Tank World Order

[Steelo Green]

Honestly, I haven't done a deep dive into the prospects yet, especially the G League guys, just know that as the draft season approaches I got you guys.

I have a track record.

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Kawhi has always had a special place in my heart, even when he was a prospect.

You also said this in 2012.

Even though it's a small sample size, the way Bargnani has been playing so far this season he is nearly untouchable IMO. For whatever reason, his game has really clicked under Casey. Tyreke still has more value than Bargs, but he has his own question marks.

It's funny how people still say Bargnani is no better than Frye/Anderson or another Okur. His post defense has always been pretty solid and this season his overall defensive game has been quite good. His rebounding is still not good enough, but his strengths far outweigh his weaknesses right now.

Offensively there are very few bigman who have the offensive repertoire he has. Not only does he have great range on his shot, but he has a great face up game and finishes around the basket creatively and efficiently. His post game has consistently improved over the last few seasons and his passing ability is underrated.

As talented as Tyreke is, there are a lot more guards of his ilk out there than there are big men who can do what Bargnani can. His contract is also pretty favourable. Like I said, Tyreke has more value than Bargs, but considering his play this season it would have to be an absolute sure thing for me to consider dealing Bargnani.

Oh and you claimed Brooklyn would beat us in 7 in the bubble.

Predictions are wrong daily. General Managers who make millions of dollars pick draft busts.

However, history is unequivocally true, and the lie and thread about top three picks not staying with their teams or winning titles over the last 30 years and then changing parameters and goalposts whenever confronted is lying about facts not predictions.

You didn’t even know the Heat tanked for Beasley and thought it was about Malik Beasley.

You thought Donovan Mitchell was a second rounder.

You said Kawhi and Kyle barely played together.

So yes - post more predictions in my last 8 years posting here, I’m sure you will find more, but facts about history, I either am right about or I don’t have so much insecurity about myself that I can admit my wrongness.

[anotherhomer]

so the question, is the 2021 draft as good as ppl say it is?
when you take a closer look, it seems like there are question marks for each prospects

[Danny1616]

Honestly, I haven't done a deep dive into the prospects yet, especially the G League guys, just know that as the draft season approaches I got you guys.

I have a track record.

viewtopic.php?t=1113456

Kawhi has always had a special place in my heart, even when he was a prospect.

You also said this in 2012.

Even though it's a small sample size, the way Bargnani has been playing so far this season he is nearly untouchable IMO. For whatever reason, his game has really clicked under Casey. Tyreke still has more value than Bargs, but he has his own question marks.

It's funny how people still say Bargnani is no better than Frye/Anderson or another Okur. His post defense has always been pretty solid and this season his overall defensive game has been quite good. His rebounding is still not good enough, but his strengths far outweigh his weaknesses right now.

Offensively there are very few bigman who have the offensive repertoire he has. Not only does he have great range on his shot, but he has a great face up game and finishes around the basket creatively and efficiently. His post game has consistently improved over the last few seasons and his passing ability is underrated.

As talented as Tyreke is, there are a lot more guards of his ilk out there than there are big men who can do what Bargnani can. His contract is also pretty favourable. Like I said, Tyreke has more value than Bargs, but considering his play this season it would have to be an absolute sure thing for me to consider dealing Bargnani.

Oh and you claimed Brooklyn would beat us in 7 in the bubble.

Predictions are wrong daily. General Managers who make millions of dollars pick draft busts.

However, history is unequivocally true, and the lie and thread about top three picks not staying with their teams or winning titles over the last 30 years and then changing parameters and goalposts whenever confronted is lying about facts not predictions.

You didn’t even know the Heat tanked for Beasley and thought it was about Malik Beasley.

You thought Donovan Mitchell was a second rounder.

You said Kawhi and Kyle barely played together.

So yes - post more predictions in my last 8 years posting here, I’m sure you will find more, but facts about history, I either am right about or I don’t have so much insecurity about myself that I can admit my wrongness.

You couldn't understand the parameters when it was clearly defined. To appease you because you are such a snowflake I had to make it crystal clear beyond any doubt because you seem to have the reading comprehension skills of an elementary school student. From the beginning I listed all the draft picks from 2000 and for you I even went back to 1990. Are you that stupid not to be able to read the original post and see that I was obviously referring to draft picks since 1990.

1) The poster was referring to both the Nuggets and the Heat. You realize I'm responding on my cell phone right, so it's not like I'm carefully reading every single word of an essay someone writes. What I said was true about the Nuggets, but I missed the part he was referring to the Heat and Beasley. I clearly clarified that I missed it in the subsequent post.

