Tank World Order

[Southward1]

here come the exaggerations of guys in the NCAA by people who will see them 3-4 times all-year tops

[Steelo Green]

I'd keep FVV. All this talk about not knowing how to run an offense.....there IS no offense right now. OG only hits open 3s. Pascal is struggling pretty seriously. Baynes isn't really an option.

Kyle takes huge risks to get layups which sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. But the PG's job is not limited to getting layups and easy buckets. It's to identify favorable matchups and assess risk/reward options. FVV runs an offense fine. He's not gonna thrive when there's no offense to use. Kyle's more suited to that.

There's situations where you want a kyle (ie when you don't have any iso players and you need to take risks to generate easy buckets) and situations where you want a FVV (when you have iso players and need someone to set them up to succeed).

Fred does not run an offense well at all.

Kyle is one of the best playmakers in the NBA. How do you think a player who isn’t that athletic got this far?

He’s a great playmaker and floor general.

Fred runs around never knowing what to do if he isn’t out there to score a three or brick layups.

Today without Kyle the team was a mess. Kyle as usual was the only positive player (+14 at that) meanwhile Kyle and Pascal were both big time negatives.

PG is the deepest position in the NBA, Fred as I said a few months ago is a middle of the pack PG and now an overpaid one at that.

I will deal with the 'can't run an offense' narrative regarding Fred in the coming days. But it's groupthink derived from casual ball fans who don't know what they're watching.

In 21/22 philly will have 98 million dedicated to 3 of their starters tonight. In 22/23 it will be 104.

We got 66 dedicated to our core 3 in 21/22. And they making 71 in 22/23.

We are not nearly as doomed as u make it to be.

I see so because you say so others are casual fans but you’re not?

What’s a causal fan anyways? Someone who watches sometimes? Sometimes who watched in recent years? Someone who watches but doesn’t understand?

Give me some proof of Fred being a good playmaker. It’s accepted by virtually everyone.

It’s ironic that someone claiming others are casuals is making Kyle seem a selfish and bad playmaker looking for his own whereas Fred, in your, and this may be your literal own, opinion is a good playmaker, even better than Kyle.

I hope you don’t use assists per game for a ball handling guard as a measure of a good passer, or do you think when Vasquez led the NBA in assists that he was a top 5 passer too?

Fred is a mediocre playmaker and as usual last three games it’s been our one true playmaker who has been carrying the rest and yesterday was another prime example of Fred’s shot not falling and him being basically useless on the floor.

Doom and gloom with regard to talent though yes. Having your cap space full or not depends on the talent there.

Love or hate Simmons but he’s a better trade chip than we have and if Philly would smart, they would cash him in on Harden and he and Embiid would be a deadly duo.

[Pooh_Jeter]

This message is approved by the tank world order brother.

HOOO THE HULKSTER IS BACK!

I have a feeling this version of the TWO will be the strongest of all time.

No regrets, let's get Chet in 2022!

[Son Goku 25]

Cade seems really slow for the next level. Gimme any superstar though.

[TheFutureMM]

Cade seems really slow for the next level. Gimme any superstar though.

Same. I get Evan Turner vibes from him (not that I would be against drafting him haha).

I like Suggs and Mobley though.

[Mikistan]

It's been a long time coming, but Raptors fans we are back! Join the movement before the bandwagon fills up.

Can I interest you in a Jalen Suggs, Cade Cunningham, Jonathan Kuminga or Evan Mobley?

Let's see those TWO memes and maybe, just maybe we can see a return of the Hulkster.

[JN]

here come the exaggerations of guys in the NCAA by people who will see them 3-4 times all-year tops

The 2012 (?) thread was the last real active one I remember. At this time of year it was all about Perry Jones!!!!! We need to get Perry Jones!!!!

[YogurtProducer]

here come the exaggerations of guys in the NCAA by people who will see them 3-4 times all-year tops

The 2012 (?) thread was the last real active one I remember. At this time of year it was all about Perry Jones!!!!! We need to get Perry Jones!!!!

