Nuggets Trades

[THE J0KER]

BOSTON: Harden
HOUSTON: Brown, Harris, Barton, BOS2021, DEN2021, BOS2023
DENVER: Smart, PJ Tucker

[The Rebel]

Click-bait at it's best

I could easily see Barton being offered as filler here, perhaps even Harris but I'd have to wonder what the return would be ?

3rd team is most probably Philly. So we can think in that direction

If that be the case, I'd be interested to see Matisse Thybulle coming to Denver, seems like a younger, bigger Gary Harris replacement.

Thinking bigger, I'd almost be open to taking on T.Harris with Millsap going out if we received a couple of 1sts (preferably from HOU) to compensate for that salary of his.

Has anybody seen when trade restrictions for new contracts expire? I know it is usually Dec 15th and Jan 15th but I cannot seem to find anything with the late start date.


We could make the money work taking back Harris and Thybulle for BArton and Harris. But that gives the Rockets no real prospects.

I think if the 76ers are going to make a deal work than they are going to send out Simmons and if we are in the deal it will likely be to add draft capital for a player or players we need. Like Barton and a 1st for Tucker and Thybulle.

[The Rebel]

BOSTON: Harden
HOUSTON: Brown, Harris, Barton, BOS2021, DEN2021, BOS2023
DENVER: Smart, PJ Tucker

The money does not work for Houston, they are taking back 57+ million while only sending out $49 million and they are hard capped this year with the contract they gave Wood.

[skywalker33]

BOSTON: Harden
HOUSTON: Brown, Harris, Barton, BOS2021, DEN2021, BOS2023
DENVER: Smart, PJ Tucker

The money does not work for Houston, they are taking back 57+ million while only sending out $49 million and they are hard capped this year with the contract they gave Wood.

I'd be happy to swap Brown for Smart in that scenario

[NuggetsWY]

BOSTON: Harden
HOUSTON: Brown, Harris, Barton, BOS2021, DEN2021, BOS2023
DENVER: Smart, PJ Tucker

The money does not work for Houston, they are taking back 57+ million while only sending out $49 million and they are hard capped this year with the contract they gave Wood.

I'd be happy to swap Brown for Smart in that scenario

I don't object to Smart & Tucker but I'd prefer Brown. I probably think more of him than most - partly because he's a two-way team-first player with pretty solid skills. Plus his age fits nicely with our core-3.

I suspect Houston wants more than this for Harden + Tucker.

I also suspect Boston doesn't really want Harden. He'd change their whole offense and hurt their defense - especially if they give up Brown and Smart.

[Manolito]

I barely see ourselves trying to acquire draft talent. We need stablished plug and play veterans.

@Rebel

Free agents signed this offseason can’t be traded before February 6, while players who meet certain criteria (re-signed with their own over-the-cap team via Bird or Early Bird rights and got a raise of at least 20%) can’t be traded until March 3, per Pincus (Twitter link). These dates are typically December 15 and January 15.



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[stoo]

I wouldn't bet on MPJ being untouchable. Him playing 40 mins looks like typical showcasing to me..
if harden goes to philly, it will happen sooner than later, so soon we will see
simmons will almost certainly go to houston, unless houston gets few solid players/prospects +picks package from philly and denver, and simmons ends up with us.
I also wouldn't be surprised we are actually hiding bol and nnaji, and they get significant minutes after the eventual trade

[stoo]

i can also see washington getting involved in a 4 team trade

[skywalker33]

I wouldn't bet on MPJ being untouchable. Him playing 40 mins looks like typical showcasing to me..
if harden goes to philly, it will happen sooner than later, so soon we will see
simmons will almost certainly go to houston, unless houston gets few solid players/prospects +picks package from philly and denver, and simmons ends up with us.
I also wouldn't be surprised we are actually hiding bol and nnaji, and they get significant minutes after the eventual trade

Have to disagree on MPJ, with Murray out we needed another consistent scorer and MPJ proved he can be just that.

Not sure HIDING is what were doing with Nnaji and Bol, feels like they're just biding their time to wait for the right opportunity (whenever that is ?)

I'm not sure Simmons is the best fit next to Jokic, he has a plethora of talent but wouldn't his lack of shooting clog the lane ??

[stoo]

I wouldn't bet on MPJ being untouchable. Him playing 40 mins looks like typical showcasing to me..
if harden goes to philly, it will happen sooner than later, so soon we will see
simmons will almost certainly go to houston, unless houston gets few solid players/prospects +picks package from philly and denver, and simmons ends up with us.
I also wouldn't be surprised we are actually hiding bol and nnaji, and they get significant minutes after the eventual trade

Have to disagree on MPJ, with Murray out we needed another consistent scorer and MPJ proved he can be just that.

