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The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1821 » by nomorezorro » Sat Jan 2, 2021 8:35 pm

cjbulls wrote:Justise Winslow, Stanley Johnson, Al-Farouq Aminu, Moe Harkless, the Morris brothers, Tobias Harris, Derrick Williams, Harrison Barnes, MKG, Otto, trey Lyles, Oubre.


half these dudes couldn't shoot. other than trey lyles, the other half is at least ok. early returns looking good for pwill
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1822 » by Bulls69 » Sat Jan 2, 2021 9:11 pm

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sco wrote:If there is one thing I'd like PWill to do more of, it's drive to the hoop with the ball. The few times he's done it, I've been surprised how easily he gets all the way to the rim in the half-court. I think the problem is that when he gets the ball on the perimeter, he's been wide open (likely by design) for 3's, but he's been making them. I think he should be looking at old LBJ film to see how he utilized his combination size, strength, speed and handle.


It seems like it’s going to end up being his game in the long run. It needs to be. And I expect to see more of that perhaps in February/March. But we also have to keep in mind that he’s starting in order to take pressure off him (that always sounds weird) and so that he can baby-step things in the 5th option complimentary role.

Lot of mouths to feed in Chicago and he’s Oliver Twist. For now.


Patrick Williams looks really undeveloped right now. Alot of areas he can improve especially on offense. His shot (62% TS) looks great though and that was the biggest question which shows he can improve at the next level because he has made significant progress here since we last saw him as FSU. Now he just needs to improve his skillsets, continue to add strength and add a variety of offensive skills. It could take a couple seasons before we see where this guy can be in the NBA.

This is why you draft high ceiling prospects. Take the risk even if they turn out to be total busts. Better than drafting guys who have a hard time improving at all coming into the NBA like Wendell.


This is actually why I like this kid play only one year at FSU he has a great coach in Billy D Otto Porter said the kid is a sponge and very coachable.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1823 » by Darius Miles Davis » Sat Jan 2, 2021 9:12 pm

nomorezorro wrote:you were surprised that a 6'9" 19 year old looked small next to a 6'11" 26 year old who is famously one of the most remarkable physical freaks in a league full of physical freaks?


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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1824 » by nomorezorro » Sat Jan 2, 2021 9:16 pm

you said it in your post. you typed the words "I was a little surprised at how much smaller he looked than Giannis."
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Post#1825 » by Darius Miles Davis » Sat Jan 2, 2021 9:18 pm

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nomorezorro wrote:you said it in your post. you typed the words "I was a little surprised at how much smaller he looked than Giannis."


You are correct, I just reviewed my post. Sorry about that.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1826 » by Kukoc-Lauri » Sat Jan 2, 2021 10:24 pm

I supported Williams pick, even if i slighltly more preffered Deni or Okoro, but i was having hopes for Williams, yes to be that Kawhi type. Still early, he show something, but i dont know is this syndrom of these ig new generation, he is little passive and flat in games. I expected little more hearte,passion,fight,hustle in his game tbh.
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Post#1827 » by Flopper » Sun Jan 3, 2021 12:33 am

nomorezorro wrote:you were surprised that a 6'9" 19 year old looked small next to a 6'11" 26 year old who is famously one of the most remarkable physical freaks in a league full of physical freaks?

I'm old enough to remember when Mike Dunleavy could guard Giannis :lol:
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1828 » by DASMACKDOWN » Sun Jan 3, 2021 4:43 am

Watch when PWill comes back next year and we find he grew to 6-11.

Thats basically the story of Giannis.
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Post#1829 » by DroseReturnChi » Sun Jan 3, 2021 4:46 am

DASMACKDOWN wrote:Watch when PWill comes back next year and we find he grew to 6-11.

Thats basically the story of Giannis.


not quite. giannis had like the largest hand which is why i wanted him. you cant teach his genes.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1830 » by coldfish » Sun Jan 3, 2021 4:52 am

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DASMACKDOWN wrote:Watch when PWill comes back next year and we find he grew to 6-11.

Thats basically the story of Giannis.


not quite. giannis had like the largest hand which is why i wanted him. you cant teach his genes.


Have you seen PWill's hands? Dude could throw a split fingered fastball with a basketball.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1831 » by RedBulls23 » Sun Jan 3, 2021 5:09 am

GimmeDat wrote:I really like that he's come in playing an efficient, low volume role. Reminds me of Jimmy when he was here early on. I prefer him to be judicious with his shot selection and slowly ramp it up. I don't feel like there's an underlying aggressiveness issue, I think he's just picking his spots, and in time he'll grow into a larger offensive role.

And There's just not room for him to be overly aggressive right now either.

The highest he can be is 5th on the pecking order. I think for now with the way he's picking his spots and playing within the flow of the offense is fine.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1832 » by RedBulls23 » Sun Jan 3, 2021 7:16 am

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DASMACKDOWN wrote:Watch when PWill comes back next year and we find he grew to 6-11.

Thats basically the story of Giannis.


not quite. giannis had like the largest hand which is why i wanted him. you cant teach his genes.


Have you seen PWill's hands? Dude could throw a split fingered fastball with a basketball.

