S&T With New Orleans: The Devonte Graham Thread

[James Gatz]

Weirdly his assist to turnover ratio is the best of all point guards this year. So it’s not all terrible???

9 AST 0 TOs last night

[DY_nasty]

clearly those numbers don't mean as much when the offense is cheeks whenever he's running it

i'm pretty sure we lead the league in assisted field goals as a team anyways

[Liver_Pooty]

No stats to back this up, but we have to statistically have one of the worst starting 5s in the league. A shake up is desperately needed.

[James Gatz]

No stats to back this up, but we have to statistically have one of the worst starting 5s in the league. A shake up is desperately needed.

Yep. Of 5 man lineups that have played at least 30 min together we are the worst with a -26.7 net rating.

https://go.nba.com/3ogn

[Liver_Pooty]

No stats to back this up, but we have to statistically have one of the worst starting 5s in the league. A shake up is desperately needed.

Yep. Of 5 man lineups that have played at least 30 min together we are the worst with a -26.7 net rating.

https://go.nba.com/3ogn

Lol good God.

[chellis]

No stats to back this up, but we have to statistically have one of the worst starting 5s in the league. A shake up is desperately needed.

Yep. Of 5 man lineups that have played at least 30 min together we are the worst with a -26.7 net rating.

https://go.nba.com/3ogn

Lol good God.

Because our team is on par of that of an expansion team. I know we have some pieces to be excited about, we are just going to have a lot of growing pains to get where we want to go.

[euphorbus]

Yep. Of 5 man lineups that have played at least 30 min together we are the worst with a -26.7 net rating.

https://go.nba.com/3ogn

Also the worst TS%. Pretty damning.

[Hornet Mania]

Based on merit from the last few games the starting lineup should be:

G Rozier
G Ball
F Hayward
F Miles
C Biz

I love Graham but the starting unit needs a change and maybe coming off the bench with a scoring mindset will help him break out of this funk. PJ is just out of shape and out of practice, so he can figure it out in reduced minutes too.

[JMAC3]

Based on merit from the last few games the starting lineup should be:

G Rozier
G Ball
F Hayward
F Miles
C Biz

I love Graham but the starting unit needs a change and maybe coming off the bench with a scoring mindset will help him break out of this funk. PJ is just out of shape and out of practice, so he can figure it out in reduced minutes too.

My worry here is if you take the two struggling guys from the starters and put them on the bench for the two best bench guys how does that not make our bench terrible. You do not have to start your 5 best players, I agree the lineup needs a change though.

[Hornet Mania]

Based on merit from the last few games the starting lineup should be:

G Rozier
G Ball
F Hayward
F Miles
C Biz

I love Graham but the starting unit needs a change and maybe coming off the bench with a scoring mindset will help him break out of this funk. PJ is just out of shape and out of practice, so he can figure it out in reduced minutes too.

My worry here is if you take the two struggling guys from the starters and put them on the bench for the two best bench guys how does that not make our bench terrible. You do not have to start your 5 best players, I agree the lineup needs a change though.

Yeah, it might not seem ideal but we just can't keep trotting out a starting lineup that immediately puts us in a 10-15pt hole. Hopefully PJ and Graham will both get it together eventually.

[yosemiteben]

Graham has been horrible shooting but I'm not sure I view it as a long term problem that is anywhere close to our big man problem. Feels like a bit of an overreaction to do anything too drastic at this point. I'm ok with starting Ball just because I think his play justifies it, but I don't think this is the real Graham.

With that said, I don't think Graham or Rozier are long term above average PGs and I'd ship out both for anyone who projects to be an above average starting C.

ETA: Sorry, should have said I'd trade either, not both.

[Diop]

I'm pretty happy with how Coach is handling it at the moment. Ball is coming along nicely, the minutes and production keep increasing. He's definitely projecting to start, but there is no rush. Trust the process, let it happen.

They have to turn around Graham's confidence somehow, its in the best interest of the team.

[Diop]

With that said, I don't think Graham or Rozier are long term above average PGs and I'd ship out both for anyone who projects to be an above average starting C.

ETA: Sorry, should have said I'd trade either, not both.

This was me as well, the only doubt I had is if they are confident they have a centre lined up for next year. Like Allen or Drummond. (Im not a huge Drummond fan, but they've chased him before)

[yasuhara2241]

I loved what Graham did last year for us. It was amazing to see his growth. So far this year he is playing with little confidence and swagger. Yes, he does have a good assist to TO ratio but he has the ball in his hands too much considering the results. The offense looks stagnant with him running the team. It just looks better with Melo in the game.

I understand that this is a small sample size but this is a shortened season. Before we know it, we will be out of the hunt. I am a KU fan and a fan of Devonte but if we keep holding out hope then we will be in trouble.

Starters: Melo, Rozier, Hayward, Miles, Biz
Reserves: Graham, Monk, PJ, Jalen and maybe Caleb at times. Monk needs Caleb's minutes because he can create and give Graham some open looks.

[euphorbus]

I loved what Graham did last year for us. It was amazing to see his growth. So far this year he is playing with little confidence and swagger. Yes, he does have a good assist to TO ratio but he has the ball in his hands too much considering the results. The offense looks stagnant with him running the team. It just looks better with Melo in the game.

I understand that this is a small sample size but this is a shortened season. Before we know it, we will be out of the hunt. I am a KU fan and a fan of Devonte but if we keep holding out hope then we will be in trouble.

Starters: Melo, Rozier, Hayward, Miles, Biz
Reserves: Graham, Monk, PJ, Jalen and maybe Caleb at times. Monk needs Caleb's minutes because he can create and give Graham some open looks.

I totally agree. This team cannot wait until the usual March thaw, when all of a sudden the waters break and they start winning.

[DY_nasty]

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this is ridiculous

[KembaWalker]

If super committing to a 3rd year 2nd round pick that can't hit the broad side of a barn is the hill you wanna die on as a coach that's on you, but don't complain when that seat starts getting too hot.

[Liver_Pooty]

I get the loyalty from JB, and im sure Graham probably worked hard this offseason and all that good stuff. But at some point when he's shooting horribly you have to limit or cut his minutes until he turns it around

[DY_nasty]

I get the loyalty from JB, and im sure Graham probably worked hard this offseason and all that good stuff. But at some point when he's shooting horribly you have to limit or cut his minutes until he turns it around

its not just the shot. he doesn't do anything well outside of protecting his ast/to ratio

[Chapelchilla]

He should come off the bench. He is fine as a second team leader. The shot will come around BUT he won't be growing 3 inches anytime.