Official 2020-21 Season Thread #1: To Beard or not To Beard?

[Arsenal]

Tobias Harris 4 games playing bad
17.3ppg 8rpg 2.5apg 1.3spg 1.3bpg 45FG% 40 3pt% 90FT%

Just imagine how much better he is once he gets out of this slump.

Check the game threads, this gets talked about a lot. Those numbers get inflated during inconsequential parts of games, especially when losing to the Cavs.

His scoring and his FG% is actually below his average compared to last year.

I think the real issue is..

After Tobias and Biid, you’re scorers are..

Ben 14ppg
Seth 14ppg
Shake 10ppg

Those 3 have got to step up if we’re looking to win the championship. If not, carry on.

I think that overall Tobi has been decent this year. Trending to hopefully be better than last year. That said, we NEED him to put up a consistent 20ppg at close to 60% TS. 17ppg on decent efficiency isn't enough. Considering how everyone is starting slow thus far, I am optimistic he can provide that.

17+ppg from Ben is also needed.

[Arsenal]

Beal and LaVine should both want out soon with how terrible their teams are. Additional options for us aside from Harden.

[sixers hoops]

Someone made a good point in the Sixers subreddit. Need to stagger Tobi and Jo as much as possible. Tobi sucked w/Jo on the floor last year and was much better without him. Happened again w/him playing well vs. CLE.

Hopefully Doc sees this and tries it out. They should only play about 18-20 mins together (the minimum), and Tobi should have about 15+ mins without Jo in which time the offense should run through him.

Except, and this brings us back to why the deal was so awful in the first place... Tobias is not good enough to have the offense run through him. And he's a guy that needs to dribble to get in rhythm, he's not a natural catch and shoot player.

You attach a 1st and a 2nd and you trade him for almost anything (key word being almost, they shouldn't be taking back Andrew Wiggins for example), and this team will be better.

The other guy they really need to upgrade is Mike Scott. Dude has been basura for over a year now.

Agree, but what's done is done. Need to make the best of it and try to pump Tobi's value. He has more games like last night and maybe we don't need to bleed assets to move him.

True. And to not bleed assets we prob need to wait another year. By trade deadline next year, which is only 13 months away, he will be halfway through his contract. At least Tobias is a useful player, and already worked in with our team in a shortened season. No reason to pay to dump him now, but as the contract gets shorter, and if he plays better, his value can only go up.

[Arsenal]

Hopefully Lowry comes on the market as well. We're going to need one of these guys if we want to make a legit run at a title:

1) Harden
2) Beal
3) LaVine
4) Lowry

[FireMorey]

Beal and LaVine should both want out soon with how terrible their teams are. Additional options for us aside from Harden.

Problem is only Harden is worth trading Simmons for and you’d have to trade him to get anyone all-star caliber. I mean I’d probably trade Simmons for Beal, but it’s certainly not the coup getting Harden would be and I don’t think Beal is good enough to make you East favorites like Harden could be.

The Sixers are in a tough spot because the best thing they could offer for someone without giving up Simmons is Maxey, Thybulle, Milton and picks. And other teams could easily beat that kind of offer if they want a guy like Beal.


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[youngcrev]

Tobias Harris 4 games playing bad
17.3ppg 8rpg 2.5apg 1.3spg 1.3bpg 45FG% 40 3pt% 90FT%

Just imagine how much better he is once he gets out of this slump.

So even at unsustainable FT and 3pt%s on a lower scoring volume, his TS% is still floating around league average

Maybe he should figure out a way to take more of both of those things.

[Sixersftw]

Beal and LaVine should both want out soon with how terrible their teams are. Additional options for us aside from Harden.

Problem is only Harden is worth trading Simmons for and you’d have to trade him to get anyone all-star caliber. I mean I’d probably trade Simmons for Beal, but it’s certainly not the coup getting Harden would be and I don’t think Beal is good enough to make you East favorites like Harden could be.

The Sixers are in a tough spot because the best thing they could offer for someone without giving up Simmons is Maxey, Thybulle, Milton and picks. And other teams could easily beat that kind of offer if they want a guy like Beal.

I think Beal makes you the co favorites with the Nets. It has all of the appeal of the Harden trade with less baggage and a better age range but less upside. I'd do either trade right now.

[agiaco]

Beal and LaVine should both want out soon with how terrible their teams are. Additional options for us aside from Harden.

Problem is only Harden is worth trading Simmons for and you’d have to trade him to get anyone all-star caliber. I mean I’d probably trade Simmons for Beal, but it’s certainly not the coup getting Harden would be and I don’t think Beal is good enough to make you East favorites like Harden could be.

The Sixers are in a tough spot because the best thing they could offer for someone without giving up Simmons is Maxey, Thybulle, Milton and picks. And other teams could easily beat that kind of offer if they want a guy like Beal.

I think Beal makes you the co favorites with the Nets. It has all of the appeal of the Harden trade with less baggage and a better age range but less upside. I'd do either trade right now.

Much prefer Harden. I'd be open to it but James elevates the team more.

[Mik317]

Honestly, nothing done this year will elevate us to a championship contender IMO. So all of these ideas of just tossing away future picks and such feels like people have not learned the lessons of previous years.