Not sure HIDING is what were doing with Nnaji and Bol, feels like they're just biding their time to wait for the right opportunity (whenever that is ?)

I'm not sure Simmons is the best fit next to Jokic, he has a plethora of talent but wouldn't his lack of shooting clog the lane ??

he is a great defender, cutter and passer.. it could work

[skywalker33]

I wouldn't bet on MPJ being untouchable. Him playing 40 mins looks like typical showcasing to me..
if harden goes to philly, it will happen sooner than later, so soon we will see
simmons will almost certainly go to houston, unless houston gets few solid players/prospects +picks package from philly and denver, and simmons ends up with us.
I also wouldn't be surprised we are actually hiding bol and nnaji, and they get significant minutes after the eventual trade

Have to disagree on MPJ, with Murray out we needed another consistent scorer and MPJ proved he can be just that.

Not sure HIDING is what were doing with Nnaji and Bol, feels like they're just biding their time to wait for the right opportunity (whenever that is ?)

I'm not sure Simmons is the best fit next to Jokic, he has a plethora of talent but wouldn't his lack of shooting clog the lane ??

he is a great defender, cutter and passer.. it could work

If you’ve watched Jokic, you know he excels with shooters around him. Same thing with Simmons. So they’re redundant so taking another shooter away from Jokic doesn’t make sense

[skywalker33]

See a LOT of TOR fans wanting us to trade MPJ for Pascal so they can get Harden. Now while I would love to get Pascal next to Jokic, can’t see us giving up on MPJ for someone 4yrs older, coming up on his big new contract while coming off discipline action from his own team for storming off the court after fouling out of a game. On top of that, hearing they want us to cough up draft picks so THEY can get Harden. LMAO

[The Rebel]

I barely see ourselves trying to acquire draft talent. We need stablished plug and play veterans.

@Rebel

Free agents signed this offseason can’t be traded before February 6, while players who meet certain criteria (re-signed with their own over-the-cap team via Bird or Early Bird rights and got a raise of at least 20%) can’t be traded until March 3, per Pincus (Twitter link). These dates are typically December 15 and January 15.



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Thank you for finding that, I have been looking for a couple of weeks.

That basically means that we are very limited on who we can even trade right now.

[The Rebel]

I wouldn't bet on MPJ being untouchable. Him playing 40 mins looks like typical showcasing to me..
if harden goes to philly, it will happen sooner than later, so soon we will see
simmons will almost certainly go to houston, unless houston gets few solid players/prospects +picks package from philly and denver, and simmons ends up with us.
I also wouldn't be surprised we are actually hiding bol and nnaji, and they get significant minutes after the eventual trade

Have to disagree on MPJ, with Murray out we needed another consistent scorer and MPJ proved he can be just that.

Not sure HIDING is what were doing with Nnaji and Bol, feels like they're just biding their time to wait for the right opportunity (whenever that is ?)

I'm not sure Simmons is the best fit next to Jokic, he has a plethora of talent but wouldn't his lack of shooting clog the lane ??

he is a great defender, cutter and passer.. it could work

Maybe you missed it? after game 2 Jokic told the media that he thinks MPJ should get more minutes and that they have to figure out how to use him. Last night MPJ's and Jokic went in and out of the game together a lot.

If what you call going on with Bol is hiding him than tell Malone he better get a lot better at it, he has been terrible in the minutes he has gotten. We need to hide him until we can trade him.

Simmons is a good defender, but his lack of a shot and his needing the ball in his hands is a huge problem for our offense. He allows teams to just put an extra guy in the paint through out the playoffs. I don't see the benefit.

What you seem to be missing is that MPJ is the perfect fit with Jokic and Murray. He is best off the ball, can shoot, and understand to either make his move or pass quickly. We don't need someone else that wants the ball in their hands all the time, I would prefer the ball stays in Jokic's hands.

We need a PF that can defend and a backup SF that will defend and play off the ball. There are a lot of ways to be involved without including MPJ where we can fill our needs around our 3 stars.

[The Rebel]

See a LOT of TOR fans wanting us to trade MPJ for Pascal so they can get Harden. Now while I would love to get Pascal next to Jokic, can’t see us giving up on MPJ for someone 4yrs older, coming up on his big new contract while coming off discipline action from his own team for storming off the court after fouling out of a game. On top of that, hearing they want us to cough up draft picks so THEY can get Harden. LMAO

I personally do not think Stan Kroenke is trading MPJ for anyone. I have posted the article a few times, it was Stan that made MPJ untouchable last year, and you know how bad we wanted Jrue or Beal last trade deadline. I would be very surprised if Stan trades him for anybody.