2) I explicitly said I was wrong about Mitchell, but the point was still correct referring to guys like Jokic who got drafted late. It was also correct that Utah had a decent season the year they got Mitchell AND TRADED for Mitchell, further supporting my argument that tanking isn't the end all.

3) Kawhi and Kyle did not play together much in the first half of the season, that's not incorrect. Kawhi missed 22 games due to load management and Kyle also missed 17 games due to a back injury, missing all of December. I was making a quick estimation in a thread that was about which regular season we enjoyed more so I don't even know how that is relevant. I explained my reasoning, you are free to disagree. Don't know why you got so butt hurt in a thread about which season we enjoyed more, lmao. I said I was frustrated the first half of that season because of how the line-ups always changed and we had no flow. I also said that after the Gasol trade and leading into the playoffs it was unbelievable. Are you that butt hurt? You need a safe space?

Your are so pathetic. Do you live your basement hoping that the Raptors lose everyday, relentlessly writing long essays in RealGM on repeat? Lmao. I bet you get a hard-on every time Pascal misses a shot.

[Pooh_Jeter]

so the question, is the 2021 draft as good as ppl say it is?
when you take a closer look, it seems like there are question marks for each prospects

I think every draft and draft prospect gets broken down like that given the way it's digested these days. The general consensus is that this is a pretty strong draft and the top end talent for sure is better than this past season. I can't speak on the overall depth of the class, but I think it's definitely above average if not outright strong overall. 2022 looks like a good draft too.

[anotherhomer]

so the question, is the 2021 draft as good as ppl say it is?
when you take a closer look, it seems like there are question marks for each prospects

I think every draft and draft prospect gets broken down like that given the way it's digested these days. The general consensus is that this is a pretty strong draft and the top end talent for sure is better than this past season. I can't speak on the overall depth of the class, but I think it's definitely above average if not outright strong overall. 2022 looks like a good draft too.

i can't help but remember the top players in the draft being underwhelming.
yes embiid turned out good but the guy didn't play for 2 years, costing Hinkie his career

i'm not sure if there's that franchise changing player in this draft...

2020, there was James Wiseman and Anthony Edwards, those guys will be good players

[Pooh_Jeter]

Honestly, I haven't done a deep dive into the prospects yet, especially the G League guys, just know that as the draft season approaches I got you guys.

I have a track record.

viewtopic.php?t=1113456

Kawhi has always had a special place in my heart, even when he was a prospect.

You also said this in 2012.

Even though it's a small sample size, the way Bargnani has been playing so far this season he is nearly untouchable IMO. For whatever reason, his game has really clicked under Casey. Tyreke still has more value than Bargs, but he has his own question marks.

It's funny how people still say Bargnani is no better than Frye/Anderson or another Okur. His post defense has always been pretty solid and this season his overall defensive game has been quite good. His rebounding is still not good enough, but his strengths far outweigh his weaknesses right now.

Offensively there are very few bigman who have the offensive repertoire he has. Not only does he have great range on his shot, but he has a great face up game and finishes around the basket creatively and efficiently. His post game has consistently improved over the last few seasons and his passing ability is underrated.

As talented as Tyreke is, there are a lot more guards of his ilk out there than there are big men who can do what Bargnani can. His contract is also pretty favourable. Like I said, Tyreke has more value than Bargs, but considering his play this season it would have to be an absolute sure thing for me to consider dealing Bargnani.

Oh and you claimed Brooklyn would beat us in 7 in the bubble.

I'm quite certain you cherry picked analysis I had of Bargs during his vaunted 13 game stretch, so if I'm supposed to feel embarassed by that analysis I'm not. I was also dead right about Tyreke, so thanks for digging that up!

I said the Nets could beat the Raptors in 7 and labelled the Raptors as favourites, but anything for you to get your jokes off, bud. I guess I was a year off on Brooklyn.

[Danny1616]

Honestly, I haven't done a deep dive into the prospects yet, especially the G League guys, just know that as the draft season approaches I got you guys.

I have a track record.

viewtopic.php?t=1113456

Kawhi has always had a special place in my heart, even when he was a prospect.

You also said this in 2012.

Even though it's a small sample size, the way Bargnani has been playing so far this season he is nearly untouchable IMO. For whatever reason, his game has really clicked under Casey. Tyreke still has more value than Bargs, but he has his own question marks.

