Around the NBA streets Vol. 7: It's not like I like you or anything! Ibaka!

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Too late, we're not giving up Herro for him.

Iggy/KO/Nunn/picks for Beal works in the checker! Can absorb Ish Smith into the JJ TPE if they want cap relief as well

[AirP.]

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Too late, we're not giving up Herro for him.

Iggy/KO/Nunn/picks for Beal works in the checker! Can absorb Ish Smith into the JJ TPE if they want cap relief as well

I EASILY give up Herro in a package for Beal because of the window with Butler, if Butler wasn't in Miami maybe I don't. I had hoped fans would realize how close this team is after the finals watching Butler will this team to 2 wins in the playoffs but I guess not. It's VERY possible Miami won't have another player who can do what Butler can do on the biggest stage for a long, long time.

[eddieheatfan]

i want harden period

[MiamiLoyal926]

Too late, we're not giving up Herro for him.

Iggy/KO/Nunn/picks for Beal works in the checker! Can absorb Ish Smith into the JJ TPE if they want cap relief as well

I EASILY give up Herro in a package for Beal because of the window with Butler, if Butler wasn't in Miami maybe I don't. I had hoped fans would realize how close this team is after the finals watching Butler will this team to 2 wins in the playoffs but I guess not. It's VERY possible Miami won't have another player who can do what Butler can do on the biggest stage for a long, long time.

Based on what Herro did for us in the playoffs, how he is taking form now, and comparing it to the type of contributions Beal can make, my question to you is how much extra would Beal be bringing to the table? Is Beal enough to do addition by subtraction? How much subtracting are you talking about to add just one extra player into a role/position already filled by a young player that seems to be doing a fine job of growing into that role?

I know you are hell bent on making a trade, but it seems you are looking to throw caution to the wind just to get Butler help. You are willing to throw our assets at any shiny object for instant gratification regardless. I’ve said it before, absorbing Oladipo into our cap space next year is a better move than addition by subtraction of what has been proposed for players like Harden and Beal. KO, Iggy, Nunn, and a first for Oladipo at trade deadline is the most I would consider moving. If Wizards would take something similar for Beal, then of course I prefer Beal! But why pay an arm and a leg for Beal when we can get a similar player in Oladipo for much less!

[AirP.]

Iggy/KO/Nunn/picks for Beal works in the checker! Can absorb Ish Smith into the JJ TPE if they want cap relief as well

I EASILY give up Herro in a package for Beal because of the window with Butler, if Butler wasn't in Miami maybe I don't. I had hoped fans would realize how close this team is after the finals watching Butler will this team to 2 wins in the playoffs but I guess not. It's VERY possible Miami won't have another player who can do what Butler can do on the biggest stage for a long, long time.

Based on what Herro did for us in the playoffs, how he is taking form now, and comparing it to the type of contributions Beal can make, my question to you is how much extra would Beal be bringing to the table? Is Beal enough to do addition by subtraction? How much subtracting are you talking about to add just one extra player into a role/position already filled by a young player that seems to be doing a fine job of growing into that role?

I know you are hell bent on making a trade, but it seems you are looking to throw caution to the wind just to get Butler help. You are willing to throw our assets at any shiny object for instant gratification regardless. I’ve said it before, absorbing Oladipo into our cap space next year is a better move than addition by subtraction of what has been proposed for players like Harden and Beal. KO, Iggy, Nunn, and a first for Oladipo at trade deadline is the most I would consider moving. If Wizards would take something similar for Beal, then of course I prefer Beal! But why pay an arm and a leg for Beal when we can get a similar player in Oladipo for much less!

I'm hell bent on getting the most talent to Miami while Butler is in his prime, in 2-3 years he may drop as a player to just very good and although Tyler can score, he's not a complete player at this point in his career.

Beal can be a solid #1 option.