MPJ is the perfect fit with Jokic on both ends. We just need to be patient as we wait for him to develop his defense. It is better than it was last year, and will continue to get better.

We do have to figure out PF and the bench though, maybe we can use Barton's expiring to get someone we want?

[THE J0KER]

BOSTON: Harden
HOUSTON: Brown, Harris, Barton, BOS2021, DEN2021, BOS2023
DENVER: Smart, PJ Tucker

The money does not work for Houston, they are taking back 57+ million while only sending out $49 million and they are hard capped this year with the contract they gave Wood.

It is not that hard to be managed, but thinking twice "winning now" Celtics more need Barton than Rockets, while Houston needs more assets (last season #14 pick Langford) and Nuggets are interested to get this season #16 pick Nesmith who is SF (that will cost another, 2025 FRP and Cancar), so here is corrected offer:

BOSTON: Harden, Barton
HOUSTON: Brown, Harris, Langford, Cancar, BOS2021, DEN2021, BOS2023, DEN2025
DENVER: Smart, PJ Tucker, Nesmith

I'd be happy to swap Brown for Smart in that scenario

If you remember one of our discussions from last month, two-way near all-star young Brown would be my #1 trade target as the perfect solution for SG starter which will improve our offense without damage in defense after Harris gone. But I guess it would be too good to be true because Brown would be Houston's primal target in the Harden deal. That would probably cost Denver both 2020 draft picks, but with Brown in the 4-star roster would be completed and Denver would rise into TOP3 contender if not #1, while Rockets are set up for a deeper rebuild with probably 2021 and 2022 TOP5 picks due bottom-2 (with OKC) West records next two seasons but I guess with a very promising young core in 2023 with empty cap once Wall supermax expires.

BOSTON: Harden, Barton
HOUSTON: Smart, Harris, Langford, Nesmith, Hampton, Nnaji, BOS2021, DEN2021, BOS2023, DEN2025
DENVER: Brown, PJ Tucker

See a LOT of TOR fans wanting us to trade MPJ for Pascal so they can get Harden. Now while I would love to get Pascal next to Jokic, can’t see us giving up on MPJ for someone 4yrs older, coming up on his big new contract while coming off discipline action from his own team for storming off the court after fouling out of a game. On top of that, hearing they want us to cough up draft picks so THEY can get Harden. LMAO

Since episodes of Steve Francis, T-Mac, Carter, Kawhi... we know Canada has a big problem to hold/attract NBA stars to come or stay. If the Raptors targeted someone to be their new cornerstone I doubt it is Harden who will leave Canada already in 2022 most probably, but Jamal Murray, already the best Canadian player after Steve Nash with a bright future. I guess it would be deal like this:

TORONTO: Murray, Harris, Barton
DENVER: Siakam, Lowry, OG Anunoby

Toronto will finally get a franchise player who will stay forever and not leave the team with the first opportunity to go, while Nuggets are ON PAPER clear winner of the deal with getting for one all-star and two proven player two all-stars and one proven two-way player with better future than Harris/Barton. But everything can change already next season if Lowry decline to re-sign for less money as an already veteran. But we can resend Lowry to the team able to (over)pay him next summer and get an elite guard.

TORONTO: Murray, Harris, Barton
WASHINGTON: Lowry, Porter jr, Cancar
DENVER: Beal, Siakam, OG Anunoby, T.Brown, WAS2021

While I agree that Murray and Porter's ceiling is higher than Beal and Siakam fact is that Siakam and Beal are already established all-stars in their prime years while the value of OG with most probably lottery WAS2021 pick are much higher than Harris without offense and Barton. This blockbuster trade has even more sense if there is insider info in the background that Hampton is the future real deal and that Malone/Porter relationship is already malignant.


So, after one of these trades Denver 10-players playoff rotation will look like this:
Smart-Murray-Porter-Millsap-Jokic (Morris, Dozier, Tucker, Green, H'stein)
Murray-Brown-Porter-Millsap-Jokic (Morris, Dozier, Tucker, Green, H'stein)
Morris-Lowry-Porter-Siakam-Jokic (Dozier, OG, Green, Millsap, H'stein)
Morris-Beal-OG Anunoby-Siakam-Jokic (Dozier, T.Brown, Green, Millsap, H'stein)

[NuggetsWY]

The Joker's previous post contained some good explanations, but I'm just going to look at the suggested trades.

BOSTON: Harden, Barton
HOUSTON: Brown, Harris, Langford, Cancar, BOS2021, DEN2021, BOS2023, DEN2025
DENVER: Smart, PJ Tucker, Nesmith

I wouldn't object to this one.

