NBA Trade Thread #2

[JohnnyTapwater]

Here's to Otto increasing his trade value.

[Nate3carp]

You're right. Celtics would have to send back/dump about $7 million in salary to absorb Otto and stay below that hard cap (assuming they make no other moves that add/remove salary).

It's doable but cumbersome. They'd have to cut Javonte Green and trade Teague/Carsen Edwards/Ojeleye.

But then they'd have:

Kemba
Brown
Tatum
Otto
Theis or Tristan Thompson

Marcus Smart as 6th man with some other young guys on the bench. If Otto presumably was playing at his best, that's a real good looking group.

It looks like Nesmith and Langford make exactly the amount that Boston would be over the cap as well. So, it could be a trade of Otto to Boston for Langford/Nesmith (or them routed elsewhere for draft picks). It is kind of crazy how perfectly Otto fits into that trade exception. It's almost like they had Charlotte sign Hayward for that exact amount to create it for him.

True, but I think Boston would be reticent to trade those guys.

I'm sure you're right, as Ainge seems to overvalue all of his players and draft picks.

[TheSuzerain]

In addition to Otto to Celtics, Otto to Dallas makes sense. I can see them going for it in the playoffs.

Otto for James Johnson, Boban, and Tyrell Terry + maybe extra picks if Otto is playing well.

Otto to Spurs one of only other trades that is feasible. Otto for Lamarcus Aldridge (seems like he might be washed up) and some draft capital? But I have no idea what that team is trying to do.

[Pax for Prez]

In addition to Otto to Celtics, Otto to Dallas makes sense. I can see them going for it in the playoffs.

Otto for James Johnson, Boban, and Tyrell Terry + maybe extra picks if Otto is playing well.

Otto to Spurs one of only other trades that is feasible. Otto for Lamarcus Aldridge (seems like he might be washed up) and some draft capital? But I have no idea what that team is trying to do.

I don't think the Spurs will want to part with draft capital.

[Grodoboldo]

A team that could use good PFs is Minnesota.
But I don't think that Lauri would be a good pairing with KAT (I mean, someone should at least try to defend) and Young would be a tough match in salaries. Maybe Hernangomez + Ed Davis (when eligible) and a 2nd rounder.
IDK if Young is better than those guys, tbh, but I think he's a better fit with KAT.

[TheSuzerain]

In addition to Otto to Celtics, Otto to Dallas makes sense. I can see them going for it in the playoffs.

Otto for James Johnson, Boban, and Tyrell Terry + maybe extra picks if Otto is playing well.

Otto to Spurs one of only other trades that is feasible. Otto for Lamarcus Aldridge (seems like he might be washed up) and some draft capital? But I have no idea what that team is trying to do.

I don't think the Spurs will want to part with draft capital.

Yeah they are a stretch.

Celtics/Dallas are the two good destinations for Otto imo.

Need Otto to be healthy and playing well though.

[Pax for Prez]

In addition to Otto to Celtics, Otto to Dallas makes sense. I can see them going for it in the playoffs.

Otto for James Johnson, Boban, and Tyrell Terry + maybe extra picks if Otto is playing well.

Otto to Spurs one of only other trades that is feasible. Otto for Lamarcus Aldridge (seems like he might be washed up) and some draft capital? But I have no idea what that team is trying to do.

I don't think the Spurs will want to part with draft capital.

Yeah they are a stretch.

Celtics/Dallas are the two good destinations for Otto imo.

Need Otto to be healthy and playing well though.

Two other Otto contract items:

Otto Porter: He receives half his salary upfront at the start of each season, according to Fred Katz.
Otto Porter's contract includes a 15 percent trade bonus, according to Eric Pincus.

[Grodoboldo]

In addition to Otto to Celtics, Otto to Dallas makes sense. I can see them going for it in the playoffs.

Otto for James Johnson, Boban, and Tyrell Terry + maybe extra picks if Otto is playing well.

Otto to Spurs one of only other trades that is feasible. Otto for Lamarcus Aldridge (seems like he might be washed up) and some draft capital? But I have no idea what that team is trying to do.

I don't think the Spurs will want to part with draft capital.

Yeah they are a stretch.

Celtics/Dallas are the two good destinations for Otto imo.

Need Otto to be healthy and playing well though.

Otto would be a very good match for that horrendous Wiggins contract, but I don't see the Warriors motivated enough to part with any assets.

[TheSuzerain]

I don't think the Spurs will want to part with draft capital.

Yeah they are a stretch.

Celtics/Dallas are the two good destinations for Otto imo.

Need Otto to be healthy and playing well though.

Two other Otto contract items:

Otto Porter: He receives half his salary upfront at the start of each season, according to Fred Katz.
Otto Porter's contract includes a 15 percent trade bonus, according to Eric Pincus.

What an absurd contract. Maybe we can't deal him then.

I forgot he got the max due to a Nets offer sheet. Thus the ridiculous clauses like the above.

Would he already have gotten the trade bonus though because he was traded to us?

[TheSuzerain]

I don't think the Spurs will want to part with draft capital.

Yeah they are a stretch.

Celtics/Dallas are the two good destinations for Otto imo.

Need Otto to be healthy and playing well though.