BTW... you're kidding yourself with getting Oladipo for next to nothing. They'll be asking for Robinson or Herro at the very least if not both and their will be bidders if he's getting back to where he once was and if he's not, why would Miami trade for him?

The guys I'd like to see Miami go after would be DeRozen, Aldridge, Lowery, Harden, O.Porter, D.Rose, Z.LaVine but there are others like B.Hield, Beal, Randle, Redick, Griffin, Bjelica, R.Gay. Of course the prices fluctuate greatly on each of these players.

I'm not infatuated with Beal nor really interested all that much with him although he'd be a nice fit with Butler and Bam, I'd rather see Miami look at other options for instance I'd go after a younger possibly cheaper cost player like LaVine for a scorer but I take both over Herro for Butler's window.

What Herro did in the playoffs? He had some nice games yes, but overall his ORTG-DRTG was -8 for last year's playoffs, so a few "big" games really put a band aid over a lot of his bad play some fans. He has potential but he's a few years away from being a real positive every game. I'm still not sure he'll ever be a top 30 player. Do you believe he'll be better then Dragic? I don't think so.

[IggieCC]

It's hard to say Beal will be a needle mover for us or not but the core of Beal Jimmy, Bam is very intriguing. If other teams don't make any moves (unlikely) we should be the favorite to come out of the East if we get Beal without losing Rob (unlikely?).

If KD and Kyrie keep their productions up, I feel that we'll need to counter the starpower with Beard but there are a lot of IFs. It's a situation worth monitoring obviously.

[Beenie]

I EASILY give up Herro in a package for Beal because of the window with Butler, if Butler wasn't in Miami maybe I don't. I had hoped fans would realize how close this team is after the finals watching Butler will this team to 2 wins in the playoffs but I guess not. It's VERY possible Miami won't have another player who can do what Butler can do on the biggest stage for a long, long time.

Based on what Herro did for us in the playoffs, how he is taking form now, and comparing it to the type of contributions Beal can make, my question to you is how much extra would Beal be bringing to the table? Is Beal enough to do addition by subtraction? How much subtracting are you talking about to add just one extra player into a role/position already filled by a young player that seems to be doing a fine job of growing into that role?

I know you are hell bent on making a trade, but it seems you are looking to throw caution to the wind just to get Butler help. You are willing to throw our assets at any shiny object for instant gratification regardless. I’ve said it before, absorbing Oladipo into our cap space next year is a better move than addition by subtraction of what has been proposed for players like Harden and Beal. KO, Iggy, Nunn, and a first for Oladipo at trade deadline is the most I would consider moving. If Wizards would take something similar for Beal, then of course I prefer Beal! But why pay an arm and a leg for Beal when we can get a similar player in Oladipo for much less!

I'm hell bent on getting the most talent to Miami while Butler is in his prime, in 2-3 years he may drop as a player to just very good and although Tyler can score, he's not a complete player at this point in his career.

Beal can be a solid #1 option.

BTW... you're kidding yourself with getting Oladipo for next to nothing. They'll be asking for Robinson or Herro at the very least if not both and their will be bidders if he's getting back to where he once was and if he's not, why would Miami trade for him?

The guys I'd like to see Miami go after would be DeRozen, Aldridge, Lowery, Harden, O.Porter, D.Rose, Z.LaVine but there are others like B.Hield, Beal, Randle, Redick, Griffin, Bjelica, R.Gay. Of course the prices fluctuate greatly on each of these players.

I'm not infatuated with Beal nor really interested all that much with him although he'd be a nice fit with Butler and Bam, I'd rather see Miami look at other options for instance I'd go after a younger possibly cheaper cost player like LaVine for a scorer but I take both over Herro for Butler's window.

What Herro did in the playoffs? He had some nice games yes, but overall his ORTG-DRTG was -8 for last year's playoffs, so a few "big" games really put a band aid over a lot of his bad play some fans. He has potential but he's a few years away from being a real positive every game. I'm still not sure he'll ever be a top 30 player. Do you believe he'll be better then Dragic? I don't think so.

