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What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling?

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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#621 » by GreenBloodedC » Thu Dec 31, 2020 5:43 am

I won't put a cap on his ceiling because he's obviously improving every year. So who the F knows.

If I answered this during his rooking year, I'd say we would be fortunate if he could be a starter in a contender.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#622 » by Ill News » Thu Dec 31, 2020 5:48 am

PierceFan4ever wrote:Seeing rookie Jaylen to this Jaylen is so beautiful

It's like watching a son grow up. Jaylen and Jayson are my boys and I helped raise them with all the cheering and supporting I've done, I don't care what anyone says :D
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#623 » by Floody100 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:18 am

I know it’s only been 5 games but it’s kind of weird that Jaylen’s equal 6th in PPG in the entire league lol
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#624 » by Floody100 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 7:30 am

A lot of people said he got overpaid ... They were wrong.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#625 » by BostonCouchGM » Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:57 am

Floody100 wrote:A lot of people said he got overpaid ... They were wrong.


as overrated (at least by the majority of this fanbase) as he is, he's perfectly compensated. He gets paid exactly what he's worth for what he provides. Ainge knocked it out of the park with both Jaylen and Smart's contracts. It's nuts that the same guy gave Kemba his contract which will prevent us from winning a championship.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#626 » by Waider » Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:40 am

Floody100 wrote:A lot of people said he got overpaid ... They were wrong.


Yep.
This is hardly even fair, the rest of the league is playing checkers and Danny Ainge is playing 12-dimensional chess.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#627 » by ddb » Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:29 pm

When the Spurs were working on trades for Kawhi Leonard the deal they wanted most was a deal with Boston that included Jaylen Brown as the centerpiece going back. RC Bufford & Pop were so high on Jaylen Brown and felt like he would develop and be their Kawhi replacement in due time. Boston entertained the trade but in talking with Kawhi's camp there was obvious interest in playing close to home in LA. As we know, long story short, Danny decided not to do the deal.

So I pose this question to the board. Has the best trades that Danny Ainge has ever made been the NON trades including Jaylen Brown & Jayson Tatum? I feel like we are witnessing first hand what Toronto COULD have had in McGrady/Carter years ago. Perhaps Boston's version is even better!

I've said it on here before and I'll say it again. Boston will win championships with Tatum/Brown as 2 of their best players so long as they surround these guys with the right pieces. Of course health factors in too.

I'll also admit that Jaylen may end up being even better then I thought he could be. Granted he's coming off a 42pt in 3 quarter performance so we're all feeling great about him, but the way he continuously improves each year is very reminiscent of Kawhi Leonard.

Jayson Tatum & Jaylen Brown are major problems for the rest of the league. The Celtics are in a great spot with these two leading the way
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#628 » by sam_I_am » Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:45 pm

ddb wrote:When the Spurs were working on trades for Kawhi Leonard the deal they wanted most was a deal with Boston that included Jaylen Brown as the centerpiece going back. RC Bufford & Pop were so high on Jaylen Brown and felt like he would develop and be their Kawhi replacement in due time. Boston entertained the trade but in talking with Kawhi's camp there was obvious interest in playing close to home in LA. As we know, long story short, Danny decided not to do the deal.

So I pose this question to the board. Has the best trades that Danny Ainge has ever made been the NON trades including Jaylen Brown & Jayson Tatum? I feel like we are witnessing first hand what Toronto COULD have had in McGrady/Carter years ago. Perhaps Boston's version is even better!

I've said it on here before and I'll say it again. Boston will win championships with Tatum/Brown as 2 of their best players so long as they surround these guys with the right pieces. Of course health factors in too.

I'll also admit that Jaylen may end up being even better then I thought he could be. Granted he's coming off a 42pt in 3 quarter performance so we're all feeling great about him, but the way he continuously improves each year is very reminiscent of Kawhi Leonard.

Jayson Tatum & Jaylen Brown are major problems for the rest of the league. The Celtics are in a great spot with these two leading the way


I think the Jays could exceed Carter/McGrady only with health and longevity. Those guys at their peak - which was at ages 23-24 - were both at higher skill level than Tatum is now and more both more athletically gifted than Brown, IMO. I do think Tatum and Brown have performed at incredibly well in playoffs at such a young age however and their willingness to play defense at such a high level may be the “IT” factor that Carter and McGrady may not have had.
"I think the criticism's stupid," Stevens said. "So I don't care. I'm with Jaylen (Brown) on that. Those two had achieved more than most 25 and 26 year olds ever had. I'd rather be in the mix and have my guts ripped out than suck."
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#629 » by sam_I_am » Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:52 pm

Celticfan_N_FL wrote:Everytime Jaylen has a very good/great game some on this forum attach the most ludicrous asterisks to undercut the performance.

