Warriors select PG Nico Mannion with the 48th pick

sonnyhill · Post #81 » by **sonnyhill** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:23 pm

GQ Hot Dog wrote:All the muscle Nico has put on since Arizona is obvious and paying dividends, particularly on defense. Unfortunately, it appears to have ruined his shot. Hopefully it's something he can adjust to quickly enough.

Great observation.

Sadly, the shot looks lost.

xdrta+ · Post #82 » by **xdrta+** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:49 pm

Hopefully the Warriors join the G league bubble and he can get some experience. If the G league doesn't get off the ground this season, that's just bad luck for him.

KevinMcreynolds · Post #83 » by **KevinMcreynolds** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:58 pm

he's taken 10 shots! how is it lost? :lol:

Little Digger · Post #84 » by **Little Digger** » Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:00 am

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Little Digger · Post #86 » by **Little Digger** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:13 pm

"But I know Nico, in particular, could really use a stretch of just playing 30-plus minutes every single night (G league). He just hasn’t had a chance to play much.

"Nico’s doing a ton of work pre- and post-practice with our development staff. He's doing a fantastic job," Kerr said. "He's really, really a hard worker and a tough competitor.

"I can't wait to get him into some games [with Golden State]. He's gonna be a really fine player."

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wco81 · Post #87 » by **wco81** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:23 am

Glad that he's getting run now but didn't have high expectations for a player drafted in the lower half of the second round.

Wasn't he pretty highly-touted coming into college?

I don't watch too much college basketball but I heard of Nico whereas I didn't hear much about Payton Pritchard, another Pac 10 guy who was drafted in the late first round and has probably exceeded expectations.

Pritchard has hit his shots but also is physical and athletic for a guy his size. About the same height as Nico but heavier yet still has some hops to be a threat in the paint.

Nico has to hit the training room in the offseason, as well as put up thousand shots a day in the gym.

Post #88 » by **Hopper15** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:32 pm

With the purging of Brad and Chriss, there are now two open roster spots, one of which has to be filled in some capacity within the next week or so.

Have we seen enough to lock up Nico for three years to secure bird rights (like the Paschal contract)? Doing so now vs. in the off-season keeps next season's tax MLE fully intact. Tax consequence this season is negligible since that roster spot needs filling regardless.

Roster spots are at a premium next season with possibly two 1sts and Jessup coming in. I guess we will see what they think of Mannion.

xdrta+ · Post #89 » by **xdrta+** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:36 pm

Hopper15 wrote:With the purging of Brad and Chriss, there are now two open roster spots, one of which has to be filled in some capacity within the next week or so.

Have we seen enough to lock up Nico for three years to secure bird rights (like the Paschal contract)? Doing so now vs. in the off-season keeps next season's tax MLE fully intact. Tax consequence this season is negligible since that roster spot needs filling regardless.

Roster spots are at a premium next season with possibly two 1sts and Jessup coming in. I guess we will see what they think of Mannion.

Will he get the spot over JTA?

and1GS · Post #90 » by **and1GS** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:41 pm

It's really hard to say. I think Nico has shown fantastic glimpses of what he could be. Obviously it will take time for him to get consistent with 'higher risk' passes, playmaking and shooting, but you at least see a lot of effort on defense and a real innate ability to control the game as a PG should. Doesn't terminate his dribble and tries to run the offense rather than masquerading as a SG at the 1.

That said, I don't think he's at a point yet where you could reasonably say he's a definite #2 PG on a playoff team - who's better than random 1 year options in FA. I don't see a clear minimum salary improvement over him, but I'd prefer we swap him in while making a cut in the offseason - like declining Mulder's QO.

xdrta+ · Post #91 » by **xdrta+** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:59 pm

and1GS wrote:It's really hard to say. I think Nico has shown fantastic glimpses of what he could be. Obviously it will take time for him to get consistent with 'higher risk' passes, playmaking and shooting, but you at least see a lot of effort on defense and a real innate ability to control the game as a PG should. Doesn't terminate his dribble and tries to run the offense rather than masquerading as a SG at the 1.

That said, I don't think he's at a point yet where you could reasonably say he's a definite #2 PG on a playoff team - who's better than random 1 year options in FA. I don't see a clear minimum salary improvement over him, but I'd prefer we swap him in while making a cut in the offseason - like declining Mulder's QO.

