Bears 2019/20; George McCaskey is on the clock

[Dresden]

While I think we need to get a QB ready in case Mitch doesn't hack it (or gets hurt), but I for one am not eager to replace him right away if he keeps this up. His QB rating is something like 105 over the last 4 games. He's no Brady or Brees, and if we see someone who we really like that is available in the 1st round, I'd be fine taking him, but he could be a good NFL QB yet.

I'd rather see us use the draft to fill other holes, on defense, on the O line, etc. Not sure we need another receiver as long as we can keep ARob. We have Mooney and Miller and Ridley. We've used a lot of picks on WR's the past 5 years. Rather see that high draft pick go towards lineman.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

I agree for the most part, but a couple of counter points:

A lot of this can be draft dependent. The reality is there are few QBs drafted in rounds 2-5 period, due to a lack of talent and teams not interested/not needing a franchise QB. If you look at the QBs drafted in late 2nd-5th in drafts over the last few years, you’ll only get around 2-5 players total in each draft and the red flags were pretty apparent. 2017 is a pretty apparent example of those rounds not going to produce anyone worthwhile.

This draft just feels a little deeper to me than most. Who knows, maybe not. But a guy like Mac Jones, 6-3”, 32TD/4INT, good deep ball, gonna win the national championship, isn’t ranked in the top 5 of QBs coming out will likely be a mid 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder.

Also I think the risk is pretty low for a large reward. The Bears just gave away a 4th rounder for Foles, a guy who lost his job in Jacksonville. There is nothing more important in football than getting a franchise QB, nothing even close. If you don’t have that you should be doing everything possible to get one, so the risk-reward payoff seems lopsided to me.

Also, if you get an average QB, you have a good backup QB and can often trade those guys for future draft capital (Jimmy G). Not a bad problem to have.

I guess that's the problem, historically, the risk reward for non 1st round QBs is awful. They're almost all bad. I mean this is basically all starters right now, so of the accumulation of all 3rd+ round QBs in the past 15 or so years, you've basically got three that panned out really great (Brady, Dak, Wilson).

Your risk reward argument is why the Bears should take someone with their 1st rounder, but obviously they have to believe in that guy whomever he is.

I guess I just mean missing on a 3rd or 4th rounder isn’t a huge deal, it’s a low risk that won’t hurt your franchise like missing on your 1st will.

[nitetrain8603]

While I think we need to get a QB ready in case Mitch doesn't hack it (or gets hurt), but I for one am not eager to replace him right away if he keeps this up. His QB rating is something like 105 over the last 4 games. He's no Brady or Brees, and if we see someone who we really like that is available in the 1st round, I'd be fine taking him, but he could be a good NFL QB yet.

I'd rather see us use the draft to fill other holes, on defense, on the O line, etc. Not sure we need another receiver as long as we can keep ARob. We have Mooney and Miller and Ridley. We've used a lot of picks on WR's the past 5 years. Rather see that high draft pick go towards lineman.

The Bears defensive hole is at DC. Chuck Pagano is the worst performer on that defense and it's not even close.

As far as QB - Mitch cannot be your answer. When you cut the field in half, you still can't read a defense and your deep ball sucks, you're destined to be no more than a journeyman. The Bears offense is smoke n mirrors when it comes to the QB. And that's okay...for this season. But when teams gameplan and realize, Mitch is only using half the field, the interceptions are going to keep jumping up again. Then fans are still going to blame the playcaller.

Bears need to draft OL bad. They've neglected that position for far too long.

[fleet]

While I think we need to get a QB ready in case Mitch doesn't hack it (or gets hurt), but I for one am not eager to replace him right away if he keeps this up. His QB rating is something like 105 over the last 4 games. He's no Brady or Brees, and if we see someone who we really like that is available in the 1st round, I'd be fine taking him, but he could be a good NFL QB yet.

I'd rather see us use the draft to fill other holes, on defense, on the O line, etc. Not sure we need another receiver as long as we can keep ARob. We have Mooney and Miller and Ridley. We've used a lot of picks on WR's the past 5 years. Rather see that high draft pick go towards lineman.