Don't forget the Wiggins draft!! "even if we miss on Wiggins there is so much franchise altering talent! Parker, Exum, Gordon, Randle, ALL could be franchise changign!"

[YogurtProducer]

I think the point which seems to go over everyone's head is, consistent lottery picks will likely deem a true franchise cornerstone, and the worse the record, the better the pick. If we are going and don't think this core or anyone in it is it, just blow it all up.

I don't think Fred, Pascal or OG are guys you must move forward with, but OG with his contract and age I would be willing to keep him. The other two you pretty much know what you get.

Pascal seemingly as his usage went up went from a swiss army knife to Demar 2.0 who plays good D.

2-3 top 10 picks with Masai, Bobby and Dan and I am confident they hit on at least one player, and the worse the record, the better the pick, so why not.

Plus I think most of us on pro sell the assets and get back into the draft know this thread was made tongue in cheek reminiscent to the Tank for Wiggins bandwagon.

It's a forum, we're just having fun, it isn't that serious

I'd keep FVV. All this talk about not knowing how to run an offense.....there IS no offense right now. OG only hits open 3s. Pascal is struggling pretty seriously. Baynes isn't really an option.

Kyle takes huge risks to get layups which sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. But the PG's job is not limited to getting layups and easy buckets. It's to identify favorable matchups and assess risk/reward options. FVV runs an offense fine. He's not gonna thrive when there's no offense to use. Kyle's more suited to that.

There's situations where you want a kyle (ie when you don't have any iso players and you need to take risks to generate easy buckets) and situations where you want a FVV (when you have iso players and need someone to set them up to succeed).

Fred does not run an offense well at all.

Kyle is one of the best playmakers in the NBA. How do you think a player who isn’t that athletic got this far?

He’s a great playmaker and floor general.

Fred runs around never knowing what to do if he isn’t out there to score a three or brick layups.

Today without Kyle the team was a mess. Kyle as usual was the only positive player (+14 at that) meanwhile Kyle and Pascal were both big time negatives.

PG is the deepest position in the NBA, Fred as I said a few months ago is a middle of the pack PG and now an overpaid one at that.

I agree but lumping Siakan in the negative is not fair. His numbers when its Siakam/Lowry and no FVV are fine, but the FVV/Siakam is bad and IMO is mostly because FVV cannot run an offense to save his **** life. Hes an undersized 2 guard, and we need to start viewing him as such.

FVV should ALWAYS have one of Lowry, TD, or Flynn on the court with him because I hate watching FVV not pass the ball and then drive and get blocked over, and over, and over.

Where are the people who said FVV's inability to do anything but shoot 3s was not a problem

[MixxSRC]

I want tall wing players. I don't wanna build around power forward or point guard. Future is in Small Forwards with skill.

[Anticon]

here come the exaggerations of guys in the NCAA by people who will see them 3-4 times all-year tops

The 2012 (?) thread was the last real active one I remember. At this time of year it was all about Perry Jones!!!!! We need to get Perry Jones!!!!

Don't forget the Wiggins draft!! "even if we miss on Wiggins there is so much franchise altering talent! Parker, Exum, Gordon, Randle, ALL could be franchise changign!"

2014 draft was so cursed.

[Pooh_Jeter]

Honestly, I haven't done a deep dive into the prospects yet, especially the G League guys, just know that as the draft season approaches I got you guys.

I have a track record.

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Kawhi has always had a special place in my heart, even when he was a prospect.

[Steelo Green]

I'd keep FVV. All this talk about not knowing how to run an offense.....there IS no offense right now. OG only hits open 3s. Pascal is struggling pretty seriously. Baynes isn't really an option.

Kyle takes huge risks to get layups which sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. But the PG's job is not limited to getting layups and easy buckets. It's to identify favorable matchups and assess risk/reward options. FVV runs an offense fine. He's not gonna thrive when there's no offense to use. Kyle's more suited to that.

There's situations where you want a kyle (ie when you don't have any iso players and you need to take risks to generate easy buckets) and situations where you want a FVV (when you have iso players and need someone to set them up to succeed).