It's funny how people still say Bargnani is no better than Frye/Anderson or another Okur. His post defense has always been pretty solid and this season his overall defensive game has been quite good. His rebounding is still not good enough, but his strengths far outweigh his weaknesses right now.

Offensively there are very few bigman who have the offensive repertoire he has. Not only does he have great range on his shot, but he has a great face up game and finishes around the basket creatively and efficiently. His post game has consistently improved over the last few seasons and his passing ability is underrated.

As talented as Tyreke is, there are a lot more guards of his ilk out there than there are big men who can do what Bargnani can. His contract is also pretty favourable. Like I said, Tyreke has more value than Bargs, but considering his play this season it would have to be an absolute sure thing for me to consider dealing Bargnani.

Oh and you claimed Brooklyn would beat us in 7 in the bubble.

I'm quite certain you cherry picked analysis I had of Bargs during his vaunted 13 game stretch, so if I'm supposed to feel embarassed by that analysis I'm not. I was also dead right about Tyreke, so thanks for digging that up!

I said the Nets could beat the Raptors in 7 and labelled the Raptors as favourites, but anything for you to get your jokes off, bud. I guess I was a year off on Brooklyn.

Wait a second.

So Bargnani's good 13 game stretch made him untradeable, but Siakam's 15 games of struggles since the bubble makes him completely tradeable. That sounds a little weird, don't you think?

This is notwithstanding that Siakam in the 2019 and 2020 seasons was significantly better than Bargnani at his peak.

With regards to the Nets, this is you:

Nets will take us to 7 and I wouldn't be surprised if they win. LeVert is the best player in the series and has completely recovered from his injury troubles. Jarrett Allen is a monster on the offensive glass and they have a ton of shooting. Raptors have basically shut it down since getting absolutely destroyed by the Celtics. Justin Anderson is a low key wild card, spent time with Raptors 905 and knows out team and system. He allows them to play some funky small ball lineups and wouldn't be surprised if he locks up Siakam.

The Raptors proceeded to sweep in one of the most lopsided 1st round match-ups in NBA history, including a record 100 points off the bench in game 4. Lavert, who you called the best player in the series, shot 37% from the field.

[Pooh_Jeter]

You also said this in 2012.



Oh and you claimed Brooklyn would beat us in 7 in the bubble.

I'm quite certain you cherry picked analysis I had of Bargs during his vaunted 13 game stretch, so if I'm supposed to feel embarassed by that analysis I'm not. I was also dead right about Tyreke, so thanks for digging that up!

I said the Nets could beat the Raptors in 7 and labelled the Raptors as favourites, but anything for you to get your jokes off, bud. I guess I was a year off on Brooklyn.

Wait a second.

So Bargnani's good 13 game stretch made him untradeable, but Siakam's 15 games of struggles since the bubble makes him completely tradeable.

This is notwithstanding that Siakam in the 2019 and 2020 seasons was significantly better than Bargnani at his peak.

You are seriously trying to re-litigate a post from like 8 years ago and you still put words in my mouth. It says in the post "nearly untouchable," and who knows what else I said. I was also pro rebuild/tank during those down years so it's not like I was tied to anyone.

Siakam basically had 2 good months last season so no, it wasn't a 15 game sample size. Keep digging through my post history though! Once you're into 2015 let me know.

[Pooh_Jeter]

With regards to the Nets, this is you:

Nets will take us to 7 and I wouldn't be surprised if they win. LeVert is the best player in the series and has completely recovered from his injury troubles. Jarrett Allen is a monster on the offensive glass and they have a ton of shooting. Raptors have basically shut it down since getting absolutely destroyed by the Celtics. Justin Anderson is a low key wild card, spent time with Raptors 905 and knows out team and system. He allows them to play some funky small ball lineups and wouldn't be surprised if he locks up Siakam.

The Raptors proceeded to sweep in one of the most lopsided 1st round match-ups in NBA history, including a record 100 points off the bench in game 4. Lavert, who you called the best player in the series, shot 37% from the field.

So you lied again? I've lost count how many we are at now.

I was right about Siakam getting locked up and Allen beasting on the boards. Some solid predictions you are digging up!

[Danny1616]

I'm quite certain you cherry picked analysis I had of Bargs during his vaunted 13 game stretch, so if I'm supposed to feel embarassed by that analysis I'm not. I was also dead right about Tyreke, so thanks for digging that up!

I said the Nets could beat the Raptors in 7 and labelled the Raptors as favourites, but anything for you to get your jokes off, bud. I guess I was a year off on Brooklyn.

Wait a second.

So Bargnani's good 13 game stretch made him untradeable, but Siakam's 15 games of struggles since the bubble makes him completely tradeable.