If George McCaskey becomes convinced the Bears have a quarterback question, especially and specifically paying Biscuit going forward, that is too big a decision for Pace who is biased going into it. It is clear Pace is 100% convinced in his choice of Trubisky by the way he did not follow through after drafting quarterbacks every year like he said he would. God bless him if that’s how he feels. But given reasonable doubt on his choice, a clear an unbiased call is needed with fresh eyes. You devote huge payroll to the QB, you cannot be wrong, or you have a major payroll handicap for the length of Trubisky’s new deal

[Susan]

While I think we need to get a QB ready in case Mitch doesn't hack it (or gets hurt), but I for one am not eager to replace him right away if he keeps this up. His QB rating is something like 105 over the last 4 games. He's no Brady or Brees, and if we see someone who we really like that is available in the 1st round, I'd be fine taking him, but he could be a good NFL QB yet.

I'd rather see us use the draft to fill other holes, on defense, on the O line, etc. Not sure we need another receiver as long as we can keep ARob. We have Mooney and Miller and Ridley. We've used a lot of picks on WR's the past 5 years. Rather see that high draft pick go towards lineman.

If George McCaskey becomes convinced the Bears have a quarterback question, especially and specifically paying Biscuit going forward, that is too big a decision for Pace who is biased going into it. It is clear Pace is 100% convinced in his choice of Trubisky by the way he did not follow through after drafting quarterbacks every year like he said he would. God bless him if that’s how he feels. But given reasonable doubt on his choice, a clear an unbiased call is needed with fresh eyes. You devote huge payroll to the QB, you cannot be wrong, or you have a major payroll handicap for the length of Trubisky’s new deal

He said: "I think it's a good idea to ADD a QB every year"

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-quarterback-side-bears-nfl-spt-0325-20150324-story.html

And lol, he traded for Foles last year. He didn't sit on his hands, he gave his HC his handpicked guy and they puled Trubisky way early because Nagy was down on Mitch. Then, the world came crashing down on Nagy/Foles and here we are, with Lazer calling plays and Mitch playing at a pretty high level.

Pace isn't getting fired after having a team that's won as much as they did in the past three years. The Bears have to have learned from the post Lovie years.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Kyle Trask’s draft stock is plummeting in real time right now. Quicksand for the poor kid.

[Susan]

The Bears are screwed QB-wise. They had their high-percentage shot and they drafted Trubisky. They built well enough around him to be a middle of the draft team even with below average QB play. That's where they are. Wish I could say I see a high-percentage way out, but it's just not there.

Of course, there's no law against hoping to beat the odds.

tbh, keeping Trubisky and keeping the baseline this high is better than cutting it all down and starting all over. Think the Alex Smith years in KC.

There's superstar QBs drafted 1st overall (Luck, Manning, Lawrence) then there's superstar QBs who have been drafted later and sat behind established starters and developed correctly (Mahomes, Rodgers) and then there are stars like Wilson who slipped in the draft and were so obvious that they took the job from day one.

We've reached competency in our offense thanks to the emergence of the running game, the development of Trubisky and some cohesiveness in the o-line.

Having Trubisky as the floor allows for you to not be desperate when picking his successor like KC and GB did. You can hopefully rely on him to produce at this level year in and year out and hope he takes another step forward but remain in the upper half of the NFC regardless.

Mitch isn't going to get Goff/Wentz us with his contract this offseason. Keeping him here on a Bridgewater level contract would do wonders for the franchise's stability.

[Susan]

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[dice]

Bears need to draft O line/Receiver/Cornerback in the top half of the draft.

Its a pretty deep draft for QBs, there will be some options in rounds 3 and 4 that could hit big.

Odds are really low to get a great QB outside of the 1st round (or even outside the top 10). Here are starters this year in QBR order up until we get to Mitch. I bolded all the guys who were later than the 2nd round, and of the two guys who were 2nd rounders, you had Brees whom was 32nd which is now a 1st rounder and Carr whom was 36th which is 4 picks away from a 1st rounder.

Of the guys whom weren't 1st rounders, no one is going to tell you that you're looking for the next Ryan Fitzpatrick, so you're down to Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins, and Tom Brady. Of those guys, Brady had scant resume so obvious why people missed. I'm not a big college football guy, but looks off the cuff, like Cousins/Wilson weren't particularly special in college. Not sure on the story with Dak.

Overall, I think what this means is that while lots of guys rate QBs as 1st round talents that aren't really 1st round talents and end up being busts, there are very few (almost no one) QBs that are 1st round talents and can lead a franchise but fall past the 1st round.

