Bears 2019/20; George McCaskey is on the clock

[Chi town]

Josh Allen is a monster.

Yep. He has consistently improved. He certainly come into the league as a monster.

I’d love to see Allen win a super bowl w the Bills.

[fleet]

That last TD pass was ridiculous. Going forward, hyper elite arms like Mahomes and Allen have will cause GMs to value and gamble on higher than they have been doing.

[CjayC]

Josh Allen is a monster.

Yeah really shows the draft is a crapshoot at QB in terms of how these guys develop. In college I thought he was goofy, inaccurate, couldn't protect the football, and was pretty much a backyard QB. Now he has the best completion % in the league, and crazy redzone numbers.

[fleet]

Josh Allen is a monster.

Yeah really shows the draft is a crapshoot at QB in terms of how these guys develop. In college I thought he was goofy, inaccurate, couldn't protect the football, and was pretty much a backyard QB. Now he has the best completion % in the league, and crazy redzone numbers.

Something about those big strong northern plains QBs is intriguing. Throwing through all that brutal cold and wind. I was hoping he would come out in 2017 to have a shot at him. I saw some of his tape with those deep line drives he was launching with minimal effort and it had my wheels turning. Something tells me Pace was head over heels for Biscuit anyway.

[CjayC]

Josh Allen is a monster.

Yeah really shows the draft is a crapshoot at QB in terms of how these guys develop. In college I thought he was goofy, inaccurate, couldn't protect the football, and was pretty much a backyard QB. Now he has the best completion % in the league, and crazy redzone numbers.

Something about those big strong northern plains QBs is intriguing. Throwing through all that brutal cold and wind. I was hoping he would come out in 2017 to have a shot at him. I saw some of his tape with those deep line drives he was launching with minimal effort and it had my wheels turning. Something tells me Pace was head over heels for Biscuit anyway.

I was impressed with the athleticism, and arm strength, but the decision making reminded me a lot of Cutty. Pretty sure that was popular comparison.

The QB coach at Wyoming has a bit of a track record, he was also the guy that discovered Carson Wentz(Before he needed a sports psychologist this season). Maybe they should consult that guy the next time they're picking a QB.

[Susan]

This city would have NEVER had the patience to develop a QB like the Bills just developed Allen.

There's no hyperarms in the draft this year, Wilson's arm is good but it's closer to Mitch's than it is to Mahomes.

[fleet]

Along those lines, Trey Lance is an interesting lottery ticket I would love to pull the trigger on.

[Susan]

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[biggestbullsfan]

Along those lines, Trey Lance is an interesting lottery ticket I would love to pull the trigger on.

If we make the playoffs we probably miss him.

Also on that note, if we make the playoffs, does Mitch earn an extension at that point? If still bring in a QB prospect if a good one is there

[weneeda2guard]

Goff broke his thumb so Bears can't depend on someone else doing the job for them next week. I've seen this story before.

Hopefully GB rests some guys, namely #12.

GB has something to play for and that's the 1st rd bye and with the new rules only the top seed gets that bye now. GB wants that rest and let's be honest

We ended the packers playoff hopes a couple years ago. We are their division rival and they know what's at stake they want to end ours just out of spite.

We are going to have to beat the packers straight up no help

Because with goff out the cardinals have a great chance to beat the rams.

[Chi town]

I think Nagy is safe win or lose if Bears offense plays well.

I think Pace is safe win or lose if Mitch plays well. If Mitch doesn’t I think Pace is gone as they won’t trust him to pick a QB. Think that’s the right choice too.

If Mitch sucks in his big game you have to move on. He’s been a starting QB that you can win with the past 4 weeks but against weak defenses.

Mitch’s recipe for success is moving the chains, time of possession, getting the ball to his guys in space and letting them make the plays. He has to keep getting first downs with his legs and STOP making dumb turnovers in the red zone.

I think Mitch will play solid and Bears will put up 27 but it won’t be enough to beat Rodgers as Pagano won’t play aggressive.

[dougthonus]

This city would have NEVER had the patience to develop a QB like the Bills just developed Allen.

Allen busted out big in his 3rd year and made steady progression all three years. Trubisky was given four years and fans were super hopeful going into that third year, so kind of seems like the Bears fans and coaching staff were definitely patient enough to develop a guy like Allen.

There's no hyperarms in the draft this year, Wilson's arm is good but it's closer to Mitch's than it is to Mahomes.