Otto would be a very good match for that horrendous Wiggins contract, but I don't see the Warriors motivated enough to part with any assets.

They are a good match. I actually do see them as motivated to part with assets. Steph is not down for continued losing.

I love the idea of Lavine and Sato to Golden State for Wiggins + significant draft capital ('21 MN 1st + more).

[Grodoboldo]

Yeah they are a stretch.

Celtics/Dallas are the two good destinations for Otto imo.

Need Otto to be healthy and playing well though.

Otto would be a very good match for that horrendous Wiggins contract, but I don't see the Warriors motivated enough to part with any assets.

They are a good match. I actually do see them as motivated to part with assets. Steph is not down for continued losing.

I love the idea of Lavine and Sato to Golden State for Wiggins + significant draft capital ('21 MN 1st + more).

They can trade their 21' pick if it's 1-20. But after that, if I'm not mistaken, only their 26' own or some pick swaps.

[TheSuzerain]

Otto would be a very good match for that horrendous Wiggins contract, but I don't see the Warriors motivated enough to part with any assets.

They are a good match. I actually do see them as motivated to part with assets. Steph is not down for continued losing.

I love the idea of Lavine and Sato to Golden State for Wiggins + significant draft capital ('21 MN 1st + more).

They can trade their 21' pick if it's 1-20. But after that, if I'm not mistaken, only their 26' own or some pick swaps.

That's correct. Although getting their '26 might be a bit conditional because of how protections on their already traded '24 are set up.

Still, I think the MN pick is the prize.

[weneeda2guard]

Porter jr knew he was about to go to the bench tried to get one more shot off before he sat lol

[weneeda2guard]

I'm all for development. But we had a line up that actually had something going and right after that temple 3 donovan starts shuffling. We can criticize the players yea but all the line up changes play a role in getting this cold

[cedric76]

What about

Otto +Gafford + pick for Gordon +aminu?

[Grodoboldo]

If the Wizards continue to suck this badly (and having watched the game last night I think that's a pretty reasonable bet), Beal is gonna be on the market. That diminishes LaVine's value, because he is (perceived as) an inferior player.

[PlayerUp]

Denver loaded with assets as well. Another team we should explore talks with.

Plenty of teams to work with out there for Otto, Lavine and others. Just have to work the phones and get something done.

[Nate3carp]

If the Wizards continue to suck this badly (and having watched the game last night I think that's a pretty reasonable bet), Beal is gonna be on the market. That diminishes LaVine's value, because he is (perceived as) an inferior player.

I was thinking this last night too. Probably no team that has the assets for Beal will trade for Lavine until they know for sure that Beal is not a possibility. I thought the Wiz were going to be a good team, but they aren't close to gelling yet.

[sco]

If the Wizards continue to suck this badly (and having watched the game last night I think that's a pretty reasonable bet), Beal is gonna be on the market. That diminishes LaVine's value, because he is (perceived as) an inferior player.

I was thinking this last night too. Probably no team that has the assets for Beal will trade for Lavine until they know for sure that Beal is not a possibility. I thought the Wiz were going to be a good team, but they aren't close to gelling yet.

I just don't see us trading Zach in a "bag of magic beans" (i.e. a young decent player and a couple of future 1sts in the teens or 20's). I'd consider guys with #1 option potential like MPJ or maybe Herro, and definitely a guy like Simmons. Zach is showing me improved defense and less chucking this year...I want guys who continue to improve every year because they are obviously doing something right in how they prepare and it has a contagious effect on young guys. We had that with Deng who passed it along to Taj and Butler.

I would love to find a way to deal for Monte Morris in Denver or Rubio in Minn. Other than Simmons, those guys would be great for us.

[Grodoboldo]

If the Wizards continue to suck this badly (and having watched the game last night I think that's a pretty reasonable bet), Beal is gonna be on the market. That diminishes LaVine's value, because he is (perceived as) an inferior player.

I was thinking this last night too. Probably no team that has the assets for Beal will trade for Lavine until they know for sure that Beal is not a possibility. I thought the Wiz were going to be a good team, but they aren't close to gelling yet.

I just don't see us trading Zach in a "bag of magic beans" (i.e. a young decent player and a couple of future 1sts in the teens or 20's). I'd consider guys with #1 option potential like MPJ or maybe Herro, and definitely a guy like Simmons. Zach is showing me improved defense and less chucking this year...I want guys who continue to improve every year because they are obviously doing something right in how they prepare and it has a contagious effect on young guys. We had that with Deng who passed it along to Taj and Butler.

I would love to find a way to deal for Monte Morris in Denver or Rubio in Minn. Other than Simmons, those guys would be great for us.

I understand your point of view, but I'd be completely fine with a bag of beans package for Zach. I'm pretty sure that if we don't trade him, he's leaving in two years. And even if he isn't, he'll be looking for that 30+mil/year that he probably deserves, but that I wouldn't be willing to pay with this roster.
Just as examples of the type of player I'm talking about (not necessarily realistic targets), I'd probably be willing to deal him for one of Troy Brown Jr / Sekou Doumbouya/ Tyrese Haliburton / Jarrett Culver + a lightly protected 1st rounder.