Aaron Rodgers (24th)
Patrick Mahomes (10th)
Josh Allen (7th)
Dak Prescott (135)
Ryan Tannehill (8th)
Ryan FitzPatrick (250th)
Drew Brees (32nd)
Russell Wilson (75th)
Lamar Jackson (32nd)
Tom Brady (199th)
DeShaun Watson (12th)
Derek Carr (36th)
Baker Mayfield (1st)
Kyler Murray (1st)
Justin Herbert (6th)
Matthew Stafford (1st)
Terry Bridgewater (32nd)
Matt Ryan (3rd)
Phillip Rivers (4th)
Daniel Jones (6th)
Kirk Cousins (102nd)
Ben Roethlisberger 11th
Jared Goff (1st)
Mitch Trubisky (2nd)

interesting to note that not a single QB in the league right now was considered a surefire franchise QB coming out of college. trevor lawrence is

[TyrusRose2425]

Bears need to draft O line/Receiver/Cornerback in the top half of the draft.

Its a pretty deep draft for QBs, there will be some options in rounds 3 and 4 that could hit big.

Odds are really low to get a great QB outside of the 1st round (or even outside the top 10). Here are starters this year in QBR order up until we get to Mitch. I bolded all the guys who were later than the 2nd round, and of the two guys who were 2nd rounders, you had Brees whom was 32nd which is now a 1st rounder and Carr whom was 36th which is 4 picks away from a 1st rounder.

Of the guys whom weren't 1st rounders, no one is going to tell you that you're looking for the next Ryan Fitzpatrick, so you're down to Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins, and Tom Brady. Of those guys, Brady had scant resume so obvious why people missed. I'm not a big college football guy, but looks off the cuff, like Cousins/Wilson weren't particularly special in college. Not sure on the story with Dak.

Overall, I think what this means is that while lots of guys rate QBs as 1st round talents that aren't really 1st round talents and end up being busts, there are very few (almost no one) QBs that are 1st round talents and can lead a franchise but fall past the 1st round.

Aaron Rodgers (24th)
Patrick Mahomes (10th)
Josh Allen (7th)
Dak Prescott (135)
Ryan Tannehill (8th)
Ryan FitzPatrick (250th)
Drew Brees (32nd)
Russell Wilson (75th)
Lamar Jackson (32nd)
Tom Brady (199th)
DeShaun Watson (12th)
Derek Carr (36th)
Baker Mayfield (1st)
Kyler Murray (1st)
Justin Herbert (6th)
Matthew Stafford (1st)
Terry Bridgewater (32nd)
Matt Ryan (3rd)
Phillip Rivers (4th)
Daniel Jones (6th)
Kirk Cousins (102nd)
Ben Roethlisberger 11th
Jared Goff (1st)
Mitch Trubisky (2nd)

interesting to note that not a single QB in the league right now was considered a surefire franchise QB coming out of college. trevor lawrence is

Last "sure thing" was Andrew Luck I believe

[dice]

While I think we need to get a QB ready in case Mitch doesn't hack it (or gets hurt), but I for one am not eager to replace him right away if he keeps this up. His QB rating is something like 105 over the last 4 games

against 4 terrible defenses. the packers D is average at least, so we'll see how that goes...

he had a 6 game stretch in 2018 w/ an avg. rating of 112.4 as well. w/ 3 of his 4 good/great games against bad defenses

[dice]

Pace isn't getting fired after having a team that's won as much as they did in the past three years. The Bears have to have learned from the post Lovie years.

it's important that he has a year left on his contract. if trubisky crashes and burns against the pack and/or in the playoffs it would be easy to cut them both loose. if trubisky plays well against the pack, i can see him getting a 1 yr guaranteed extension to coincide w/ the end of pace's deal

[Susan]

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Big blow to the Packers.

He was out for roughly half of the game against Tampa, Rodgers got sacked 5 times in that game and threw two picks in that game.

Mack, Quinn and the Bears front seven need to have a big game this weekend.

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[The Explorer]

Wow, and he just got done talking all that trash to the bears. Mack has to have a big game. Has to.

[nitetrain8603]

Mack and no one else is going to have a big game. The Packers can put out 5 lawn chairs and the Bears still won't generate pressure because of their DC. He doesn't know how to scheme.

[Chi town]

What a big loss for the Pack.

If there was a ever a time for Nagy to have the team ready to make a big step forward... NOW.

[chitownsalesmen]

Are you guys really drinking the pace/naggy/trubisky kool aid after a few hollow wins beating up on some sorry teams?

