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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#1481 » by sco » Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:27 pm

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Nate3carp wrote:I was thinking this last night too. Probably no team that has the assets for Beal will trade for Lavine until they know for sure that Beal is not a possibility. I thought the Wiz were going to be a good team, but they aren't close to gelling yet.

I just don't see us trading Zach in a "bag of magic beans" (i.e. a young decent player and a couple of future 1sts in the teens or 20's). I'd consider guys with #1 option potential like MPJ or maybe Herro, and definitely a guy like Simmons. Zach is showing me improved defense and less chucking this year...I want guys who continue to improve every year because they are obviously doing something right in how they prepare and it has a contagious effect on young guys. We had that with Deng who passed it along to Taj and Butler.

I would love to find a way to deal for Monte Morris in Denver or Rubio in Minn. Other than Simmons, those guys would be great for us.


I understand your point of view, but I'd be completely fine with a bag of beans package for Zach. I'm pretty sure that if we don't trade him, he's leaving in two years. And even if he isn't, he'll be looking for that 30+mil/year that he probably deserves, but that I wouldn't be willing to pay with this roster.
Just as examples of the type of player I'm talking about (not necessarily realistic targets), I'd probably be willing to deal him for one of Troy Brown Jr / Sekou Doumbouya/ Tyrese Haliburton / Jarrett Culver + a lightly protected 1st rounder.

I could deal with paying Zach if he becomes a plus defender and a more efficient scorer this season (as he's done the past couple games). His remaining chucking happens more when he's the primary ball handler, which is solvable either through Coby's improvement or replacement (which is much easier to find that Zach's offense). Also, the opportunity cost of signing Zach is likely to be low as the FO, if they do their job, should be able to keep enough flexibility to bring in another MAX player in the future.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#1482 » by erasmusmrr » Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:13 pm

Beal is mad, maybe available.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#1483 » by sco » Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:20 pm

I wonder if a deal with Minny could work:

Something like Lauri, Sato plus Hutch or Gafford for Rubio and Culver or Beasley.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#1484 » by leo921 » Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:00 pm

Bulls trade White/Young/Hutchinson for Nuggets Porter Jr/Harris

For Nuggets they swap Porter for White and defensive role players for the better teams and especially for the playoffs. Nuggets still have plenty of offensive firepower after the trade Murray/White/Jokic but now have more wings and mix and match role players plus getting off the Harris bad money deal. White is more of a SG with a great 3 pt shot and will feast with the great passes of Jokic and the attention given to Jokic and Murray

Bulls get Porter at the cost of White and taking on Harris contract. Bulls can now play lots of different lineups between Williams/Porter/Lauri at the 3/4 spots. Start Sato/Lavine/Porter/Lauri/Carter and still have players like Archi/Temple/Williams/Otto/Gafford off the bench. Can even run lineups like Sato/Lavine/Williams/Porter/Lauri and really stretch defenses.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#1485 » by sco » Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:24 pm

leo921 wrote:Bulls trade White/Young/Hutchinson for Nuggets Porter Jr/Harris

For Nuggets they swap Porter for White and defensive role players for the better teams and especially for the playoffs. Nuggets still have plenty of offensive firepower after the trade Murray/White/Jokic but now have more wings and mix and match role players plus getting off the Harris bad money deal. White is more of a SG with a great 3 pt shot and will feast with the great passes of Jokic and the attention given to Jokic and Murray

Bulls get Porter at the cost of White and taking on Harris contract. Bulls can now play lots of different lineups between Williams/Porter/Lauri at the 3/4 spots. Start Sato/Lavine/Porter/Lauri/Carter and still have players like Archi/Temple/Williams/Otto/Gafford off the bench. Can even run lineups like Sato/Lavine/Williams/Porter/Lauri and really stretch defenses.

Don't see them trading MPJ for less than a superstar, even with salary dump. White doesn't get you much in trade. Don't even think Zach/Pwill gets him. I think guy to target in Denver is Morris.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#1486 » by MrSparkle » Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:41 am

Thybulle seems to have fallen way out of PHI's rotation. Any reason to watch him? Assuming he's just a shooting liability for Simmons/Embiid...
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#1487 » by 2weekswithpay » Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:23 am

MrSparkle wrote:Thybulle seems to have fallen way out of PHI's rotation. Any reason to watch him? Assuming he's just a shooting liability for Simmons/Embiid...


Thybulle missed some of training camp so I'd expect an increase in minutes later on assuming his lack of offense doesn't stop Doc from playing him.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#1488 » by Chi town » Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:07 pm

Per WT - Rockets want MPJ. Nuggs willing to be a facilitator without receiving Harden.

I could see AK getting involved too.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#1489 » by sco » Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:13 pm

Chi town wrote:Per WT - Rockets want MPJ. Nuggs willing to be a facilitator without receiving Harden.

I could see AK getting involved too.

Not sure how, but I guess our 2021 pick unprotected could be useful. I guess if Houston ends up with Simmons, I'd be willing to take Wall if he plays healthy for a while, but I think Wall shouldn't cost much because of his contract/healthy (but he looked great in the preseason).
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#1490 » by Chi town » Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:18 pm

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Chi town wrote:Per WT - Rockets want MPJ. Nuggs willing to be a facilitator without receiving Harden.