This is notwithstanding that Siakam in the 2019 and 2020 seasons was significantly better than Bargnani at his peak.

You are seriously trying to re-litigate a post from like 8 years ago and you still put words in my mouth. It says in the post "nearly untouchable," and who knows what else I said. I was also pro rebuild/tank during those down years so it's not like I was tied to anyone.

Siakam basically had 2 good months last season so no, it wasn't a 15 game sample size. Keep digging through my post history though! Once you're into 2015 let me know.

Dude, you were the one patting yourself on the back for being high on Kawhi in the draft by bringing your old thread from 9 years ago. I couldn't resist it considering how pathetic your million other predictions were.

Oh yes, it was close, a 19 game sample size, lol. We had 8 games in the bubble, 4 against the Nets, and 7 against the Celtics. Also it was after a completely unique circumstance called a pandemic. In case you didn't realize the season was postponed for 4.5 months.

Point being, you justified your reasoning for Bargnani based on a 13 game sample size. So based on that logic it's equally unfair to completely judge Siakam on a small sample size as well. I've said multiple times that the jury is still out on Siakam. He has the physical tools to become legitimate top 10 player, but in my opinion we need a bigger sample size and more reps to see. He may get there, he may not. You can disagree with that all you want.

Powell for instance had a pretty bad 7 game stretch to start off last season and had a phenomenal season last year.

Demar in 2016-2017 had an MJ-like start, going for over 30 points in his first 11 or so games, but then trailed off after that.

I also never said Siakam was untradeable. I agreed from the beginning if we can get a Harden caliber player we go for it.

[Danny1616]

With regards to the Nets, this is you:

Nets will take us to 7 and I wouldn't be surprised if they win. LeVert is the best player in the series and has completely recovered from his injury troubles. Jarrett Allen is a monster on the offensive glass and they have a ton of shooting. Raptors have basically shut it down since getting absolutely destroyed by the Celtics. Justin Anderson is a low key wild card, spent time with Raptors 905 and knows out team and system. He allows them to play some funky small ball lineups and wouldn't be surprised if he locks up Siakam.

The Raptors proceeded to sweep in one of the most lopsided 1st round match-ups in NBA history, including a record 100 points off the bench in game 4. Lavert, who you called the best player in the series, shot 37% from the field.

So you lied again? I've lost count how many we are at now.

I was right about Siakam getting locked up and Allen beasting on the boards. Some solid predictions you are digging up!

Lied about what dude? You said it was goes 7 and wouldn't be surprised if they win. You called LaVert the best player in the series.

You look more ignorant with every post.

Edit: Removed insult, lol.

Personal Attack. Warned.
niQ

[TrustFundBaby]

I'm not as down on the team as much as the tWo guys are, but there's something to be said about acquiring a game breaking talent. Kawhi was incredible for the one year, nobody before or after compare. Imagine having a legitimate franchise guy

Unfortunately even with this 0-3 start I still think this is a play in team, so we're gonna miss out on the talent and draft another Yak

[Inevitable]

With regards to the Nets, this is you:



The Raptors proceeded to sweep in one of the most lopsided 1st round match-ups in NBA history, including a record 100 points off the bench in game 4. Lavert, who you called the best player in the series, shot 37% from the field.

So you lied again? I've lost count how many we are at now.

I was right about Siakam getting locked up and Allen beasting on the boards. Some solid predictions you are digging up!

Lied about what dude? You said it was goes 7 and wouldn't be surprised if they win. You called LaVert the best player in the series.

You look dumber with each post.

Maybe you and Steelo should live in a basement jerking off together every time we lose and Pascal misses a shot.

This is offensive and homophobic. Don’t need to insult people to make a point.

[Danny1616]

So you lied again? I've lost count how many we are at now.

I was right about Siakam getting locked up and Allen beasting on the boards. Some solid predictions you are digging up!

Lied about what dude? You said it was goes 7 and wouldn't be surprised if they win. You called LaVert the best player in the series.

You look dumber with each post.

Maybe you and Steelo should live in a basement jerking off together every time we lose and Pascal misses a shot.

This is offensive and homophobic. Don’t need to insult people to make a point.

They do get off when we lose more than anybody I've seen. It's also an expression. I agree it was an insult, but it's not remotely homophobic.

Removed it anyways to make you happy.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

This thread is like the Real GM version of a NAMBLA meeting.

No shame or remorse for their depravity.