Mulder has a non-guaranteed min contract next season which doesn't become guaranteed until January. Smiley and Lee are both non-guaranteed also, though both have partial guarantees in July. I could see any or all of the 3 being let go in the summer. As for Nico, he's a RFA with a 2-way (50k guaranteed) as a QO. They could bring him back as a 2-way again. Unless, of course, he gets an offer sheet which I don't see happening.

I would give the spot to JTA, then make decisions on the three non-guarantees this summer. I can't see Mulder coming back at the least and maybe not the other two, depending on who they can pick up.

Edit: Smiley becomes fully guaranteed 7/6/21 for $1.7M.

and1GS · Post #92 » by **and1GS** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:41 pm

Smailagic (he hasn't earned a nickname) should be let go then re-signed in the G-League. Nobody is going to sign him to an NBA deal.

Damion Lee I feel we should keep. I don't think he's a great player, but he knows the system, is a well-liked teammate, is OK with making very little and does a few things that are helpful as a on/off back end of rotation player.

Post #93 » by **Hopper15** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:48 pm

and1GS wrote:Smailagic (he hasn't earned a nickname) should be let go then re-signed in the G-League. Nobody is going to sign him to an NBA deal.

I think he will be offered a two-way after being cut prior to his guarantee kicking in.

wco81 · Post #94 » by **wco81** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:17 pm

Why a 3-year deal?

Always a chance they could draft a PG in the next couple of drafts so don't want to be locked in with him.

kingcong95 · Post #95 » by **kingcong95** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:23 pm

wco81 wrote:Why a 3-year deal?

Always a chance they could draft a PG in the next couple of drafts so don't want to be locked in with him.

The deal doesn't have to be fully guaranteed (see Lee, Mulder, Juan)

Post #96 » by **Hopper15** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:30 pm

kingcong95 wrote:
wco81 wrote:Why a 3-year deal?

Always a chance they could draft a PG in the next couple of drafts so don't want to be locked in with him.

The deal doesn't have to be fully guaranteed (see Lee, Mulder, Juan)

Three year deal (two after this one) gives full bird rights (just in case needed) and locks in a low rate. A non-guarantee for years 2 and 3 would be ideal if mutually agreeable

lars_rosenberg · Post #97 » by **lars_rosenberg** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:36 pm

Nico is good, solid backup at worst, most likely quality starter.
He has some physical limitations that probably won't allow him to become an all star, but I'm very optimistic on his potential.

xdrta+ · Post #98 » by **xdrta+** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:38 pm

Hopper15 wrote:
kingcong95 wrote:
wco81 wrote:Why a 3-year deal?

Always a chance they could draft a PG in the next couple of drafts so don't want to be locked in with him.

The deal doesn't have to be fully guaranteed (see Lee, Mulder, Juan)

Three year deal (two after this one) gives full bird rights (just in case needed) and locks in a low rate. A non-guarantee for years 2 and 3 would be ideal if mutually agreeable

It depends if they want to spend a roster spot on him. Bird rights accrue on 2-way deals as well, so another 2-way would put him 2/3 of the way to full Bird.

kingcong95 · Post #99 » by **kingcong95** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:41 pm

xdrta+ wrote:
Hopper15 wrote:
kingcong95 wrote:
The deal doesn't have to be fully guaranteed (see Lee, Mulder, Juan)

Three year deal (two after this one) gives full bird rights (just in case needed) and locks in a low rate. A non-guarantee for years 2 and 3 would be ideal if mutually agreeable

It depends if they want to spend a roster spot on him. Bird rights accrue on 2-way deals as well, so another 2-way would put him 2/3 of the way to full Bird.

I currently envision Jessup and Smiley getting the two ways. Smiley only because the owner's kids aren't ready to rip off the band aid yet. A partial guarantee for Nico next year, no problem. Three years would be ideal - bird rights and RFA if it makes it to the end.

wco81 · Post #100 » by **wco81** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:50 pm

He's shot well from 3 but his overall FG percentage is 34.1%.

Not going to last in the league with that. Questions about his size will remain if he can't prove that he can't finish in the restricted area.

Otherwise, he becomes another undersized 3 point specialist who's a liability on the other end of the court.

Small guys like McConnell and even the rookie Pritchard have found ways to get into the paint and finish at a good clip with quickness and shiftiness.

If he doesn't show these aspects to his game, then the only reason the team would be keeping him on the roster would be cost, not because they see a big upside in his game.