Possible Lowry Trade Destinations

[Indeed]

It does. This trade suggestion was first made (As far as I know) by a poster named Creamy. Except he had Maxey coming back instead of the first rounder. It works in the trade checkers.

Danny Green/Mike Scott/Matisse Thybulle and a 1st round pick
This does not work on the trade tracker, please check it yourself.

You must be using those same salary cap tools that your favourite GM Colangelo used when he signed Matt Barnes.

I use ESPN trade machine, and that didn't work.
Meanwhile, once we add all those players, who are we waiving? And what exact did we get? Why not just waive Lowry?

[mdenny]

Warriors is an interesting spot. If we decide to give up on cap space next year. Lowry for Wiggins + Warriors pick + Wolves pick. With this trade we would probably finish int he lottery too. Potentially 3 lottery picks.

Lowry + siakam
for
wiggins, klay injury exemption space, wiseman, minny 2021 pick

It's bold but I'd think about it. Watching Durant post-torn Achilles....I wonder if medical advancements have changed the projection for these injuries. Also curious if they're allowed to use steroids of some kind during recovery. I mean....if they're not allowed they SHOULD be. There's quality of life elements in play. If normal ppl are allowed to use them than players should.

[KL78192020]

Danny Green/Mike Scott/Matisse Thybulle and a 1st round pick
This does not work on the trade tracker, please check it yourself.

You must be using those same salary cap tools that your favourite GM Colangelo used when he signed Matt Barnes.

I use ESPN trade machine, and that didn't work.
Meanwhile, once we add all those players, who are we waiving? And what exact did we get? Why not just waive Lowry?

Really? You can't figure out what you're getting in that trade? 1st round pick and a prospect in Thybulle. You can waive Green/Scott or any of the scrubs already on the Raptors.

[mdenny]

Danny Green/Mike Scott/Matisse Thybulle and a 1st round pick
This does not work on the trade tracker, please check it yourself.

You must be using those same salary cap tools that your favourite GM Colangelo used when he signed Matt Barnes.

I use ESPN trade machine, and that didn't work.
Meanwhile, once we add all those players, who are we waiving? And what exact did we get? Why not just waive Lowry?

Because we would want the two first round contracts (thybulle + the pick). That's 4 years locked in at 2 milly per year cap hit for 2 players who could potentially be worth way more than that. Those are the exact contracts would enabled our chip run (siakam and OG). Those rookie contracts are worth their weight in gold even if the players only end up being role players. You can't sign decent role players for 2 milly per year for 4 years.

Just add Poirier into Philly's package and it works in trade machines.

[JN]

Danny Green/Mike Scott/Matisse Thybulle and a 1st round pick
This does not work on the trade tracker, please check it yourself.

You must be using those same salary cap tools that your favourite GM Colangelo used when he signed Matt Barnes.

I use ESPN trade machine, and that didn't work.
Meanwhile, once we add all those players, who are we waiving? And what exact did we get? Why not just waive Lowry?

You would rather waive Lowry, then get a first rounder + Thybulle?
So what if we waive Expiring Contracts like Green+Scott.

[Indeed]

You must be using those same salary cap tools that your favourite GM Colangelo used when he signed Matt Barnes.

I use ESPN trade machine, and that didn't work.
Meanwhile, once we add all those players, who are we waiving? And what exact did we get? Why not just waive Lowry?

Because we would want the two first round contracts (thybulle + the pick). That's 4 years locked in at 2 milly per year cap hit for 2 players who could potentially be worth way more than that. Those are the exact contracts would enabled our chip run (siakam and OG). Those rookie contracts are worth their weight in gold even if the players only end up being role players. You can't sign decent role players for 2 milly per year for 4 years.

Just add Poirier into Philly's package and it works in trade machines.

Again, salary does not match on ESPN trade machine, you need to add 2m to it, meaning you are getting Thybulle + the pick + another player.
Now, adding Thybulle and Poirier mean you still need to drop two players, right?

[mdenny]

Assuming that our tough schedule gets the better of us and we look towards trading Lowry, what are the realistic destinations?

- Must have matching contacts, trade exceptions or space
- Must have a first round pick to trade and possibly seconds
- Must have a need for his position
- Must be making either a title push or looking to make big noise in the playoffs

Here’s what I came up with that fit the criteria:

- Utah
- Dallas
- Philly
- Brooklyn
- Portland
- Indiana

Anyone else?