Derailing. Please don't make these types of comparisons. Warned.
niQ

[Machiavillain]

Tank World Order’s Greatest Hits

2013-2014: Tank for Andrew Wiggins
2014-2015: Tank for D'angelo Russell
2015-2016: Tank for Ben Simmons
2016-2017: Tank for Lonzo Ball
2017-2018: Tank for Deandre Ayton
2018-2019: Ugh, we have to try to compete now that we have Kawhi. There goes our chance at tanking for RJ Barrett

[Danny1616]

Tank World Order’s Greatest Hits

2013-2014: Tank for Andrew Wiggins
2014-2015: Tank for D'angelo Russell
2015-2016: Tank for Ben Simmons
2016-2017: Tank for Lonzo Ball
2017-2018: Tank for Deandre Ayton
2018-2019: Ugh, we have to try to compete now that we have Kawhi. There goes our chance at tanking for RJ Barrett

Yep, lmao.

[BrunoSkull]

yessssir

[Steelo Green]

Tank World Order’s Greatest Hits

2013-2014: Tank for Andrew Wiggins
2014-2015: Tank for D'angelo Russell
2015-2016: Tank for Ben Simmons
2016-2017: Tank for Lonzo Ball
2017-2018: Tank for Deandre Ayton
2018-2019: Ugh, we have to try to compete now that we have Kawhi. There goes our chance at tanking for RJ Barrett

Funny how you think tanking means first pick talent or die as though the top 5 of those years which we have been saying is tanking not one or bust have yielded:

-Tatum
-Brown
-Zion
-Ingram
-Luka
-Trae
-Embiid

Funny how you put DLo and not KAT who was the consensus number one or ignored the year before with Davis as number one, or Beal at 3.

Why is tanking being said as top pick or bust when it’s clearly top 5-10 picks are what you need consistently.

This grasping on straws is failing badly now.

Pontificating a narrative that doesn’t exist and then placing it on people you disagree with is a famous rgm tactic of deflection.

Sure - we didn’t say any of those things, but just say we did and voila it’s factual.

[Steelo Green]

You also said this in 2012.



Oh and you claimed Brooklyn would beat us in 7 in the bubble.

Predictions are wrong daily. General Managers who make millions of dollars pick draft busts.

However, history is unequivocally true, and the lie and thread about top three picks not staying with their teams or winning titles over the last 30 years and then changing parameters and goalposts whenever confronted is lying about facts not predictions.

You didn’t even know the Heat tanked for Beasley and thought it was about Malik Beasley.

You thought Donovan Mitchell was a second rounder.

You said Kawhi and Kyle barely played together.

So yes - post more predictions in my last 8 years posting here, I’m sure you will find more, but facts about history, I either am right about or I don’t have so much insecurity about myself that I can admit my wrongness.

You couldn't understand the parameters when it was clearly defined. To appease you because you are such a snowflake I had to make it crystal clear beyond any doubt because you seem to have the reading comprehension skills of an elementary school student. From the beginning I listed all the draft picks from 2000 and for you I even went back to 1990. Are you that stupid not to be able to read the original post and see that I was obviously referring to draft picks since 1990.

1) The poster was referring to both the Nuggets and the Heat. You realize I'm responding on my cell phone right, so it's not like I'm carefully reading every single word of an essay someone writes. What I said was true about the Nuggets, but I missed the part he was referring to the Heat and Beasley. I clearly clarified that I missed it in the subsequent post.

2) I explicitly said I was wrong about Mitchell, but the point was still correct referring to guys like Jokic who got drafted late. It was also correct that Utah had a decent season the year they got Mitchell AND TRADED for Mitchell, further supporting my argument that tanking isn't the end all.

3) Kawhi and Kyle did not play together much in the first half of the season, that's not incorrect. Kawhi missed 22 games due to load management and Kyle also missed 17 games due to a back injury, missing all of December. I was making a quick estimation in a thread that was about which regular season we enjoyed more so I don't even know how that is relevant. I explained my reasoning, you are free to disagree. Don't know why you got so butt hurt in a thread about which season we enjoyed more, lmao. I said I was frustrated the first half of that season because of how the line-ups always changed and we had no flow. I also said that after the Gasol trade and leading into the playoffs it was unbelievable. Are you that butt hurt? You need a safe space?

Your are so pathetic. Do you live your basement hoping that the Raptors lose everyday, relentlessly writing long essays in RealGM on repeat? Lmao. I bet you get a hard-on every time Pascal misses a shot.

Yes - the person who responds with a longer post talks about relentlessly writing long essays

Swing and a miss, thanks for playing though.