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Game 4 - Lakers vs Trail Blazers Monday 12/28

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Re: Game 4 - Lakers vs Trail Blazers Monday 12/28 

Post#81 » by ROballer » Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:08 pm

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ROballer wrote:21.7 ppg 4.5 rpg 3.7 apg 3.0 spg 1.5 bpg 1.5 to per 36.

37% from 3.
59% TS
21.3 PER

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Why is this guy behind Matthews for example in the pecking order(don't get me started on the others). What's the logical explanation for this besides age?

This is getting more ridiculous with each passing day. You play the player by his skills/production, not by age/reputation.



It's a travesty. It's dumb coaching, no sugarcoating it.

FREE THT!!!!!

Please remember that Lakers brought in Matthews to replace Danny Green, unfortunately, Wes just replaced Green's "offense" last night. :nonono:



He's got 2 ppg 0.8 rpg 1.2 apg 33% and ZERO 3's made in 15 mins a night thus far.

THT has literally twice his stats while playing half his minutes.

And spare me the defense part. It's not enough.
We're basically having 15 nil minutes from a guy. Why not give THT that and with his about 20 a game? What's wrong with that?
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Re: Game 4 - Lakers vs Trail Blazers Monday 12/28 

Post#82 » by Hans1984 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:11 pm

Kuzma needs to step up. He missed three open 3 pointers in a row in the forth quarter.
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Re: Game 4 - Lakers vs Trail Blazers Monday 12/28 

Post#83 » by Vae Victus » Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:46 pm

Games like this we feel DHo's lack of presence felt.

He'd manhandle Nurkic/Kanter no problem, and he's got the defensive chops to be in the right place at the right time on help D unlike Harrell. DHo has probably lost another step, but he's bbiq on D is no joke.

Then when Nurkic sits, we could unleash Harrell on their bench, although Kanter isnt a great matchup against them either.

Point being, if we cant take advantage of mismatches like we normally do, when AD has his occasional bad games, Lebron's impact neutralized by Dame's. Then the team just needs to hit their open shots at a higher rate. Lakers faltered hard in the end on that front.
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Re: Game 4 - Lakers vs Trail Blazers Monday 12/28 

Post#84 » by LAKESHOW » Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:46 pm

In 7 games, we would smash this team, not worried. However, we do have some areas of need. Interior defense and size. It was THEE area where comments were blown up in the playoffs, our interior size and domination. Giving up 1 big, ok. But we Lost 2 bigs who situationally were huge for us. Houston, no. But a Denver team. Smashing Bam in the finals. Stuff like that. We may not need it every game, but its nice to have it In the toolbox upon request.
The other stuff is correctable, like shooting.
I also would like to see the point guard disseminate and read more. Not think shoot first. Schroder has 24 points, AD had 13pts. As a point, you must take it upon yourself to Lead. To Setup. To Slow and halt action and say, AD this ball is yours, everyone else, clear out. Alongside scoring, that is also in the job description. That may take the whole 72 games to figure out.
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Re: Game 4 - Lakers vs Trail Blazers Monday 12/28 

Post#85 » by Liam_Gallagher » Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:11 pm

I didn’t watch the game but I can tell from the box score that was one of those nights from AD where he was better off sitting it out. When the Lakers lose it’s usually because Davis puts in little effort, the same thing happened in most playoff losses last season. He can drop 30 if he wants to but his effort just isn’t there sometimes.
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Re: Game 4 - Lakers vs Trail Blazers Monday 12/28 

Post#86 » by Liam_Gallagher » Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:13 pm

LAKESHOW wrote:In 7 games, we would smash this team, not worried. However, we do have some areas of need. Interior defense and size. It was THEE area where comments were blown up in the playoffs, our interior size and domination. Giving up 1 big, ok. But we Lost 2 bigs who situationally were huge for us. Houston, no. But a Denver team. Smashing Bam in the finals. Stuff like that. We may not need it every game, but its nice to have it In the toolbox upon request.
The other stuff is correctable, like shooting.
I also would like to see the point guard disseminate and read more. Not think shoot first. Schroder has 24 points, AD had 13pts. As a point, you must take it upon yourself to Lead. To Setup. To Slow and halt action and say, AD this ball is yours, everyone else, clear out. Alongside scoring, that is also in the job description. That may take the whole 72 games to figure out.


I really don’t see why Shroder is starting when he’s a scoring point guard. He’s apparently supposed to take on the Rondo role but Rondo never started. I feel like having a shoot first guard out there with LeBron and AD is redundant and taking away shots from LeBron and AD.
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Re: Game 4 - Lakers vs Trail Blazers Monday 12/28 

Post#87 » by LAKESHOW » Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:18 pm

Liam_Gallagher wrote:I didn’t watch the game but I can tell from the box score that was one of those nights from AD where he was better off sitting it out. When the Lakers lose it’s usually because Davis puts in little effort, the same thing happened in most playoff losses last season. He can drop 30 if he wants to but his effort just isn’t there sometimes.

