Tank World Order

[JShuttlesworth]

One Lowry injury away from TWO going full steam ahead! Siakam and Fred providing some valuable fuel night in night out

If we lose any of Kyle / Anunoby / Siakam / Baynes to injury at any point, tWo will spread like wildfire.

[Pooh_Jeter]

Tank World Order’s Greatest Hits

2013-2014: Tank for Andrew Wiggins
2014-2015: Tank for D'angelo Russell
2015-2016: Tank for Ben Simmons
2016-2017: Tank for Lonzo Ball
2017-2018: Tank for Deandre Ayton
2018-2019: Ugh, we have to try to compete now that we have Kawhi. There goes our chance at tanking for RJ Barrett

I know this was seen as a warning or diss to TWO, but all 5 of those guys would be massive upgrades on what is currently on the roster, so not sure what this is even indicative of. If this is the worst case it's not even bad.

"Massive upgrades"

Besides Simmons and Ayton, none of these players would even be starters on our team. The tanker psychosis is something else.

Ayton obviously starts at centre, but the other 4 would start over FVV and create a much more balanced starting lineup. The only question mark would be Wiggins. Your point does a poor job of representing tanking as something to be wary of.

[WeThe2019Champs]

We need the bench to get more minutes and stop Siakam from jacking up so many shots.

[Basketball_Jones]

One Lowry injury away from TWO going full steam ahead! Siakam and Fred providing some valuable fuel night in night out

If we lose any of Kyle / Anunoby / Siakam / Baynes to injury at any point, tWo will spread like wildfire.

Uhh no, Siakam is leading the tank. Don’t let his defense and rebounding fool you. Rudy was doing the same thing. It won’t be long until we see a 10-37 shooting night and ban of stats sheet from the locker room.

[TrustFundBaby]

Hard to get excited for these prospects knowing they're gone guaranteed after their rookie extension, potentially earlier if they pull an AD

We need to absolutely under all circumstances NOT draft SoCal guys (DD sucks he stayed cus we overpaid him), preferably not draft any American whatsoever anyways. I don't mind a late pick but hell no for lotto

Only CDN/International players. So I guess Kuminga this year or Wembanyama next year.

[Machiavillain]

I know this was seen as a warning or diss to TWO, but all 5 of those guys would be massive upgrades on what is currently on the roster, so not sure what this is even indicative of. If this is the worst case it's not even bad.

"Massive upgrades"

Besides Simmons and Ayton, none of these players would even be starters on our team. The tanker psychosis is something else.

Ayton obviously starts at centre, but the other 4 would start over FVV and create a much more balanced starting lineup. The only question mark would be Wiggins. Your point does a poor job of representing tanking as something to be wary of.

This is "grass is greener on the other side" on steroids. Holy ****.

Do you really think any of Wiggins, Russell, Lonzo and Barrett are better than FVV? I don't know what to tell you. Nobody on the planet will ever convince you that tanking isn't a good option. A prospective player just has to be not currently on the Raptors and you will be salivating.

[_MidNight_]

I didn't realize how bad Norm was this year until I looked at his numbers.

This man is taking 14 shots per game and shooting 17% from the field? LMAO. Nurse must be out of his mind giving this guy so much rope.

[JD143726]

Siakim's PER is 8. HAHAHAHAHHA We pay him 30 mil a year

[God Squad]

"Massive upgrades"

Besides Simmons and Ayton, none of these players would even be starters on our team. The tanker psychosis is something else.

Ayton obviously starts at centre, but the other 4 would start over FVV and create a much more balanced starting lineup. The only question mark would be Wiggins. Your point does a poor job of representing tanking as something to be wary of.

This is "grass is greener on the other side" on steroids. Holy ****.

Do you really think any of Wiggins, Russell, Lonzo and Barrett are better than FVV? I don't know what to tell you. Nobody on the planet will ever convince you that tanking isn't a good option. A prospective player just has to be not currently on the Raptors and you will be salivating.

Ayton and Simmons are better than ANY asset on our roster. You did a terrible job depicting that tanking or drafting in the lottery is bad.

[God Squad]

Siakim's PER is 8. HAHAHAHAHHA We pay him 30 mil a year

God damn..

[Steelo Green]

"Let's list only the number one draft picks, when the other side has said consistent lottery picks is what is required"

Also, the number one overall pick has 20/30 NBA titles, so not a great argument there either.

[Kingsway_fan]

Baynes and len are our tank comanders this year. We are 3-0 with a decent centre.

[_MidNight_]

Baynes and len are our tank comanders this year. We are 3-0 with a decent centre.

I think the tank is being led by Norm and it's not even close. 14 shots per game hitting at a clip of 17% FG%

[MixxSRC]

Baynes and len are our tank comanders this year. We are 3-0 with a decent centre.

Nah it's Mild P who is a tank commander. Star player is supposed to elevate his teammate but here we hoping teammates will elevate Pascal

[Par36]

3 games.

Relax.

[Pooh_Jeter]

Honestly trade Lowry (and to a lesser extent Norm) and there isn't even a need for a dedicated tank commander. The team will completely fall apart. Lowry has been propping up the entire team for years and Norm is the only legit slasher on a team that can't draw fouls or get to the rim.

Force feed OG like 18% usage and see if he sinks or swims.

[Machiavillain]

Ayton and Simmons are better than ANY asset on our roster. You did a terrible job depicting that tanking or drafting in the lottery is bad.