The sad reality is that due to those same past mistakes, this team is not one move away. That includes Harden. He would make the team a lot better for sure and if you can do a Simmons for him swap....then yeah you do it. But this idea that he alone changes things confuses me a lot.

The past regime **** us and to **** us its going to take time and a lot of moves.

[Sportfan73]

Honestly, nothing done this year will elevate us to a championship contender IMO. So all of these ideas of just tossing away future picks and such feels like people have not learned the lessons of previous years.

The sad reality is that due to those same past mistakes, this team is not one move away. That includes Harden. He would make the team a lot better for sure and if you can do a Simmons for him swap....then yeah you do it. But this idea that he alone changes things confuses me a lot.

The past regime **** us and to **** us its going to take time and a lot of moves.

I completely disagree with this. It’s not like we are in the landscape of the prime warriors with Kd are happening and we have no chance, getting James gives us a great chance at a chip, look around the league

[agiaco]

Honestly, nothing done this year will elevate us to a championship contender IMO. So all of these ideas of just tossing away future picks and such feels like people have not learned the lessons of previous years.

The sad reality is that due to those same past mistakes, this team is not one move away. That includes Harden. He would make the team a lot better for sure and if you can do a Simmons for him swap....then yeah you do it. But this idea that he alone changes things confuses me a lot.

The past regime **** us and to **** us its going to take time and a lot of moves.

I completely disagree with this. It’s not like we are in the landscape of the prime warriors with Kd are happening and we have no chance, getting James gives us a great chance at a chip, look around the league

I second your disagreement. There are risks involved in any move, but the potential reward from acquiring James Harden is a no-brainer. Sitting on your hands and doing nothing is what doesn't elevate you to a championship. This team spent years trying to acquire top talent by tanking. It's time to trade for the top talent and pair him with Embiid before it's too late.

[eyeatoma]

Yeah gotta disagree as well Mik. Just because you don't think this will get us the championship, you should still make the move. This gets us closer than ever before. We may be able to get rid of Tobias a little later. Simmons is what he is, and he is clearly not enough. With Harden, we would lack defense, but we'd still be top 10 with Embiid manning the middle.

[ProcessDoctor]

Which is better: Harden (without Simmons) or Simmons plus LaVine?

Edit: The fact that I'm even asking this shows how much confidence I have in Simmons

[Sixerscan]

Honestly, nothing done this year will elevate us to a championship contender IMO. So all of these ideas of just tossing away future picks and such feels like people have not learned the lessons of previous years.

The sad reality is that due to those same past mistakes, this team is not one move away. That includes Harden. He would make the team a lot better for sure and if you can do a Simmons for him swap....then yeah you do it. But this idea that he alone changes things confuses me a lot.

The past regime **** us and to **** us its going to take time and a lot of moves.

Yeah people just aren't being realistic about the rest of this roster. It would need to be overhauled to fit around Harden. There's no time to do that in-season.

We did the Frankenstein thing with the 2019 team, it's fun and all but the lack of cohesion held that team back.

And that's not even getting into the merits of Harden the player and his underwhelming playoff success.

They've remade this team like 5 times in the last 3 years, just hope they are patient for once.

[agiaco]

Honestly, nothing done this year will elevate us to a championship contender IMO. So all of these ideas of just tossing away future picks and such feels like people have not learned the lessons of previous years.

The sad reality is that due to those same past mistakes, this team is not one move away. That includes Harden. He would make the team a lot better for sure and if you can do a Simmons for him swap....then yeah you do it. But this idea that he alone changes things confuses me a lot.

The past regime **** us and to **** us its going to take time and a lot of moves.

Yeah people just aren't being realistic about the rest of this roster. It would need to be overhauled to fit around Harden. There's no time to do that in-season.

We did the Frankenstein thing with the 2019 team, it's fun and all but the lack of cohesion held that team back.

And that's not even getting into the merits of Harden the player and his underwhelming playoff success.

They've remade this team like 5 times in the last 3 years, just hope they are patient for once.

Please tell me how you think this current roster has a realistic chance of competing as it stands. The NBA is more competitive than ever. The east overall is better and deeper than the 2019 playoff run and this current squad is easily worse overall than that team. The SIxers have to get past the likes of the Bucks, Nets, Celtics, Heat. Hell even the Pacers and Raptors still.

The team's identity is live or die with Embiid. The Sixers desperately need a guy that can elevate them to making the finals. I'm not convinced at all that this team is built to even get through the semifinals.

If you really think the "rest of the roster" is going to shake up a lot if the likes of Matisse Thybulle and Tyrese Maxey are traded with Ben, then I won't bother to continue.

[LoneyROY]

Honestly, nothing done this year will elevate us to a championship contender IMO. So all of these ideas of just tossing away future picks and such feels like people have not learned the lessons of previous years.

The sad reality is that due to those same past mistakes, this team is not one move away. That includes Harden. He would make the team a lot better for sure and if you can do a Simmons for him swap....then yeah you do it. But this idea that he alone changes things confuses me a lot.