BOSTON: Harden, Barton
HOUSTON: Smart, Harris, Langford, Nesmith, Hampton, Nnaji, BOS2021, DEN2021, BOS2023, DEN2025
DENVER: Brown, PJ Tucker

I'd like this one even better.

TORONTO: Murray, Harris, Barton
DENVER: Siakam, Lowry, OG Anunoby

I would love to get Siakim & Anunoby, but while I admire Lowry's game, I don't see him fitting in a Jokic-centric offense very well and giving up Murray just doesn't make sense to me.

TORONTO: Murray, Harris, Barton
WASHINGTON: Lowry, Porter jr, Cancar
DENVER: Beal, Siakam, OG Anunoby, T.Brown, WAS2021

This one is not acceptable IMO - not at all. Murray & Porter are perfect running mates for Jokic and while I like Beal & Siakim & Anunoby & Brown; those four are not worth Murray & Porter much less if you add in Harris & Barton & Cancar.

[FilNugsFan]

No wonder why many Nuggets fans are still clamoring for Harden probably out of disappointment on Harris and Barton. But I hope this poor start doesn't lead to drastic moves by our FO. Barton has to go though.

[NuggetsWY]

Nuggets needs:
Backup center
Power forward
Shooting guard
Trade Barton

Possible solutions:
Chicago - Markkanen as another big - would probably take a couple of young bench players and a pick or two. He'll expect a bigger contract next year though. He'd help as a backup center and power forward.

Minnesota - Interested in bringing back Juancho? They seem to regret signing him to that deal. A couple of young players and a 1st would be an overpay but he'd help at backup forward.

Orlando - Gordon can play defense at multiple positions. He'd have to adjust his offense, but I think he could. Orlando might not want to trade him with Isaac out for the year. Gordon would be a nice fit between Jokic and Porter at power forward.
But a nice matchup is trading Barton and Harris. This would leave Denver hurting at guard, but not terribly based on how Malone's play his plethora of PGs. Isaac might be an option, and I'd like him better but he won't help this year.

Indiana - Oladipo would provide a shooting guard. His contract is expiring, so it's a gamble. The Pacers might take Barton if we included a couple of Hampton, Dozier, Bol, Nnaji and/or a pick or two. He'd help at shooting guard and we could trade Barton.

My number 1 favorite is Washington trading Beal. It's going to cost though. To match salaries it's going to take Harris & Barton along with one of the $2m bench players. Washington will also want more than one 1st and they'll probably want three but might settle for two and a swap (or two). Beal's contract is for three years and that'll put him at 30 years old when we need to consider his future.

Murray & Beal
Porter & someone
Jokic

Looks good to me.

[skywalker33]

Nuggets needs:
Backup center
Power forward
Shooting guard
Trade Barton

Possible solutions:
Chicago - Markkanen as another big - would probably take a couple of young bench players and a pick or two. He'll expect a bigger contract next year though. He'd help as a backup center and power forward.

Minnesota - Interested in bringing back Juancho? They seem to regret signing him to that deal. A couple of young players and a 1st would be an overpay but he'd help at backup forward.

Orlando - Gordon can play defense at multiple positions. He'd have to adjust his offense, but I think he could. Orlando might not want to trade him with Isaac out for the year. Gordon would be a nice fit between Jokic and Porter at power forward.
But a nice matchup is trading Barton and Harris. This would leave Denver hurting at guard, but not terribly based on how Malone's play his plethora of PGs. Isaac might be an option, and I'd like him better but he won't help this year.

Indiana - Oladipo would provide a shooting guard. His contract is expiring, so it's a gamble. The Pacers might take Barton if we included a couple of Hampton, Dozier, Bol, Nnaji and/or a pick or two. He'd help at shooting guard and we could trade Barton.

My number 1 favorite is Washington trading Beal. It's going to cost though. To match salaries it's going to take Harris & Barton along with one of the $2m bench players. Washington will also want more than one 1st and they'll probably want three but might settle for two and a swap (or two). Beal's contract is for three years and that'll put him at 30 years old when we need to consider his future.

Murray & Beal
Porter & someone
Jokic

Looks good to me.

Laughing at bringing Juancho back here, especially at “a young player and a COUPLE of 1st” just ain’t happening.

As for the rest, I’d only consider Beal but this season he added Westbrook and they’re still not better, seeming to be a talented stat-stuffer. At this point, I’d only look to trade Barton, Harris, Milsap and perhaps Facu for young prospects and picks.I wouldn’t give up the draft pick this year, I’d start playing Zeke and RJ and look to get a high lottery pick, Cade Cunningham next to Murray would be AMAZING !! But that’s just me