I can't tell if tank-obsessives genuinely can't follow basic deductive reasoning or if they're pretending not to out of confirmation bias.

You don't just tank and poof you get Ben Simmons. You tank in the hopes that you get Ben Simmons. And when you win the lottery and get Ben Simmons - and this is key - you don't suddenly become good. You don't suddenly not-suck. You don't rid yourself of the stigma of being an utterly crap franchise. The Pelicans got Anthony Davis and never got out of the second round. The Bucks got Giannis and several other good players and still haven't made the Finals. Philly not only got Simmons, but they added him to Embiid, and the only time they looked like a genuine contender was when they also added Jimmy Butler. Point being, it's not enough for a player to be good or even a better asset than everything we have (Ayton being a better asset than Siakam is also a stretch, I don't care what prisoner of the moment garbage says otherwise). By virtue of tanking to acquire them, that player has to alone be worth more than everything we have now. Since we will be building around them from the point of being a bottom feeder. You can get a better ceiling raiser and struggle to find the extra star or two, the extra borderline all star, the sixth man, the bevy of good role players needed to bring them to genuine championship contention.

When you decide to throw away all our assets to fish for the next LeBron James, you throw the baby out with the bathwater. We start from ground zero. If you nuke our roster and end up with Ayton, we have lost. We are a joke. A bigger joke than we are now. And that's Ayton, not the list of genuinely mediocre players tank nation has been begging the Raptors to dedicate their lives for year in and out.

There is no doubt in my mind that if any pro-tanker in this forum had their way our franchise would be worse than the Knicks.

[Machiavillain]

"Let's list only the number one draft picks, when the other side has said consistent lottery picks is what is required"

Also, the number one overall pick has 20/30 NBA titles, so not a great argument there either.

I think you mean "a" number one overall pick is "involved" in 20/30 NBA titles.

Only four first overall picks in the past 40 years have actually won a title with the team that drafted them. Magic Johnson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Tim Duncan and LeBron James. In the past 40 years you have had a 10% chance at landing a player that would actually lead YOUR team to a championship.

"Wow! 10%! You would be a fool not to take that!" You might say. And in a vacuum, sure. But that's if you get the first overall pick. With the worst record in the league, you have a 25% chance at the 1st overall pick. That brings the percentage down from 10 to 2.5%.

That's 2.5 times out of 100, or once every 40 seasons losing the most games in the league, that you will land the 1st overall pick and also win a championship with it.

[JPriest]

The D League champ combo FVV/Spicy P 4 tank commanders. Someone should definitely make an updated TWO titantron. No shortages of Pascal's missed bunnies and FVV constantly getting tragically but hilariously swatted at the rim.

[God Squad]

Ayton and Simmons are better than ANY asset on our roster. You did a terrible job depicting that tanking or drafting in the lottery is bad.

I can't tell if tank-obsessives genuinely can't follow basic deductive reasoning or if they're pretending not to out of confirmation bias.

You don't just tank and poof you get Ben Simmons. You tank in the hopes that you get Ben Simmons. And when you win the lottery and get Ben Simmons - and this is key - you don't suddenly become good. You don't suddenly not-suck. You don't rid yourself of the stigma of being an utterly crap franchise. The Pelicans got Anthony Davis and never got out of the second round. The Bucks got Giannis and several other good players and still haven't made the Finals. Philly not only got Simmons, but they added him to Embiid, and the only time they looked like a genuine contender was when they also added Jimmy Butler. Point being, it's not enough for a player to be good or even a better asset than everything we have (Ayton being a better asset than Siakam is also a stretch, I don't care what prisoner of the moment garbage says otherwise). By virtue of tanking to acquire them, that player has to alone be worth more than everything we have now. Since we will be building around them from the point of being a bottom feeder. You can get a better ceiling raiser and struggle to find the extra star or two, the extra borderline all star, the sixth man, the bevy of good role players needed to bring them to genuine championship contention.

When you decide to throw away all our assets to fish for the next LeBron James, you throw the baby out with the bathwater. We start from ground zero. If you nuke our roster and end up with Ayton, we have lost. We are a joke. A bigger joke than we are now. And that's Ayton, not the list of genuinely mediocre players tank nation has been begging the Raptors to dedicate their lives for year in and out.

There is no doubt in my mind that if any pro-tanker in this forum had their way our franchise would be worse than the Knicks.

Ayton is a better asset don't care if you disagree. One being paid Max dollars to underperform the other is on a rookie scale deal. Philly with Embiid and Simmons are contenders now. I'm willing to bet we lose EVERY game against them as long as Embiid and Simmons play. Yes, the draft is a crapshoot and takes some luck everyone knows this lol. But not all GM's are equal at evaluating talent. Masai is leagues above say Tommy Sheppards or Scott Perry. Also, you act as if every draft is equal in terms of the top tier talent available. IMO our team looks full of roleplayers and those are FAR easier to acquire than actual franchise-changing talent. You also spew so much nonsense. What do you mean nuke our roster? You know there are multiple ways of "tanking" but in our case, we're just not good enough.

Say the Raptors suck as many of us think. No, it doesn't guarantee we end up with Cade, Mobley, Green, or Kuminga. BUT it puts us in the best position to get one of the 4 to ADD to the current group.

IMO this is gonna be a great season because I don't see Masai and Bobby twiddling their thumbs being satisfied with the roster and the stat. Moves will be made, and I don't think they'll be "Win now" moves.