GAME 4: Pistons vs Warriors 7 PM EST

[zeebneeb]

What’s the time table on the G-League starting up?

Jan 29th and the Pistons "have no plans to join".

https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2020/12/28/22198665/detroit-pistons-g-league-bubble-opt-out-grand-rapids-drive

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So there yah go.

The only path towards developing him is on this roster.

I'm not sure how to move forward with this, but it's self evident that it isn't working, and we're only damaging him by throwing him out there in this fashion. That's the reality.

If you bring him off the bench he'll be playing against lesser opponents but also have worse teammates. And his shot still needs to be fixed. It's really tough. I was prepared for a rough start but this is definitely rougher than I'd hoped- and rougher than other comparable players drafted have shown so far.

It's fairly discouraging. I do like what I'm seeing from Bey and Stewart but Sekou and Hayes aren't going as I'd hoped- and both are more important. Bey hasn't really played well so far but he's at least shown what he can do out there. Sekou can barely get on the court.

No, that is your reality. I am a sink or swim guy having personally experienced it, and seeing it happen to others. On the job experience is not "damaging" to the individual and in my experience the absolute best way to learn a skill. There are rough spots to be sure, but getting this experience is crucial for understanding how the NBA works, and each of its teams and starting guards.

Again, it's been 4 games and making any determination is absurd. Some players will respond immediately, while others will take time to get their feet under them.

If after 25-30 games Hayes is still struggling like this, then there might be a problem. I would look to repeat teams and how Hayes performs against them further down the schedule. That could be a useful indicator on if he is learning after having played against them.

[BadWolf]

He looks scared and defers way touch, specially to Blake. So it's no surprise he had the best game when Blake was resting. It would probably be better if he comes of the bench with Bey, Sekou, Stewart and build chemistry with those guys. Start Wright, as awful as that is, with the vets and make a 2nd unit with 3 rookies/youngsters and a stabilizing vet or two, maybe Josh and Plumlee.

[Snakebites]

Jan 29th and the Pistons "have no plans to join".

https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2020/12/28/22198665/detroit-pistons-g-league-bubble-opt-out-grand-rapids-drive

Read on Twitter

So there yah go.

The only path towards developing him is on this roster.

I'm not sure how to move forward with this, but it's self evident that it isn't working, and we're only damaging him by throwing him out there in this fashion. That's the reality.

If you bring him off the bench he'll be playing against lesser opponents but also have worse teammates. And his shot still needs to be fixed. It's really tough. I was prepared for a rough start but this is definitely rougher than I'd hoped- and rougher than other comparable players drafted have shown so far.

It's fairly discouraging. I do like what I'm seeing from Bey and Stewart but Sekou and Hayes aren't going as I'd hoped- and both are more important. Bey hasn't really played well so far but he's at least shown what he can do out there. Sekou can barely get on the court.

No, that is your reality. I am a sink or swim guy having personally experienced it, and seeing it happen to others. On the job experience is not "damaging" to the individual and in my experience the absolute best way to learn a skill. There are rough spots to be sure, but getting this experience is crucial for understanding how the NBA works, and each of its teams and starting guards.

Again, it's been 4 games and making any determination is absurd. Some players will respond immediately, while others will take time to get their feet under them.

If after 25-30 games Hayes is still struggling like this, then there might be a problem. I would look to repeat teams and how Hayes performs against them further down the schedule. That could be a useful indicator on if he is learning after having played against them.

I'm not saying we need to sit him or not play him at all.

I'm saying doing it the way we're doing it isn't working. He should not be starting. He has no business being out there against our opponent's best right now.

If you wan to train a cook, you don't put them in charge of the kitchen during rush hour before they're ready. You give them a smaller role first.

You can't make a determination about what the player will eventually be. That doesn't mean we can't evaluate what's happening out there right now and make decisions moving forward based on that. Well, I guess WE can't make decisions, but you know what I mean.

[bstein14]

Haliburton is looking really good with Sac thus far, 10+ PPG and 5+ APG on really good shooting %s. I thought he was more NBA ready with a lower upside than a lot of other picks but he was the guy I wanted after knowing we were picking #7. Pat Williams also looking good for Chicago scoring 10+ PPG for them. Right now Hayes is looking the worst out of the top dozen or so picks for sure.