Fred does not run an offense well at all.

Kyle is one of the best playmakers in the NBA. How do you think a player who isn’t that athletic got this far?

He’s a great playmaker and floor general.

Fred runs around never knowing what to do if he isn’t out there to score a three or brick layups.

Today without Kyle the team was a mess. Kyle as usual was the only positive player (+14 at that) meanwhile Kyle and Pascal were both big time negatives.

PG is the deepest position in the NBA, Fred as I said a few months ago is a middle of the pack PG and now an overpaid one at that.

I agree but lumping Siakan in the negative is not fair. His numbers when its Siakam/Lowry and no FVV are fine, but the FVV/Siakam is bad and IMO is mostly because FVV cannot run an offense to save his **** life. Hes an undersized 2 guard, and we need to start viewing him as such.

FVV should ALWAYS have one of Lowry, TD, or Flynn on the court with him because I hate watching FVV not pass the ball and then drive and get blocked over, and over, and over.

Where are the people who said FVV's inability to do anything but shoot 3s was not a problem

If Fred was a great playmaker then last year with Kyle an already great playmaker would make them a top ten O but as we all know, our half court O really struggled.

I think we defer on Pascal personally. I used to be on his camp but his D doesn’t make up for the fact he has fallen off a cliff with his O. Last 6 minutes of Pascal were embarrassing, Kyle or not.

It looks like his game has been figured out and his talent / skill isn’t enough to overcome it.

Hope I’m wrong, he was such a fun player to watch when we had Kawhi and most of last year but the bubble issues look extended.

[Mikistan]

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[Mikistan]

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[Mikistan]

tank tank tank world order

could we sticky this thread? would be a good place to aggregate stats and graphics and overall discussion for the pick race etc and attempt to clean up the board?

[Pooh_Jeter]

We need TurboZone to come out of retirement or a new graphics wizard to photoshop Siakam and FVV into all these memes. Masai deserves some love too.

[Danny1616]

Honestly, I haven't done a deep dive into the prospects yet, especially the G League guys, just know that as the draft season approaches I got you guys.

I have a track record.

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Kawhi has always had a special place in my heart, even when he was a prospect.

You also said this in 2012.

Even though it's a small sample size, the way Bargnani has been playing so far this season he is nearly untouchable IMO. For whatever reason, his game has really clicked under Casey. Tyreke still has more value than Bargs, but he has his own question marks.

It's funny how people still say Bargnani is no better than Frye/Anderson or another Okur. His post defense has always been pretty solid and this season his overall defensive game has been quite good. His rebounding is still not good enough, but his strengths far outweigh his weaknesses right now.

Offensively there are very few bigman who have the offensive repertoire he has. Not only does he have great range on his shot, but he has a great face up game and finishes around the basket creatively and efficiently. His post game has consistently improved over the last few seasons and his passing ability is underrated.

As talented as Tyreke is, there are a lot more guards of his ilk out there than there are big men who can do what Bargnani can. His contract is also pretty favourable. Like I said, Tyreke has more value than Bargs, but considering his play this season it would have to be an absolute sure thing for me to consider dealing Bargnani.

Oh and you claimed Brooklyn would beat us in 7 in the bubble.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Honestly, I haven't done a deep dive into the prospects yet, especially the G League guys, just know that as the draft season approaches I got you guys.

I have a track record.

viewtopic.php?t=1113456

Kawhi has always had a special place in my heart, even when he was a prospect.

but off the top of your head, who you got?

[Pooh_Jeter]

Honestly, I haven't done a deep dive into the prospects yet, especially the G League guys, just know that as the draft season approaches I got you guys.

I have a track record.

viewtopic.php?t=1113456

Kawhi has always had a special place in my heart, even when he was a prospect.

but off the top of your head, who you got?

I've really liked what I have seen from Cade so far. That combo of size and skill is super intriguing and when you can do that as a potential lead ball handler it's nice. Again, it's early though, I certainly haven't been breaking down tape.