The past regime **** us and to **** us its going to take time and a lot of moves.

Yeah people just aren't being realistic about the rest of this roster. It would need to be overhauled to fit around Harden. There's no time to do that in-season.

We did the Frankenstein thing with the 2019 team, it's fun and all but the lack of cohesion held that team back.

And that's not even getting into the merits of Harden the player and his underwhelming playoff success.

They've remade this team like 5 times in the last 3 years, just hope they are patient for once.

The team doesn't need to be overhauled at all, Harden slots in perfectly with the Sixers line-up minus Ben.

Harden
Curry
Green
Tobias
Embiid

And if you get back PJ, while giving up Thybulle and Maxey...you have a bench of Tucker, Milton, Howard, Korkmaz, and Mike Scott. Thats a Finals' contender immediately.

[fl311]

Nothing new on the trade front. Still in wait and see mode. Wont be around for the next few days. Happy New Year!

[Sixerscan]

Honestly, nothing done this year will elevate us to a championship contender IMO. So all of these ideas of just tossing away future picks and such feels like people have not learned the lessons of previous years.

The sad reality is that due to those same past mistakes, this team is not one move away. That includes Harden. He would make the team a lot better for sure and if you can do a Simmons for him swap....then yeah you do it. But this idea that he alone changes things confuses me a lot.

The past regime **** us and to **** us its going to take time and a lot of moves.

Yeah people just aren't being realistic about the rest of this roster. It would need to be overhauled to fit around Harden. There's no time to do that in-season.

We did the Frankenstein thing with the 2019 team, it's fun and all but the lack of cohesion held that team back.

And that's not even getting into the merits of Harden the player and his underwhelming playoff success.

They've remade this team like 5 times in the last 3 years, just hope they are patient for once.

Please tell me how you think this current roster has a realistic chance of competing as it stands. The NBA is more competitive than ever. The east overall is better and deeper than the 2019 playoff run and this current squad is easily worse overall than that team. The SIxers have to get past the likes of the Bucks, Nets, Celtics, Heat. Hell even the Pacers and Raptors still.

The team's identity is live or die with Embiid. The Sixers desperately need a guy that can elevate them to making the finals. I'm not convinced at all that this team is built to even get through the semifinals.

If you really think the "rest of the roster" is going to shake up a lot if the likes of Matisse Thybulle and Tyrese Maxey are traded with Ben, then I won't bother to continue.

Like Mik said, I don't think it does. I think pretending that Harden allows them to compete is much more dangerous than waiting for another opportunity (whether that's trading Simmons or otherwise) and making changes around the roster to get it in a better position.

I agree the 2019 team was better than this one. It would probably be better than the team with Harden too.

[zaz102]

Yeah people just aren't being realistic about the rest of this roster. It would need to be overhauled to fit around Harden. There's no time to do that in-season.

We did the Frankenstein thing with the 2019 team, it's fun and all but the lack of cohesion held that team back.

And that's not even getting into the merits of Harden the player and his underwhelming playoff success.

They've remade this team like 5 times in the last 3 years, just hope they are patient for once.

Please tell me how you think this current roster has a realistic chance of competing as it stands. The NBA is more competitive than ever. The east overall is better and deeper than the 2019 playoff run and this current squad is easily worse overall than that team. The SIxers have to get past the likes of the Bucks, Nets, Celtics, Heat. Hell even the Pacers and Raptors still.

The team's identity is live or die with Embiid. The Sixers desperately need a guy that can elevate them to making the finals. I'm not convinced at all that this team is built to even get through the semifinals.

If you really think the "rest of the roster" is going to shake up a lot if the likes of Matisse Thybulle and Tyrese Maxey are traded with Ben, then I won't bother to continue.

Like Mik said, I don't think it does. I think pretending that Harden allows them to compete is much more dangerous than waiting for another opportunity (whether that's trading Simmons or otherwise) and making changes around the roster to get it in a better position.

I agree the 2019 team was better than this one. It would probably be better than the team with Harden too.

Impatience and desperation keeps biting this team in the ass.

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[sixers hoops]

Honestly, nothing done this year will elevate us to a championship contender IMO. So all of these ideas of just tossing away future picks and such feels like people have not learned the lessons of previous years.

The sad reality is that due to those same past mistakes, this team is not one move away. That includes Harden. He would make the team a lot better for sure and if you can do a Simmons for him swap....then yeah you do it. But this idea that he alone changes things confuses me a lot.

The past regime **** us and to **** us its going to take time and a lot of moves.

You said “tossing away first round picks.” Are you against Simmons for Harden straight-up?

I think it’s a different conversation with every trade package we discuss, but I would do Simmons for Harden straight up. I think Harden is so good that they can just slot him in with guys like Tobias, Green, Shake, and Embiid, and we would be significantly better this year in the playoffs.

If you think we will be a top 3 or 4 team in the mix with Lakers, Clips, Bucks, Heat for the title, it’s worth the shot. If not, you’re just trading an extremely valuable player for Harden’s declining years. I think we have enough around Embiid and Harden to get close. I’m not great at projecting teams on paper. When we got Chris Weber, I thought we were the odds on favorite to win a chip.