I think Oladipo can be had for pick(s).

BTW, I like Beal but whatever net gains the team would conceivably make by adding him and subtracting Herro the 2 or 3 other players and picks that it would take to get him would not be enough to put Mia over the top.

[Bishop45]

It's hard to say Beal will be a needle mover for us or not but the core of Beal Jimmy, Bam is very intriguing. If other teams don't make any moves (unlikely) we should be the favorite to come out of the East if we get Beal without losing Rob (unlikely?).

If KD and Kyrie keep their productions up, I feel that we'll need to counter the starpower with Beard but there are a lot of IFs. It's a situation worth monitoring obviously.

If Sixers get Harden, the East would still be a contested, if not an uphill, battle. Beal is good, KD and Harden are great. Harden/Biid, KD/Kyrie in the playoffs would be hell for any defense


No telling if Beal ever becomes available anyway, Wiz have been piss for about half a decade and he still hasn't shown a desire to wave a white flag. Him and Yanni are city bois

[Bishop45]

Funny guy, funny guy

[MiamiLoyal926]

I EASILY give up Herro in a package for Beal because of the window with Butler, if Butler wasn't in Miami maybe I don't. I had hoped fans would realize how close this team is after the finals watching Butler will this team to 2 wins in the playoffs but I guess not. It's VERY possible Miami won't have another player who can do what Butler can do on the biggest stage for a long, long time.

Based on what Herro did for us in the playoffs, how he is taking form now, and comparing it to the type of contributions Beal can make, my question to you is how much extra would Beal be bringing to the table? Is Beal enough to do addition by subtraction? How much subtracting are you talking about to add just one extra player into a role/position already filled by a young player that seems to be doing a fine job of growing into that role?

I know you are hell bent on making a trade, but it seems you are looking to throw caution to the wind just to get Butler help. You are willing to throw our assets at any shiny object for instant gratification regardless. I’ve said it before, absorbing Oladipo into our cap space next year is a better move than addition by subtraction of what has been proposed for players like Harden and Beal. KO, Iggy, Nunn, and a first for Oladipo at trade deadline is the most I would consider moving. If Wizards would take something similar for Beal, then of course I prefer Beal! But why pay an arm and a leg for Beal when we can get a similar player in Oladipo for much less!

I'm hell bent on getting the most talent to Miami while Butler is in his prime, in 2-3 years he may drop as a player to just very good and although Tyler can score, he's not a complete player at this point in his career.

Beal can be a solid #1 option.

BTW... you're kidding yourself with getting Oladipo for next to nothing. They'll be asking for Robinson or Herro at the very least if not both and their will be bidders if he's getting back to where he once was and if he's not, why would Miami trade for him?

The guys I'd like to see Miami go after would be DeRozen, Aldridge, Lowery, Harden, O.Porter, D.Rose, Z.LaVine but there are others like B.Hield, Beal, Randle, Redick, Griffin, Bjelica, R.Gay. Of course the prices fluctuate greatly on each of these players.

I'm not infatuated with Beal nor really interested all that much with him although he'd be a nice fit with Butler and Bam, I'd rather see Miami look at other options for instance I'd go after a younger possibly cheaper cost player like LaVine for a scorer but I take both over Herro for Butler's window.

What Herro did in the playoffs? He had some nice games yes, but overall his ORTG-DRTG was -8 for last year's playoffs, so a few "big" games really put a band aid over a lot of his bad play some fans. He has potential but he's a few years away from being a real positive every game. I'm still not sure he'll ever be a top 30 player. Do you believe he'll be better then Dragic? I don't think so.

Oladipo is a free agent at the end of this season... price will me MUCH cheaper for him than Beal even if Oladipo has another all star level season. If you don’t believe me, remind me how we got Butler?