I could see AK getting involved too.

Not sure how, but I guess our 2021 pick unprotected could be useful. I guess if Houston ends up with Simmons, I'd be willing to take Wall if he plays healthy for a while, but I think Wall shouldn't cost much because of his contract/healthy (but he looked great in the preseason).


No way AK trades for Wall and that contract. No way he trades away a future 1st either. Those limit shaping the roster with his picks and players.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#1491 » by DroseReturnChi » Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:31 pm

Trade Sato for Dinwiddie.
Trade Lavine, Carter for Randle, 21,23 pick, Rob.
Trade White for Ball, Hayes.

Ball,Din,Rob, Lauri, max FA with pair of 21' picks is good core to match Hawks.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#1492 » by Jimako10 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:40 pm

There were rumors that DEN wanted Lavine in the off season. Lavine would be a perfect fit in DEN as he wouldn't have to create anymore and just play a Klay Thompson-ish role. If we could get a haul for Lavine and Gary Harris's contract, I'd definitely be inclined to listen.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#1493 » by sco » Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:40 pm

DroseReturnChi wrote:Trade Sato for Dinwiddie.
Trade Lavine, Carter for Randle, 21,23 pick, Rob.
Trade White for Ball, Hayes.

Ball,Din,Rob, Lauri, max FA with pair of 21' picks is good core to match Hawks.

You do all that and keep Lauri? Huh.

I love the idea of buying low on Dinwiddie though. Can't see the Knicks deal...I'm not sure Thibs is a fan. Randle is having a great season, so I'm not seeing their motivation as much as I would have coming into the season. If White somehow becomes good enough to fetch Ball in return, I don't want to trade him, as things stand, no way NO says yes.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#1494 » by Nate3carp » Thu Dec 31, 2020 7:47 pm

Jimako10 wrote:There were rumors that DEN wanted Lavine in the off season. Lavine would be a perfect fit in DEN as he wouldn't have to create anymore and just play a Klay Thompson-ish role. If we could get a haul for Lavine and Gary Harris's contract, I'd definitely be inclined to listen.

Curious what you think the haul would be? I don’t think they’d give up Porter for Lavine and I personally wouldn’t trade Lavine for Denver’s mid 20s picks (doubt they are higher than that for the foreseeable future).
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#1495 » by MrSparkle » Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:07 pm

I know MPJ is a hot commodity, but I will say... His defense is a problem. I'm not sure why DEN doesn't just get into the Harden sweepstakes, despite his erratic behavior. I don't see the Nuggets beating LAx.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#1496 » by Kukoc-Lauri » Thu Dec 31, 2020 9:22 pm

Zach Lavine, Otto Porter Jr., W.Carter Jr. for Michael Porter Jr., Gary Harris, Monte Morris. Tank for season or just play, we are bad enough. Draft Cade/Suggs, resign Lauri 4/80. Sign Jarett Allen in free agency 3/54. Cade Cunningham/Coby White/Michel Porter Jr./Lauri Markkanen/Jarett Allen. Bench Monte Morris/Tomas Satoransky/Garry Harris/Patrick Williams/Daniel Gafford. Dotson/Mokoka/Hutchinson/Marko Simonovic.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#1497 » by Chi town » Fri Jan 1, 2021 5:46 am

With Dinwiddie going down and the Bulls owing Sato and Thad 13M in buyouts next year... I could see a Lavert for Thad and Sato trade.

Lavert would be a great playmaking SF for us. He makes 17M per. Only issue is he gets injured a lot.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#1498 » by Southpaw » Fri Jan 1, 2021 5:57 am

I was wondering if there was a way we can pry Min 1st and/or Wiseman away from GSW. Lavine + Porter would help them a lot but it'd require us to take on both Green and Wiggins.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#1499 » by 2weekswithpay » Fri Jan 1, 2021 10:15 am

Southpaw wrote:I was wondering if there was a way we can pry Min 1st and/or Wiseman away from GSW. Lavine + Porter would help them a lot but it'd require us to take on both Green and Wiggins.


Probably not since GSW is trying to keep their title window open for now and trading Wiseman or Minny's 1st would be counterproductive. A one year Porter rental and Lavine wouldn't be enough to compete with the Lakers, Clippers or Nuggets with Klay being out the entire season. Porter and Lavine can help GSW get under the tax for next season though so if GSW's front office decides that Curry, Klay and Draymond aren't worth the luxury tax bill then there could be something there.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#1500 » by Ccwatercraft » Fri Jan 1, 2021 12:14 pm

2weekswithpay wrote:
Southpaw wrote:I was wondering if there was a way we can pry Min 1st and/or Wiseman away from GSW. Lavine + Porter would help them a lot but it'd require us to take on both Green and Wiggins.


Probably not since GSW is trying to keep their title window open for now and trading Wiseman or Minny's 1st would be counterproductive. A one year Porter rental and Lavine wouldn't be enough to compete with the Lakers, Clippers or Nuggets with Klay being out the entire season. Porter and Lavine can help GSW get under the tax for next season though so if GSW's front office decides that Curry, Klay and Draymond aren't worth the luxury tax bill then there could be something there.


Their luxury tax bill is absurd!

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