There'd be none of this BS if it was Tatum tonight. None. No talk about G League opponents. No nitpicking of a play here and there. No, it'd be well deserved praise.

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Excellent point. Also ignores it was the second night of a back to back.
"I think the criticism's stupid," Stevens said. "So I don't care. I'm with Jaylen (Brown) on that. Those two had achieved more than most 25 and 26 year olds ever had. I'd rather be in the mix and have my guts ripped out than suck."
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#630 » by themoneyteam2 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:58 pm

BostonCouchGM wrote:
Floody100 wrote:A lot of people said he got overpaid ... They were wrong.


as overrated (at least by the majority of this fanbase) as he is, he's perfectly compensated. He gets paid exactly what he's worth for what he provides. Ainge knocked it out of the park with both Jaylen and Smart's contracts. It's nuts that the same guy gave Kemba his contract which will prevent us from winning a championship.


It’s also nuts that you come on here and say the Knicks have a better young core and future than the Celtics.

Again, you should probably sit this one out for awhile.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#631 » by ddb » Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:12 pm

sam_I_am wrote:
ddb wrote:When the Spurs were working on trades for Kawhi Leonard the deal they wanted most was a deal with Boston that included Jaylen Brown as the centerpiece going back. RC Bufford & Pop were so high on Jaylen Brown and felt like he would develop and be their Kawhi replacement in due time. Boston entertained the trade but in talking with Kawhi's camp there was obvious interest in playing close to home in LA. As we know, long story short, Danny decided not to do the deal.

So I pose this question to the board. Has the best trades that Danny Ainge has ever made been the NON trades including Jaylen Brown & Jayson Tatum? I feel like we are witnessing first hand what Toronto COULD have had in McGrady/Carter years ago. Perhaps Boston's version is even better!

I've said it on here before and I'll say it again. Boston will win championships with Tatum/Brown as 2 of their best players so long as they surround these guys with the right pieces. Of course health factors in too.

I'll also admit that Jaylen may end up being even better then I thought he could be. Granted he's coming off a 42pt in 3 quarter performance so we're all feeling great about him, but the way he continuously improves each year is very reminiscent of Kawhi Leonard.

Jayson Tatum & Jaylen Brown are major problems for the rest of the league. The Celtics are in a great spot with these two leading the way


I think the Jays could exceed Carter/McGrady only with health and longevity. Those guys at their peak - which was at ages 23-24 - were both at higher skill level than Tatum is now and more both more athletically gifted than Brown, IMO. I do think Tatum and Brown have performed at incredibly well in playoffs at such a young age however and their willingness to play defense at such a high level may be the “IT” factor that Carter and McGrady may not have had.


I always felt like Vince was overrated due to his ridiculous dunking ability. Don’t get me wrong, he was very good and will probably be in the HOF, but was he truly an all around stud? Eh. McGrady on the other hand had a prime where he was pretty much unstoppable. Although he fell off hard.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#632 » by lon3lytoaster » Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:31 pm

I think the best thing about Jaylen’s performance last night was that he knew he was hot and was selfish about it. Obviously the game was in hand for large stretches of the 2nd and 3rd but still.

All too many times a guy will be hot and we’ll ignore it, keep them on the bench too long or just generally go back into Brad’s typical nonsensical communist offensive sets with anyone apart for Tatum going long stretches without a play run for them in particular.

This was great all around. The efficiency is remarkable and hopefully gives him a lot of confidence heading into January.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#633 » by 31to6 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:36 pm

I’ll just keep saying things like we owe it to ourselves to find out what his ceiling is in Boston. JB and JT are much more successful than lots of “star” pairings already.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#634 » by Roddy » Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:18 pm

Celticfan_N_FL wrote:Everytime Jaylen has a very good/great game some on this forum attach the most ludicrous asterisks to undercut the performance.