The Bears won't pick high enough to get an obvious franchise guy. I mean the obvious franchise guys are #1 in the draft. They'll have to guess if a non obvious superstar is going to be good enough to fix whatever minor flaws he has or if those flaws won't be relevant to him in the NFL.

Wherever the Bears pick, there will likely be at least one future franchise caliber QB on the board. There might be 10 guys whom could be that QB and picking out which one is the franchise guy precisely is obviously impossible or he wouldn't be on the board still and would have been taken in the top couple picks.

In that sense, it will be a risk for the Bears to take a QB because the chance of failure is high, but they probably won't be a great team until they have a great QB. If you still think Mitch has a better chance of being that guy than whomever in the draft, that's one way to go, but I don't think the team is thinking that way and I probably wouldn't either, but that said I'm no QB whisperer and have no idea whom might or might not be that guy in the draft. You sure won't get one in FA, great QBs that aren't at the end of their career basically never hit the FA market, so its draft one, take on a reclamation project, or keep your own reclamation project.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Bears need to draft O line/Receiver/Cornerback in the top half of the draft.

Its a pretty deep draft for QBs, there will be some options in rounds 3 and 4 that could hit big.

[dougthonus]

Bears need to draft O line/Receiver/Cornerback in the top half of the draft.

Its a pretty deep draft for QBs, there will be some options in rounds 3 and 4 that could hit big.

Odds are really low to get a great QB outside of the 1st round (or even outside the top 10). Here are starters this year in QBR order up until we get to Mitch. I bolded all the guys who were later than the 2nd round, and of the two guys who were 2nd rounders, you had Brees whom was 32nd which is now a 1st rounder and Carr whom was 36th which is 4 picks away from a 1st rounder.

Of the guys whom weren't 1st rounders, no one is going to tell you that you're looking for the next Ryan Fitzpatrick, so you're down to Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins, and Tom Brady. Of those guys, Brady had scant resume so obvious why people missed. I'm not a big college football guy, but looks off the cuff, like Cousins/Wilson weren't particularly special in college. Not sure on the story with Dak.

Overall, I think what this means is that while lots of guys rate QBs as 1st round talents that aren't really 1st round talents and end up being busts, there are very few (almost no one) QBs that are 1st round talents and can lead a franchise but fall past the 1st round.

Aaron Rodgers (24th)
Patrick Mahomes (10th)
Josh Allen (7th)
Dak Prescott (135)
Ryan Tannehill (8th)
Ryan FitzPatrick (250th)
Drew Brees (32nd)
Russell Wilson (75th)
Lamar Jackson (32nd)
Tom Brady (199th)
DeShaun Watson (12th)
Derek Carr (36th)
Baker Mayfield (1st)
Kyler Murray (1st)
Justin Herbert (6th)
Matthew Stafford (1st)
Terry Bridgewater (32nd)
Matt Ryan (3rd)
Phillip Rivers (4th)
Daniel Jones (6th)
Kirk Cousins (102nd)
Ben Roethlisberger 11th
Jared Goff (1st)
Mitch Trubisky (2nd)

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Bears need to draft O line/Receiver/Cornerback in the top half of the draft.

Its a pretty deep draft for QBs, there will be some options in rounds 3 and 4 that could hit big.

Odds are really low to get a great QB outside of the 1st round (or even outside the top 10). Here are starters this year in QBR order up until we get to Mitch. I bolded all the guys who were later than the 2nd round, and of the two guys who were 2nd rounders, you had Brees whom was 32nd which is now a 1st rounder and Carr whom was 36th which is 4 picks away from a 1st rounder.

Of the guys whom weren't 1st rounders, no one is going to tell you that you're looking for the next Ryan Fitzpatrick, so you're down to Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins, and Tom Brady. Of those guys, Brady had scant resume so obvious why people missed. I'm not a big college football guy, but looks off the cuff, like Cousins/Wilson weren't particularly special in college. Not sure on the story with Dak.

Overall, I think what this means is that while lots of guys rate QBs as 1st round talents that aren't really 1st round talents and end up being busts, there are very few (almost no one) QBs that are 1st round talents and can lead a franchise but fall past the 1st round.