I know it's all about the 2 PG backcourt now, but (a) I disagree with that principle, and (b) despite his girth, Lowry is too small to make it work with another traditionally-sized PG - Kyrie for example.

Kyle might fit with Brogdon. Ideal trade would be with Norm to Indy for VO and Myles Turner. Masai would have to add draft picks to make that work.

But generally, Sixers and Mavs are the obvious targets. I've unsuccessfully tried to make a Mavs deal work, whereby Raps get back assets worth trading GROAT for. Sixers are in cap hell for the foreseeable future with the Tobias Harris contract, and while he shot well against us a few days ago, I don't see it as our job to help the Sixers out of it. Not without a bunch of picks and pick swaps and/or a prospect or two (Thybuile?). The alternative trade would involve Danny plus other expirings for Lowry. But that would still require a lot of draft capital, because Masai would basically be handing a Finals berth to Philly. Part of me wants to see it happen, so that GROAT confirms his spot in the HOF, and KD, Kyrie and Giannis are again relegated to spectator status in the Finals.

Do you really think adding Lowry would enable Philly to beat the Nets? I don't.....but it probably gives them a better shot than anyone else.

I agree that the Nets don't really benefit from Kyle. I do think the Nuggets would....They could use an intangible guy to pair with Murray. Also agree that he'd be very useful to the Mavs.

In re of Dallas....how bout Johnson, finney-Smith, Terry, green?

Doesn't work in trade checker but it's damn close and I'm pretty sure they should be able to finesse it. I think Dallas would just have to buy out or waive one of their scrubs first. It's essentially the same as the proposed Philly trade: Expirings and prospects.

[KL78192020]

I use ESPN trade machine, and that didn't work.
Meanwhile, once we add all those players, who are we waiving? And what exact did we get? Why not just waive Lowry?

Because we would want the two first round contracts (thybulle + the pick). That's 4 years locked in at 2 milly per year cap hit for 2 players who could potentially be worth way more than that. Those are the exact contracts would enabled our chip run (siakam and OG). Those rookie contracts are worth their weight in gold even if the players only end up being role players. You can't sign decent role players for 2 milly per year for 4 years.

Just add Poirier into Philly's package and it works in trade machines.

Again, salary does not match on ESPN trade machine, you need to add 2m to it, meaning you are getting Thybulle + the pick + another player.
Now, adding Thybulle and Poirier mean you still need to drop two players, right?

lol dude this is the easiest trade to make. You're stressing over semantics here.

[mdenny]

I use ESPN trade machine, and that didn't work.
Meanwhile, once we add all those players, who are we waiving? And what exact did we get? Why not just waive Lowry?

Because we would want the two first round contracts (thybulle + the pick). That's 4 years locked in at 2 milly per year cap hit for 2 players who could potentially be worth way more than that. Those are the exact contracts would enabled our chip run (siakam and OG). Those rookie contracts are worth their weight in gold even if the players only end up being role players. You can't sign decent role players for 2 milly per year for 4 years.

Just add Poirier into Philly's package and it works in trade machines.

Again, salary does not match on ESPN trade machine, you need to add 2m to it, meaning you are getting Thybulle + the pick + another player.
Now, adding Thybulle and Poirier mean you still need to drop two players, right?

It works for me. You sure you're entering in the right players?

It's Green, Scott, Thybulle and Poirier.

And yes....you'll have to waive someone after the trade as we'll have too many players on the roster. That's worth it for Thybulle and a first rounder.

[Skeezo]

I'm not sure they are the best option, but the Warriors are certainly an interesting partner simply because their enormous tax bill in relation to their current burn-rate of cash with no fans in stands opens up added leverage... I don't know how the GS ownership group can continue to field huge losses while already making major investments into a new stadium that sits empty.

Lowry not only improve their chances to compete this year with Klay out, but his expiring contract must have significant value to allow a team like the Warriors to get out of some future salary and substantial luxury tax implications.