Bears fans I'm sorry but you do it to yourselves, buying this late season run as an indicator that the offense has turned a corner is exactly how you wind up with the all-time worst historic QB play in the entire NFL.

Don't believe the hype, Pace has had 5 years to put together a non bottom 10 offense, Trubisky has had 4 seasons to prove himself as a starter and Naggy has had 3 seasons to design a functional offense around Trubisky and instead of going off of the pathetic long term performances you guys want to bring the band back together because they strung together a couple wins against some bad teams.

This is run is a text book example of being a day late and a dollar short, I wouldn't accept this crappy last minute rush job essay and would issue them all their well deserved failing grades at this point, no extensions no extra credit.

[Bandit King]

dont worry bears will miss the playoffs and everyone will get fired.

[Susan]

Are you guys really drinking the pace/naggy/trubisky kool aid after a few hollow wins beating up on some sorry teams?

Bears fans I'm sorry but you do it to yourselves, buying this late season run as an indicator that the offense has turned a corner is exactly how you wind up with the all-time worst historic QB play in the entire NFL.

Don't believe the hype, Pace has had 5 years to put together a non bottom 10 offense, Trubisky has had 4 seasons to prove himself as a starter and Naggy has had 3 seasons to design a functional offense around Trubisky and instead of going off of the pathetic long term performances you guys want to bring the band back together because they strung together a couple wins against some bad teams.

This is run is a text book example of being a day late and a dollar short, I wouldn't accept this crappy last minute rush job essay and would issue them all their well deserved failing grades at this point, no extensions no extra credit.

Ok, what's your plan?

I watch sports to be entertained and to root for my teams. Before Mitch came back I was 100% down with firing Nagy because it was 100% clear that he was struggling to scheme up a good offense with a serious lack of regard for the running game. He stepped back, let Lazor take over and since then we've seen Montomgery play like a pro bowler, the offensive line (which was ravaged by injuries AND a COVID outbreak) has stabilized and they've utilized Mitch in a way that plays to his strengths.

It looks similar to the 2018 offense that Mitch led, except Montgomery is better than Howard and Graham is a better red zone threat as well.

Nobody is saying Mitch is a Rodgers/Mahomes level player - he's clearly in that Cousins/Tannehill/Alex Smith level and it would be smart to sign him to stabilize the position so that this is our baseline going forward. The grass is always greener especially when you see Rodgers/Mahomes on the TV every week but Mitch isn't Cade McNown, Rex Grossman or even Jay Cutler.

[The Explorer]

Are you guys really drinking the pace/naggy/trubisky kool aid after a few hollow wins beating up on some sorry teams?

Bears fans I'm sorry but you do it to yourselves, buying this late season run as an indicator that the offense has turned a corner is exactly how you wind up with the all-time worst historic QB play in the entire NFL.

Don't believe the hype, Pace has had 5 years to put together a non bottom 10 offense, Trubisky has had 4 seasons to prove himself as a starter and Naggy has had 3 seasons to design a functional offense around Trubisky and instead of going off of the pathetic long term performances you guys want to bring the band back together because they strung together a couple wins against some bad teams.

This is run is a text book example of being a day late and a dollar short, I wouldn't accept this crappy last minute rush job essay and would issue them all their well deserved failing grades at this point, no extensions no extra credit.

Ok, what's your plan?

I watch sports to be entertained and to root for my teams. Before Mitch came back I was 100% down with firing Nagy because it was 100% clear that he was struggling to scheme up a good offense with a serious lack of regard for the running game. He stepped back, let Lazor take over and since then we've seen Montomgery play like a pro bowler, the offensive line (which was ravaged by injuries AND a COVID outbreak) has stabilized and they've utilized Mitch in a way that plays to his strengths.

It looks similar to the 2018 offense that Mitch led, except Montgomery is better than Howard and Graham is a better red zone threat as well.

Nobody is saying Mitch is a Rodgers/Mahomes level player - he's clearly in that Cousins/Tannehill/Alex Smith level and it would be smart to sign him to stabilize the position so that this is our baseline going forward. The grass is always greener especially when you see Rodgers/Mahomes on the TV every week but Mitch isn't Cade McNown, Rex Grossman or even Jay Cutler.

+1. Exactly my thoughts. When judging bears quarterbacks, its future to compare them against the rest of the league's qbs. You have to compare them against the history of bears qbs. Trubisky is neither a bad qb nor a great qb.