Aaron Rodgers (24th)
Patrick Mahomes (10th)
Josh Allen (7th)
Dak Prescott (135)
Ryan Tannehill (8th)
Ryan FitzPatrick (250th)
Drew Brees (32nd)
Russell Wilson (75th)
Lamar Jackson (32nd)
Tom Brady (199th)
DeShaun Watson (12th)
Derek Carr (36th)
Baker Mayfield (1st)
Kyler Murray (1st)
Justin Herbert (6th)
Matthew Stafford (1st)
Terry Bridgewater (32nd)
Matt Ryan (3rd)
Phillip Rivers (4th)
Daniel Jones (6th)
Kirk Cousins (102nd)
Ben Roethlisberger 11th
Jared Goff (1st)
Mitch Trubisky (2nd)

I agree for the most part, but a couple of counter points:

A lot of this can be draft dependent. The reality is there are few QBs drafted in rounds 2-5 period, due to a lack of talent and teams not interested/not needing a franchise QB. If you look at the QBs drafted in late 2nd-5th in drafts over the last few years, you’ll only get around 2-5 players total in each draft and the red flags were pretty apparent. 2017 is a pretty apparent example of those rounds not going to produce anyone worthwhile.

This draft just feels a little deeper to me than most. Who knows, maybe not. But a guy like Mac Jones, 6-3”, 32TD/4INT, good deep ball, gonna win the national championship, isn’t ranked in the top 5 of QBs coming out will likely be a mid 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder.

Also I think the risk is pretty low for a large reward. The Bears just gave away a 4th rounder for Foles, a guy who lost his job in Jacksonville. There is nothing more important in football than getting a franchise QB, nothing even close. If you don’t have that you should be doing everything possible to get one, so the risk-reward payoff seems lopsided to me.

Also, if you get an average QB, you have a good backup QB and can often trade those guys for future draft capital (Jimmy G). Not a bad problem to have.

[dougthonus]

I agree for the most part, but a couple of counter points:

A lot of this can be draft dependent. The reality is there are few QBs drafted in rounds 2-5 period, due to a lack of talent and teams not interested/not needing a franchise QB. If you look at the QBs drafted in late 2nd-5th in drafts over the last few years, you’ll only get around 2-5 players total in each draft and the red flags were pretty apparent. 2017 is a pretty apparent example of those rounds not going to produce anyone worthwhile.

This draft just feels a little deeper to me than most. Who knows, maybe not. But a guy like Mac Jones, 6-3”, 32TD/4INT, good deep ball, gonna win the national championship, isn’t ranked in the top 5 of QBs coming out will likely be a mid 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder.

Also I think the risk is pretty low for a large reward. The Bears just gave away a 4th rounder for Foles, a guy who lost his job in Jacksonville. There is nothing more important in football than getting a franchise QB, nothing even close. If you don’t have that you should be doing everything possible to get one, so the risk-reward payoff seems lopsided to me.

Also, if you get an average QB, you have a good backup QB and can often trade those guys for future draft capital (Jimmy G). Not a bad problem to have.

I guess that's the problem, historically, the risk reward for non 1st round QBs is awful. They're almost all bad. I mean this is basically all starters right now, so of the accumulation of all 3rd+ round QBs in the past 15 or so years, you've basically got three that panned out really great (Brady, Dak, Wilson).

Your risk reward argument is why the Bears should take someone with their 1st rounder, but obviously they have to believe in that guy whomever he is.

[transplant]

The Bears are screwed QB-wise. They had their high-percentage shot and they drafted Trubisky. They built well enough around him to be a middle of the draft team even with below average QB play. That's where they are. Wish I could say I see a high-percentage way out, but it's just not there.

Of course, there's no law against hoping to beat the odds.

[dougthonus]

The Bears are screwed QB-wise. They had their high-percentage shot and they drafted Trubisky. They built well enough around him to be a middle of the draft team even with below average QB play. That's where they are. Wish I could say I see a high-percentage way out, but it's just not there.

Of course, there's no law against hoping to beat the odds.

If you draft a star QB, you won't complain, but the other problem is you typically won't know until year 3 either and you can't have two going at the same time (ie, draft a 1st round QB every year until one pans out) because only one can get the reps. What it does mean, is every 4th year (at worst) you should probably take the best 1st round QB you can if you don't have a stud at the position. You might go even more frequently than that if you give up on your guy even earlier (Washington / Haskins type situation).

[Brothaman33]

I agree for the most part, but a couple of counter points:

A lot of this can be draft dependent. The reality is there are few QBs drafted in rounds 2-5 period, due to a lack of talent and teams not interested/not needing a franchise QB. If you look at the QBs drafted in late 2nd-5th in drafts over the last few years, you’ll only get around 2-5 players total in each draft and the red flags were pretty apparent. 2017 is a pretty apparent example of those rounds not going to produce anyone worthwhile.

