 5 SF, in 2016, to undrafted in 2018, to playing in Portugal. Well that went just like he hoped.

I think you can write phone-book thick book from Cliff Alexander and his highschool achivments. His nba career, however, lasted, for 1 year.

[yoyojw17]

Just to remind some people:
Cole averaged a freakin' tripple-double for the season in high school from the PG spot.

Not many people can brag about such a tremendous achievement, not even close.
Now we see his relentless rebounding and willingness to find the best pass or assist.

For what it’s worth, there are strong rumors out there that this isn’t actually true and that Oak Hill Academy significantly fudged Anthony’s stats his senior year of high school so he could be the “first” player in school history to accomplish the feat.

Heard the rumor too.... but... even if he didn't but was close enough... I'm still impressed. lol

[Knightro]

Again, I'm not trying to be overly harsh on Anthony, but look at this play and tell me what was skillful about it from Anthony's perspective?

This is entirely on the ability of Ross and to a much lesser extent Birch. Ross works his way open with off ball movement. Ross gets an extra bit of a space with a fake and the threat of another Birch screen. Ross makes a contested 3.

Anthony is standing still 40 feet from the basket, makes one pass that isn't in the shooting pocket as Ross decided to reverse pivot on the catch, but still gets credit for the assist when Ross does all the work on the play.

[KillMonger]

Again, I'm not trying to be overly harsh on Anthony, but look at this play and tell me what was skillful about it from Anthony's perspective?

This is entirely on the ability of Ross and to a much lesser extent Birch. Ross works his way open with off ball movement. Ross gets an extra bit of a space with a fake and the threat of another Birch screen. Ross makes a contested 3.

Anthony is standing still 40 feet from the basket, makes one pass that isn't in the shooting pocket as Ross decided to reverse pivot on the catch, but still gets credit for the assist when Ross does all the work on the play.

welcome to stat keeping in the nba

[PrimeThyme]

Through the preseason and 3 games, I have to say he's exceeded my expectations. He's a lot more comfortable and less erratic than I was expecting. He's surely done enough to stay firmly in this rotation imo.

I still just don't love his shot selection. It's not even that he's forcing contested shots, it's just the sort of shots that he's taking. Those long two's off the dribble just don't do much for me && if he's going to keep consistently taking them he's going to have to start hitting them at a more consistent clip. He's shooting .20% from 16 feet to 3pt range right now.

His energy is infectious though and he is already one of the harder working players on the team so I think he will continue to improve.

[MagicFan101]

Again, I'm not trying to be overly harsh on Anthony, but look at this play and tell me what was skillful about it from Anthony's perspective?

This is entirely on the ability of Ross and to a much lesser extent Birch. Ross works his way open with off ball movement. Ross gets an extra bit of a space with a fake and the threat of another Birch screen. Ross makes a contested 3.

Anthony is standing still 40 feet from the basket, makes one pass that isn't in the shooting pocket as Ross decided to reverse pivot on the catch, but still gets credit for the assist when Ross does all the work on the play.

You’re going to find examples of this for every single PG in the league. Come on man. They called a play for Ross, this was just getting the ball to the hot hand.


Ignore the stats.


What has impressed me about Cole has been his attitude on the court. He plays with a fire few on this team have had in a long time. He also has a way of believing in himself that I love. When he makes a bad mistake he seems to have a very short memory. He bounces back quickly and gets right back in the game with complete focus. A lot of guys sulk or complain to the refs and let one mistake turn into two.


My biggest worries about investing a draft pick in Cole were his decision making, leadership and teamwork. He is answering the call on these with flying colors and giving me hope that a very strong contributor for our rotation is here.

[magicorlando12]

RELAX PEOPLE.......this kid just played in his 3rd NBA game......what did you realistically expect him to be doing by this point?

[pepe1991]

"playmaking" nowdays and how guys average 10 assist a game and never make anybody around them better.

[Blue_and_Whte]

"playmaking" nowdays and how guys average 10 assist a game and never make anybody around them better.

Why are people **** on Cole for either executing the play being called or making the right play (hand off to a trailing TRoss). Is this bad?
"Did you see him make the right read on that play, what an IDIOT." WTF is wrong with this fan base?