There'd be none of this BS if it was Tatum tonight. None. No talk about G League opponents. No nitpicking of a play here and there. No, it'd be well deserved praise.

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+1

And funny how some people disappear when Jaylen prove them wrong.
But don't worry, they will be back when Jaylen will have a bad night...
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#635 » by Afam » Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:27 pm

Vince Carter was overrated. Good player, deserves to be in the HOF, but TMac was the better, overall player. Browns ceiling is one or two all stars, solid defense player. Constantly hovering around 20-25 points a game but is not going to be a constant 30PpG scorer. He is going to be an all star type of player, but not a star player. He is going to be a good player but nothing special. Tatum is the franchise player or should be.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#636 » by ParticleMan » Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:37 pm

Afam wrote:Vince Carter was overrated. Good player, deserves to be in the HOF, but TMac was the better, overall player. Browns ceiling is one or two all stars, solid defense player. Constantly hovering around 20-25 points a game but is not going to be a constant 30PpG scorer. He is going to be an all star type of player, but not a star player. He is going to be a good player but nothing special. Tatum is the franchise player or should be.


yep, keep putting limits on how good you "know" jaylen will ever be. go for it. never mind he's made folks like that look foolish the last 4 years. but keep moving that bar higher. one of these times you'll be right. :lol:
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#637 » by DarkAzcura » Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:37 pm

Afam wrote:Vince Carter was overrated. Good player, deserves to be in the HOF, but TMac was the better, overall player. Browns ceiling is one or two all stars, solid defense player. Constantly hovering around 20-25 points a game but is not going to be a constant 30PpG scorer. He is going to be an all star type of player, but not a star player. He is going to be a good player but nothing special. Tatum is the franchise player or should be.


If Brown constantly hovers between 20-25 PPG, and we win 55+ games a year, he will be in the all star game every single year for years to come, not only 1 or 2 all star games. That’s how the game works. Next thing you know, you look up, and he is a 6-7 time perennial all star; maybe more.

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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#638 » by CSL_1904 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 5:31 pm

Celticfan_N_FL wrote:Everytime Jaylen has a very good/great game some on this forum attach the most ludicrous asterisks to undercut the performance.

There'd be none of this BS if it was Tatum tonight. None. No talk about G League opponents. No nitpicking of a play here and there. No, it'd be well deserved praise.

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And it's getting harder and harder for those guys to come up with excuses because JB plays good or great most nights these days :lol:

Last year he averaged 20 points on great efficency being the 3rd or 4th option most of the time. This year is the clear 2nd option and he's putting up even greater numbers on a similar if not higher efficiency.

His improvement every year is just unbelievable. And the great news is that, health permitting, the best is still to come. You'd be a fool to bet against him at this point.

I'm so proud of Jaylen. Like someone said before, looking at what JB was in his first year and what he is now is just beautiful.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#639 » by bisme37 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:23 pm

Figured I'd put the video here for posterity's sake...

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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#640 » by sam_I_am » Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:33 pm

Afam wrote:Vince Carter was overrated. Good player, deserves to be in the HOF, but TMac was the better, overall player. Browns ceiling is one or two all stars, solid defense player. Constantly hovering around 20-25 points a game but is not going to be a constant 30PpG scorer. He is going to be an all star type of player, but not a star player. He is going to be a good player but nothing special. Tatum is the franchise player or should be.


Vince was considered much better than Paul Pierce for their first 8-9 years in NBA. Statistically they are almost identical for first 12 years in league together. He may have been overrated, but he was still really good. Not many players in NBA history could finish over the rim and knock down 3s like he could. Flip side is that he wasn’t as clutch as Paul and was always sidelined with nagging injuries.

My only point is that if Jaylen and Jason have a 5 year run as good as his first 5 years, we will be pretty happy. Jaylen has had a great 5 games to start this season. Vince did that for >5 years starting at age 22. TMac was averaging 32 ppg at age 22-3.

People back then talked about Iverson, Vince and TMac the way they did about Lebron and Wade or like they do now about Doncic. I love Jaylen but he hasn’t earned that kind of adulation and respect. FWIW, neither did PP back then.
"I think the criticism's stupid," Stevens said. "So I don't care. I'm with Jaylen (Brown) on that. Those two had achieved more than most 25 and 26 year olds ever had. I'd rather be in the mix and have my guts ripped out than suck."

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