[vege]

Pat Williams also looking good for Chicago scoring 10+ PPG for them.

I was very unimpressed with Patrick Williams when I watched Chicago play. Maybe I only watched his bad games or something, because his numbers are not looking bad.

I wish we had drafted Haliburton, he is looking really good. Sacramento was very luck, he should've been a top 5 pick. I also always liked Cole Aldrich, his stock was very low at the draft but he was a top 3 pick early and I could see him being a top 3 player for this class.

Like I said in another thread a month or so ago, teams usually do mistakes evaluating talent, and this season, because of the covid situation, I expect a lot more mistakes then previous years, teams had a lot less information then they usually have. It was very dumb to go all in in this class.

People like what we did during the draft, I don't. We overpaid for the picks we acquired, and we drafted the players without proper information. I hope our rookies develop well and end up being amazing tho.

[Invictus88]

I honestly don't see how Hayes progresses in year one.

Just looking at him play it's clear that opponents have figured out that he can only go left. They defend him as such and Hayes still tries it; resulting in a bad pass or a turnover most of the time.

It's only been 4 games but it's hard for me to fathom how he develops a right hand. It's a gueling covid-shortened season where practices are in short supply. The kid looks to me like he needs serious offseason time to practice going right; lots of reps until it feels comfortable.
It's a shame that he won't get that opportunity for several months. His opponents are going to continue to exploit this and it's going to be seriously painful to watch.

[Moses ShamMoses]

Nice tank loss tonight. The young guys are competing hard but not winning. Isn't that the ideal situation in a year we want to win the lottery?

I've seen a few people call out Casey to be fired. There is little to no chance of that happening this year as long as the team shows fight and key young guys show improvement. There are no playoffs expectations this year. So let the losses pile up, no problem!

[MotownMadness]

Pat Williams also looking good for Chicago scoring 10+ PPG for them.

I was very unimpressed with Patrick Williams when I watched Chicago play. Maybe I only watched his bad games or something, because his numbers are not looking bad.

I wish we had drafted Haliburton, he is looking really good. Sacramento was very luck, he should've been a top 5 pick. I also always liked Cole Aldrich, his stock was very low at the draft but he was a top 3 pick early and I could see him being a top 3 player for this class.

Like I said in another thread a month or so ago, teams usually do mistakes evaluating talent, and this season, because of the covid situation, I expect a lot more mistakes then previous years, teams had a lot less information then they usually have. It was very dumb to go all in in this class.

People like what we did during the draft, I don't. We overpaid for the picks we acquired, and we drafted the players without proper information. I hope our rookies develop well and end up being amazing tho.

Cole Anthony was the original guy I wanted but then he went ice cold for a long time while continuing to chuck away. Haliburton I knew was good but didnt think he had a very high ceiling with that funny looking jumper but he always impacted the game all over to not make him a complete bust.

Oh well hopefully it works out in the end for us.

[mattao313]

I honestly don't see how Hayes progresses in year one.

Just looking at him play it's clear that opponents have figured out that he can only go left. They defend him as such and Hayes still tries it; resulting in a bad pass or a turnover most of the time.

It's only been 4 games but it's hard for me to fathom how he develops a right hand. It's a gueling covid-shortened season where practices are in short supply. The kid looks to me like he needs serious offseason time to practice going right; lots of reps until it feels comfortable.
It's a shame that he won't get that opportunity for several months. His opponents are going to continue to exploit this and it's going to be seriously painful to watch.

What I dont like is that he is not aggressive at all as a PG nowadays you gotta have a scorers mentality. Its hard to judge him cause all he does is go stand in the corner.

[NYPiston]

As far as Hailburton vs. Hayes is concerned, I'm not surprised by any of this. Hailburton had a lot more polish in his game and was expected to have an impact sooner. Hayes was an upside pick, not a win now pick, so I beg of you guys to show patience with this kid instread of making absolute statements about what he can't or never will be able to do.

As with the team in general, this is a long term project not a short term fix. The same applies to the prospects, specifically the Frenchies. This is arguably the most mismatched roster in the league, it's a tough environment for young players to thrive in especially young players with a lot of raw aspects to their game.