Something centered around Lowry for Klay with us committing to a tank (resting guys who have played a ton of ball, force feeding OG possessions, lots of Flynn and Watson) and operating over the cap this year is interesting. Raps could even take on Looney's contract to save Golden State 20M or so in tax money next year, or expand it with Draymond and Norm and Baynes + McCaw/Johnson and you've got big savings for Golden State even if they resign Norm and they can throw out Wiseman at the 5, Oubre/Wiggins/Powell on the wings and Lowry and Curry at guard and they still have the Minny First and their own to make a move for another forward they'd need (either move up in the draft or trade it for a more win now guy) and the Taxpayer MLE to get their backup 5 this summer.

I like your creativity of simultaneously swinging for the fences by seeking to trade for an injured high-risk high-reward player like Klay while also increasing the chances of a stealth tank for this year... Kudos!

However, I'm just not sure GS is willing to cash out on the Curry/Thompson combo just yet... I might be willing just to keep it simple with a Lowry for Wiggins, 2021 1st Rd (Minnesota), 2022 2nd Rd (Toronto) + cash... That Minnesota pick is likely a lottery selection, not mention our own pick that will likely be higher by trading Lowry out... That means 2 high quality picks in next years draft

Hopefully Raps can rehabilitate Wiggins to increase his value over the next couple years and include him in a future trade for a high-paid Franchise piece.

[Indeed]

Because we would want the two first round contracts (thybulle + the pick). That's 4 years locked in at 2 milly per year cap hit for 2 players who could potentially be worth way more than that. Those are the exact contracts would enabled our chip run (siakam and OG). Those rookie contracts are worth their weight in gold even if the players only end up being role players. You can't sign decent role players for 2 milly per year for 4 years.

Just add Poirier into Philly's package and it works in trade machines.

Again, salary does not match on ESPN trade machine, you need to add 2m to it, meaning you are getting Thybulle + the pick + another player.
Now, adding Thybulle and Poirier mean you still need to drop two players, right?

lol dude this is the easiest trade to make. You're stressing over semantics here.

My point is there is no benefit in this trade for us.

[tecumseh18]

But generally, Sixers and Mavs are the obvious targets. I've unsuccessfully tried to make a Mavs deal work, whereby Raps get back assets worth trading GROAT for. Sixers are in cap hell for the foreseeable future with the Tobias Harris contract, and while he shot well against us a few days ago, I don't see it as our job to help the Sixers out of it. Not without a bunch of picks and pick swaps and/or a prospect or two (Thybuile?). The alternative trade would involve Danny plus other expirings for Lowry. But that would still require a lot of draft capital, because Masai would basically be handing a Finals berth to Philly. Part of me wants to see it happen, so that GROAT confirms his spot in the HOF, and KD, Kyrie and Giannis are again relegated to spectator status in the Finals.

Do you really think adding Lowry would enable Philly to beat the Nets? I don't.....but it probably gives them a better shot than anyone else.

I agree that the Nets don't really benefit from Kyle. I do think the Nuggets would....They could use an intangible guy to pair with Murray. Also agree that he'd be very useful to the Mavs.

In re of Dallas....how bout Johnson, finney-Smith, Terry, green?

Doesn't work in trade checker but it's damn close and I'm pretty sure they should be able to finesse it. I think Dallas would just have to buy out or waive one of their scrubs first. It's essentially the same as the proposed Philly trade: Expirings and prospects.

I've always liked Dinwiddie, and the Nets without him are a bit less formidable. Depth is a big issue when your superstars are both coming off big injuries. The fact that KD can still shoot lights out, and probably will until he's 40 doesn't mean he has the same mobility on defence. In Game 5 of the Finals (which I attended), Raps had already got KD to commit two fouls before his ankle gave way. He wouldn't have been a positive factor for GSW even if he had been able to continue in
the game/series. Nurse would have targeted him, and he'll be targeted by coaches in this season's playoffs.

I think any trade would have to have Kyle's blessing, simply out of respect, and the Sixers seem like the obvious choice for that. Kyle is a leader who can shoot the hell out of the three ball. Simmons can move up to his natural position of point forward. Yes, I think Kyle puts the Sixers in the Finals.

Dallas sent out a lot of picks in the Porzingas deal. Not sure they have the draft capital or prospects to make a deal worthwhile. The next FRP they can send us is in 2025. Pick swaps in 2022 and 2024 will probably not benefit the Raptors any.