This draft just feels a little deeper to me than most. Who knows, maybe not. But a guy like Mac Jones, 6-3”, 32TD/4INT, good deep ball, gonna win the national championship, isn’t ranked in the top 5 of QBs coming out will likely be a mid 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder.

Also I think the risk is pretty low for a large reward. The Bears just gave away a 4th rounder for Foles, a guy who lost his job in Jacksonville. There is nothing more important in football than getting a franchise QB, nothing even close. If you don’t have that you should be doing everything possible to get one, so the risk-reward payoff seems lopsided to me.

Also, if you get an average QB, you have a good backup QB and can often trade those guys for future draft capital (Jimmy G). Not a bad problem to have.

I guess that's the problem, historically, the risk reward for non 1st round QBs is awful. They're almost all bad. I mean this is basically all starters right now, so of the accumulation of all 3rd+ round QBs in the past 15 or so years, you've basically got three that panned out really great (Brady, Dak, Wilson).

Your risk reward argument is why the Bears should take someone with their 1st rounder, but obviously they have to believe in that guy whomever he is.

Agreed, they probably have to take a QB in the first round, but there are so many issues here:

1. Is Pace making the decision, and if he is, the pick is going to be immensely scrutinized. But that actually may lower expections a bit because it'll be a pick from a guy most want fired and has failed once before.

2. Is Mitch back and does he want to be back with a rookie QB who literally everyone wants him to be replaced with.

3. If Mitch is gone does Foles start off the bat or does the rookie QB start off the bat? For me, I can't imagine after watching Foles play that they can shove Foles back as a starter with a shiny new toy ready to go. I think Foles is terrible and should be exclusively the backup, regardless of who else is on the roster.

4. Is A-Rob back? This significantly affects the QB because without him, your ability to be a good QB drops a ton.

5. If everyone is fired, which I highly doubt, a new front office may have a completely different take on the whole situation.

To me, they are forced to draft a QB with the first pick, which is a terrible spot to be in because it makes you either reach for a QB you don't want and on top of that, perhaps leave better talent on the board because you HAVE to take one.

I don't think the Bears are all the great, but I am SUPER interested on how these next few games and the offseason go. Almost everything is at stake.

[dougthonus]

Agreed, they probably have to take a QB in the first round, but there are so many issues here:

1. Is Pace making the decision, and if he is, the pick is going to be immensely scrutinized. But that actually may lower expections a bit because it'll be a pick from a guy most want fired and has failed once before.

If you don't trust Pace then fire him. Otherwise, you let him do his job. It's likely 90% of his decision here is based on the opinion of the staff anyway.

2. Is Mitch back and does he want to be back with a rookie QB who literally everyone wants him to be replaced with.

Could be a problem, but Mitch is unlikely to find anything more than a "competition for starting QB" gig. It might prevent you from signing him or might not, but who cares if you are the Bears? If you thought Mitch was the answer, you wouldn't draft a QB.

3. If Mitch is gone does Foles start off the bat or does the rookie QB start off the bat? For me, I can't imagine after watching Foles play that they can shove Foles back as a starter with a shiny new toy ready to go. I think Foles is terrible and should be exclusively the backup, regardless of who else is on the roster.

Few rookie QBs start week 1, Foles would probably be a good guy to start four to six weeks if you wanted to give your rookie more practices.

4. Is A-Rob back? This significantly affects the QB because without him, your ability to be a good QB drops a ton.

Problem regardless, but a problem the Bears have regardless is the quality of team they have and their ability to keep quality together given where their cap structure is.

5. If everyone is fired, which I highly doubt, a new front office may have a completely different take on the whole situation.

Unlikely a new FO would hitch their wagon to Mitch, there aren't great QBs in FA, so probably whomever is here will get a QB this year or next.

To me, they are forced to draft a QB with the first pick, which is a terrible spot to be in because it makes you either reach for a QB you don't want and on top of that, perhaps leave better talent on the board because you HAVE to take one.

You only take one if there is one you really like. There's never any point to drafting a QB you don't like just to do it, but it will be really hard to ever be great until you have a great QB.

I don't think the Bears are all the great, but I am SUPER interested on how these next few games and the offseason go. Almost everything is at stake.

Yeah, they are probably at a tipping point with a lot of stuff. Nagy, Pace, whether to rebuild or retool etc..