Your montage of him making the right pass to the guy who's literally keeping us in games is not a measure of his or anyone's ability to make players around them better.

[pepe1991]

"playmaking" nowdays and how guys average 10 assist a game and never make anybody around them better.

Why are people **** on Cole for either executing the play being called or making the right play (hand off to a trailing TRoss). Is this bad?
"Did you see him make the right read on that play, what an IDIOT." WTF is wrong with this fan base?

Your montage of him making the right pass to the guy who's literally keeping us in games is not a measure of his or anyone's ability to make players around them better.

Wait a second.

I didn't say anything . if you move 2 pages back, there was page- long post from Makaveli7 claiming that Terrence Ross is now FINALLY getting " GREAT LOOKS" because it's DJ Augustin forced him to play "isolation 2 on 1 and shoot" and now, with Cole Anthony, he finally thrives as Cole finds him with some amazing passes.

So Knightro first, me second, posted what actually is going on in game. Regardless who is passing to Ross, DJ, Cole, your grandmom, my grandfather, his shots still come down to his execution, and have nothing to do with alleged "playmaking" of passer.
This isn't playmaking. This is making basic pass where Ross, and in lesser exstend Birch, is doing everything. That entery pass cold have been made by blind person, would still make no difference to outcome of play. And if you were reading further, i pointed out that he is using Ross hot streak to make overarhing point how somehow Ross being uber-hot is all to Cole's credit.

Don't bust my nuts before reading everything that is going on.

Since a preseason , i still gave zero opinions on Cole or Okeke. During preseason my only rookie related comment is me saying Okeke isn't SF. Witch is very obvious.

[Blue_and_Whte]

RELAX PEOPLE.......this kid just played in his 3rd NBA game......what did you realistically expect him to be doing by this point?

IDK...Is this good enough? I mean it's not a skilled pass so probably no...

what about this offensive rebound, pass to TRoss who gets fouled on the 3 pt attempt. Totally not making anyone better I guess.

I can get on streamable and nitpick clips all day, it doesn't prove anything.

[JojoSlimbiid]

My issue with Cole is his handle has not been dynamic enough to compensate for his size. He is athletic and explosive but he lacks the craft...which isn't what you usually expect in diminutive guards. Similar to DSJ in this regard.

[Blue_and_Whte]

"playmaking" nowdays and how guys average 10 assist a game and never make anybody around them better.

Why are people **** on Cole for either executing the play being called or making the right play (hand off to a trailing TRoss). Is this bad?
"Did you see him make the right read on that play, what an IDIOT." WTF is wrong with this fan base?

Your montage of him making the right pass to the guy who's literally keeping us in games is not a measure of his or anyone's ability to make players around them better.

Wait a second.

I didn't say anything . if you move 2 pages back, there was page- long post from Makaveli7 claiming that Terrence Ross is now FINALLY getting " GREAT LOOKS" because it's DJ Augustin forced him to play "isolation 2 on 1 and shoot" and now, with Cole Anthony, he finally thrives as Cole finds him with some amazing passes.

So Knightro first, me second, posted what actually is going on in game. Regardless who is passing to Ross, DJ, Cole, your grandmom, my grandfather, his shots still come down to his execution, and have nothing to do with alleged "playmaking" of passer.
This isn't playmaking. This is making basic pass where Ross, and in lesser exstend Birch, is doing everything. That entery pass cold have been made by blind person, would still make no difference to outcome of play. And if you were reading further, i pointed out that he is using Ross hot streak to make overarhing point how somehow Ross being uber-hot is all to Cole's credit.

Don't bust my nuts before reading everything that is going on.

Since a preseason , i still gave zero opinions on Cole or Okeke. During preseason my only rookie related comment is me saying Okeke isn't SF. Witch is very obvious.

I read bits of it but honestly I can't read your wall of text most of the time. Yes Ross gets hot on his own regardless of whos passing the ball. But you added "never make anyone around them better" for no reason and based on nothing and thats what I get most annoyed about. He does other things that you dont bring up like keeping rebounds alive leading to extra points for example, so he's not just out there taking bad shots and making simple passes within the offensive scheme. Matter of fact his rebounding is a nice surprise.