This is where the point Lead comes in. Bron for example will tell everyone to clear out and force the action to AD. Down the stretch, Schroeder needs to learn the same. 13 points is unacceptable. Get AD in a rhythm. Get him going. Get him in his spots. Get his shot count up
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Re: Game 4 - Lakers vs Trail Blazers Monday 12/28 

Post#88 » by stan francisco » Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:53 pm

Vae Victus wrote:Games like this we feel DHo's lack of presence felt.

He'd manhandle Nurkic/Kanter no problem, and he's got the defensive chops to be in the right place at the right time on help D unlike Harrell. DHo has probably lost another step, but he's bbiq on D is no joke.

Then when Nurkic sits, we could unleash Harrell on their bench, although Kanter isnt a great matchup against them either.

Point being, if we cant take advantage of mismatches like we normally do, when AD has his occasional bad games, Lebron's impact neutralized by Dame's. Then the team just needs to hit their open shots at a higher rate. Lakers faltered hard in the end on that front.


Agreed on the void left by D Ho. If the low post defense is there, we win this game. Coaching staff is also trying stuff.

Isn’t this why we brought in Schröder and Wes? Underwhelming for someone who demands to start over Caruso, albeit this was game three against the world’s deadliest backcourt which is only slowed down by team defense not individual, but still.

I don’t expect much from Wes this season. He’s Quinn Cook, one size bigger with defense(?).


I do expect much bigger minutes for THT the longer the season goes on and I don’t see how it’s avoidable.

He’s already playing at his own pace, like only very special players do. The game pace seems to bend for him, to his will, adjust to his pace. Similarly, Ginobili played at his own pace, so did Horry, so do a few other current role player stars, like Iguodala, Ingram, Rondo. When they get the ball, you know who the sheriff is. THT is that guy already at age 20(?). Let him play, but no need to run him into the ground too soon. Let him grow into it from the bench and up.
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Re: Game 4 - Lakers vs Trail Blazers Monday 12/28 

Post#89 » by Vae Victus » Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:58 pm

Yea no need to rush THT. I dont want him to develop bad habits as a unconcious no D gunner like Jordan Clarkson became. I want THT to compete hard on D and earn his minutes, like Caruso did. I hope Vogel hammers that into his head, he better D Up hard and hustle his ass off on both ends of the court.

Man if only we can combine Caruso with THT, THT's offensive flair and insanely long arms, with Caruso's height, hops, and BBIQ, that's basically an all star.

This year, i want THT to max out at about 18-20 mins, and be the 8th man behind Montrelz and Kuz as the 6th and 7th men, but ahead of vets like Caruso, Kieff, and Matthews.

C - Gasol, Harrell
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Re: Game 4 - Lakers vs Trail Blazers Monday 12/28 

Post#90 » by kblo247 » Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:36 am

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Denver abused him in the playoffs last year doing this same thing. He can’t stay on the court against quick PGs that can shoot like Lillard/Murray/Mitchell etc.

All he had to do was play Marc. In the first and 3rd CJ and Dame could not turn the corner on Marc at all.
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Re: Game 4 - Lakers vs Trail Blazers Monday 12/28 

Post#91 » by kblo247 » Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:37 am

Vae Victus wrote:Games like this we feel DHo's lack of presence felt.

He'd manhandle Nurkic/Kanter no problem, and he's got the defensive chops to be in the right place at the right time on help D unlike Harrell. DHo has probably lost another step, but he's bbiq on D is no joke.

Then when Nurkic sits, we could unleash Harrell on their bench, although Kanter isnt a great matchup against them either.

Point being, if we cant take advantage of mismatches like we normally do, when AD has his occasional bad games, Lebron's impact neutralized by Dame's. Then the team just needs to hit their open shots at a higher rate. Lakers faltered hard in the end on that front.

Kanter punked Dwight in Boston. The sqame Dwight who Drummond ate up. the same Dwight who Jokic ate up after 1 game of tape watching him.
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Re: Game 4 - Lakers vs Trail Blazers Monday 12/28 

Post#92 » by lazybatman » Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:04 pm

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Maybe Lebron does need some motivation this season.. :wink: :wink:
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Re: Game 4 - Lakers vs Trail Blazers Monday 12/28 

Post#93 » by lazybatman » Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:11 pm

I'm honestly glad Trez got exposed out there so early on drop P&R coverages. Think he's an insanely intelligent guy, and Vogel and Co. should be able to help him fix that pretty easy when it counts.

Still taking him over Dwight + McGee combined without a second thought.

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