He definitely can palm the basketball with ease. When he goes up with his floater it kind of looks like he's shooting one of those nerf balls.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1833 » by cjbulls » Sun Jan 3, 2021 12:47 pm

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cjbulls wrote:Justise Winslow, Stanley Johnson, Al-Farouq Aminu, Moe Harkless, the Morris brothers, Tobias Harris, Derrick Williams, Harrison Barnes, MKG, Otto, trey Lyles, Oubre.


half these dudes couldn't shoot. other than trey lyles, the other half is at least ok. early returns looking good for pwill


Yes, the shooting seems like a positive, even ahead of his draft status with room to grow. But PW seems lacking in other areas against those players like rebounding and playmaking.

At this point, the only thing we can surely say is that he isnt a complete bust and belongs as an NBA rotation player at the minimum. But I don’t see the big ceiling everyone else wants to read and afraid I’m being the more realistic of the two views.
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Post#1834 » by ZOMG » Sun Jan 3, 2021 1:08 pm

cjbulls wrote:
nomorezorro wrote:
cjbulls wrote:Justise Winslow, Stanley Johnson, Al-Farouq Aminu, Moe Harkless, the Morris brothers, Tobias Harris, Derrick Williams, Harrison Barnes, MKG, Otto, trey Lyles, Oubre.


half these dudes couldn't shoot. other than trey lyles, the other half is at least ok. early returns looking good for pwill


Yes, the shooting seems like a positive, even ahead of his draft status with room to grow. But PW seems lacking in other areas against those players like rebounding and playmaking.

At this point, the only thing we can surely say is that he isnt a complete bust and belongs as an NBA rotation player at the minimum. But I don’t see the big ceiling everyone else wants to read and afraid I’m being the more realistic of the two views.


But but but he can palm a basketball with ease. DOESN'T THAT COUNT FOR ANYTHING?? :wink:
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Post#1835 » by CaPiTanAK » Sun Jan 3, 2021 1:11 pm

It hasn’t even been 10 games yet. But I expect Donovan to coach him into being an aggressive rebounder. No reason for a dude his size strength and athleticism not to have min 4-5 boards.
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Post#1836 » by DuckIII » Sun Jan 3, 2021 2:27 pm

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half these dudes couldn't shoot. other than trey lyles, the other half is at least ok. early returns looking good for pwill


Yes, the shooting seems like a positive, even ahead of his draft status with room to grow. But PW seems lacking in other areas against those players like rebounding and playmaking.

At this point, the only thing we can surely say is that he isnt a complete bust and belongs as an NBA rotation player at the minimum. But I don’t see the big ceiling everyone else wants to read and afraid I’m being the more realistic of the two views.


But but but he can palm a basketball with ease. DOESN'T THAT COUNT FOR ANYTHING?? :wink:


All favorable physical attributes count for something. No need to belittle posters for noting it.
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Post#1837 » by ZOMG » Sun Jan 3, 2021 2:38 pm

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Yes, the shooting seems like a positive, even ahead of his draft status with room to grow. But PW seems lacking in other areas against those players like rebounding and playmaking.

At this point, the only thing we can surely say is that he isnt a complete bust and belongs as an NBA rotation player at the minimum. But I don’t see the big ceiling everyone else wants to read and afraid I’m being the more realistic of the two views.


But but but he can palm a basketball with ease. DOESN'T THAT COUNT FOR ANYTHING?? :wink:


All favorable physical attributes count for something. No need to belittle posters for noting it.


True. Wasn't directed at anyone in particular and certainly no disrespect intended. Just struck me as funny somehow.
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Post#1838 » by DuckIII » Sun Jan 3, 2021 2:55 pm

ZOMG wrote:
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But but but he can palm a basketball with ease. DOESN'T THAT COUNT FOR ANYTHING?? :wink:


All favorable physical attributes count for something. No need to belittle posters for noting it.


True. Wasn't directed at anyone in particular and certainly no disrespect intended. Just struck me as funny somehow.


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Post#1839 » by Bulls69 » Sun Jan 3, 2021 3:34 pm

CaPiTanAK wrote:It hasn’t even been 10 games yet. But I expect Donovan to coach him into being an aggressive rebounder. No reason for a dude his size strength and athleticism not to have min 4-5 boards.

Agreed this kid next season I think he will make a major leap with offseason workout plus summer league.
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Post#1840 » by Bulls69 » Sun Jan 3, 2021 3:39 pm

cjbulls wrote:
nomorezorro wrote:
cjbulls wrote:Justise Winslow, Stanley Johnson, Al-Farouq Aminu, Moe Harkless, the Morris brothers, Tobias Harris, Derrick Williams, Harrison Barnes, MKG, Otto, trey Lyles, Oubre.


half these dudes couldn't shoot. other than trey lyles, the other half is at least ok. early returns looking good for pwill


Yes, the shooting seems like a positive, even ahead of his draft status with room to grow. But PW seems lacking in other areas against those players like rebounding and playmaking.

At this point, the only thing we can surely say is that he isnt a complete bust and belongs as an NBA rotation player at the minimum. But I don’t see the big ceiling everyone else wants to read and afraid I’m being the more realistic of the two views.


Please take in mind this kid only played in 5 games with no real offseason nor summer league he is where I expect PWill to be.
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