[mdenny]

But generally, Sixers and Mavs are the obvious targets. I've unsuccessfully tried to make a Mavs deal work, whereby Raps get back assets worth trading GROAT for. Sixers are in cap hell for the foreseeable future with the Tobias Harris contract, and while he shot well against us a few days ago, I don't see it as our job to help the Sixers out of it. Not without a bunch of picks and pick swaps and/or a prospect or two (Thybuile?). The alternative trade would involve Danny plus other expirings for Lowry. But that would still require a lot of draft capital, because Masai would basically be handing a Finals berth to Philly. Part of me wants to see it happen, so that GROAT confirms his spot in the HOF, and KD, Kyrie and Giannis are again relegated to spectator status in the Finals.

Do you really think adding Lowry would enable Philly to beat the Nets? I don't.....but it probably gives them a better shot than anyone else.

I agree that the Nets don't really benefit from Kyle. I do think the Nuggets would....They could use an intangible guy to pair with Murray. Also agree that he'd be very useful to the Mavs.

In re of Dallas....how bout Johnson, finney-Smith, Terry, green?

Doesn't work in trade checker but it's damn close and I'm pretty sure they should be able to finesse it. I think Dallas would just have to buy out or waive one of their scrubs first. It's essentially the same as the proposed Philly trade: Expirings and prospects.

I've always liked Dinwiddie, and the Nets without him are a bit less formidable. Depth is a big issue when your superstars are both coming off big injuries. The fact that KD can still shoot lights out, and probably will until he's 40 doesn't mean he has the same mobility on defence. In Game 5 of the Finals (which I attended), Raps had already got KD to commit two fouls before his ankle gave way. He wouldn't have been a positive factor for GSW even if he had been able to continue in
the game/series. Nurse would have targeted him, and he'll be targeted by coaches in this season's playoffs.

I think any trade would have to have Kyle's blessing, simply out of respect, and the Sixers seem like the obvious choice for that. Kyle is a leader who can shoot the hell out of the three ball. Simmons can move up to his natural position of point forward. Yes, I think Kyle puts the Sixers in the Finals.

Dallas sent out a lot of picks in the Porzingas deal. Not sure they have the draft capital or prospects to make a deal worthwhile. The next FRP they can send us is in 2025. Pick swaps in 2022 and 2024 will probably not benefit the Raptors any.

I'm high on Dinwiddie too but don't think it hurts them so much having Levert play with more or less a similar skillset.

Yah the pick cupboard in Dallas is pretty dry which is why I figure any trade for Lowry would target Green and Terry.

[bballsparkin]

Lowry + siakam
for
wiggins, klay injury exemption space, wiseman, minny 2021 pick

Sign me up!

[bballsparkin]

My point is there is no benefit in this trade for us.

Many posters seem to be high on Thybulle. Personally, I know little about him. The first would be late 20s so not great value. Better than nothing though. Plus it's a trade Kyle would likely approve of. And it helps with the Raptors draft positioning. I would think the 76ers would want to keep Green if they get Lowry. Not sure if he's needed as salary though.

None of the Lowry trades are likely that great for returns.

[KL78192020]

My point is there is no benefit in this trade for us.

Many posters seem to be high on Thybulle. Personally, I know little about him. The first would be late 20s so not great value. Better than nothing though. Plus it's a trade Kyle would likely approve of. And it helps with the Raptors draft positioning. I would think the 76ers would want to keep Green if they get Lowry. Not sure if he's needed as salary though.

None of the Lowry trades are likely that great for returns.

Yea I mean does Masai want to sign him to another big deal next year? If not move on. They also have Tyrese Maxey another decent prospect.

Green would have to be included. He's having his worst year career wise, don't think they need him. He would have to included to match salaries, he makes the most money outside of Simmons/Harris/Embiid.

[MixxSRC]

Maybe Spurs?

[mdenny]

Maybe Spurs?

I don't think they're in rental mode.

[JD143726]

Trades that would make sense and that are realistic:

Utah:

Conley + early 20's 1st

Dallas:

James Johnson + Kleber + Josh Green + 1st

Philly:

Tobias Harris + 1st + 2nd

[Purple Fever]

Philadelphia gets:
Kyle Lowry
Jalen Harris
Future 2nd Round Pick

Toronto gets:
Danny Green
Mike Scott
Matisse Thybulle
Tyrese Maxey