There are several names on your list of players I would gladly like for us to target mainly because they will likely not require us to forfeit too much to get them. When you start throwing in multiple names from our squad that were key rotation players on our finals run, especially some of our more promising up and up players, then you start to get into the realm that the subtraction is way too big for the addition you want. And if so, will it be enough to get us back to the finals? Players on expiring contracts will be cheaper to get than players like Beal and Harden. This is why I bring up Oladipo over Beal.

[AirP.]

Oladipo is a free agent at the end of this season... price will me MUCH cheaper for him than Beal even if Oladipo has another all star level season. If you don’t believe me, remind me how we got Butler?

There are several names on your list of players I would gladly like for us to target mainly because they will likely not require us to forfeit too much to get them. When you start throwing in multiple names from our squad that were key rotation players on our finals run, especially some of our more promising up and up players, then you start to get into the realm that the subtraction is way too big for the addition you want. And if so, will it be enough to get us back to the finals? Players on expiring contracts will be cheaper to get than players like Beal and Harden. This is why I bring up Oladipo over Beal.

Of course he'll be cheaper, just not as cheap as people think, they never all. If Oladipo gets back to how he was Indiana may just resign him or work with him to sign and trade him to get him somewhere without enough cap space.

Butler forced his way to Miami after hearing someone in the Philly FO/coaching staff ask someone if they could "handle" Butler if resigned, it was a pretty unique situation. Oladipo is going to be looking for the most money he can get after being somewhat of a bargain at 21 mil for 4 years.

Miami doesn't need some "upgrades", they need players who will be able to contribute at the higher levels of the playoffs in the next 2-3 playoffs. I feel good with Butler, Bam, Dragic, Iggy, and Bradley, outside of that I don't feel very comfortable with the rest of the roster contributing in an overall positive manner at the later rounds of the playoffs. I really don't care what Herro may be MOST of his career, I care about what he'll be this playoffs and for the next 2 playoffs. He'll have situations where he'll have great games but he'll also be a negative for a majority of the playoffs like he was last year.

I just don't get it, if you can add a proven NBA scorer (~30 ppg) to team up with 2 good facilitators that happen to be great defensively in Butler and Bam why does everyone hesitate doing it? I keep hearing about going after whales, you got one with Butler, you may have another in Bam, why not go and make sure you get a 3rd and let this great FO find some solid role-players to put around them?

[IggieCC]

It's hard to say Beal will be a needle mover for us or not but the core of Beal Jimmy, Bam is very intriguing. If other teams don't make any moves (unlikely) we should be the favorite to come out of the East if we get Beal without losing Rob (unlikely?).

If KD and Kyrie keep their productions up, I feel that we'll need to counter the starpower with Beard but there are a lot of IFs. It's a situation worth monitoring obviously.

If Sixers get Harden, the East would still be a contested, if not an uphill, battle. Beal is good, KD and Harden are great. Harden/Biid, KD/Kyrie in the playoffs would be hell for any defense


No telling if Beal ever becomes available anyway, Wiz have been piss for about half a decade and he still hasn't shown a desire to wave a white flag. Him and Yanni are city bois

Yup. The situation has become eerily similar to Kawhi situation in 2018. Someone will get him on discount (probably not that much since Harden has 2 more years) and it will probably be the East team realistically. Of all worst case scenarios I want him going to the Sixers (for the very reason you mentioned). Once Houston gets the deal that is acceptable, they will probably run it by all of the rival teams to fish out the best available offer though. Hope we'll be there to make the right decision whatever it may be.

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[Bishop45]

Wow. Just found out MF is gone. This is crazy

[DayofMourning]

Wow. Just found out MF is gone. This is crazy

MF?

Monkey feathers?

[Bishop45]

Wow. Just found out MF is gone. This is crazy

MF?

Monkey feathers?

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[shanedude]

Beal blew the game. 0-5. Oof

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[twix2500]

Wow. Just found out MF is gone. This is crazy

MF?

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Yeah im just seeing it. I use to be in spots with him like 20 yrs ago.

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