2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1

Reign23 · Post #1501 » by **Reign23** » Sun Jan 3, 2021 5:13 pm

those Cade/Jalen statlines. ufff...

cgf · Post #1502 » by **cgf** » Sun Jan 3, 2021 5:16 pm

Rough night for a lot of the freshmen...there's a reason I rarely expect rookies to step in contribute consistently :laugh:

Still, the more I see of Ziaire & Keon's tools the more I pray that they sign with CAA...

Post #1503 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Jan 4, 2021 1:16 pm

that angle in slow motion...

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NoDopeOnSundays · Post #1504 » by **NoDopeOnSundays** » Mon Jan 4, 2021 7:01 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:that angle in slow motion...

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stuporman · Post #1505 » by **stuporman** » Mon Jan 4, 2021 8:06 pm

That Ayo kid from Illinois looks pretty nice for a 6-5 PG and might be there later in the 1st round to snag with whichever of the two the Knicks have is the lesser.

He's probably being overlooked because he's a Junior but that kid has all the skills you want, handle, shooting, passing, defense, BBIQ, vision, crafty and very long.

Maybe he lasts to the early 2nd round and the Knicks can snag him there but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a strong tourney and is a riser.

robillionaire · Post #1506 » by **robillionaire** » Tue Jan 5, 2021 4:48 pm

the more quickley plays well the more it makes me want to draft a wing instead of a PG, should be a nice one available wherever our picks land, or we could always try to package up

cgf · Post #1507 » by **cgf** » Tue Jan 5, 2021 5:48 pm

stuporman wrote:That Ayo kid from Illinois looks pretty nice for a 6-5 PG and might be there later in the 1st round to snag with whichever of the two the Knicks have is the lesser.

He's probably being overlooked because he's a Junior but that kid has all the skills you want, handle, shooting, passing, defense, BBIQ, vision, crafty and very long.

Maybe he lasts to the early 2nd round and the Knicks can snag him there but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a strong tourney and is a riser.

Ayo's one I'm not sure what to make of yet. Just can't tell if he'll be able to cut it as an on ball guy in the NBA or if his shooting has come far enough for him to thrive off-ball if he proves not to be quick/crafty enough to be a lead guard.

If he answers both of those concerns he'll be a very interesting prospect. if not he starts to look like a longer Elfrid Payton...I'm exaggerating, of course, but I am worried that he could have similar problems at the next level...

cgf · Post #1508 » by **cgf** » Tue Jan 5, 2021 5:52 pm

robillionaire wrote:the more quickley plays well the more it makes me want to draft a wing instead of a PG, should be a nice one available wherever our picks land, or we could always try to package up

I want both. A smart bigger wing who can shoot & pass...and a high-upside guard project with huge defensive potential & a developing shot, who we can develop behind Quickley to eventually surpass him or play next to him.

No, I'm not just describing what I see in Ziaire & Keon. Shut up!

TheGreenArrow · Post #1509 » by **TheGreenArrow** » Tue Jan 5, 2021 5:55 pm

robillionaire wrote:the more quickley plays well the more it makes me want to draft a wing instead of a PG, should be a nice one available wherever our picks land, or we could always try to package up

Bj Boston my man bj Boston!!!!!!

robillionaire · Post #1510 » by **robillionaire** » Tue Jan 5, 2021 5:55 pm

I'm kinda thinking we should target kispert, it's clear the major weakness we have is still shooting, especially bigs. I think he's proven his ability in his department and a large sample size to back it up

robillionaire · Post #1511 » by **robillionaire** » Tue Jan 5, 2021 5:57 pm

nesmith shooting 22% from 3, barely even cracks the rotation because of pritchard. discuss

cgf · Post #1512 » by **cgf** » Tue Jan 5, 2021 6:00 pm

robillionaire wrote:I'm kinda thinking we should target kispert, it's clear the major weakness we have is still shooting, especially bigs. I think he's proven his ability in his department and a large sample size to back it up

I'm skeptical of Kispert. That Gonzaga team has better spacing & ball movement than many NBA teams, so I have concerns about how all of those guys will look in a less beneficial environment.

robillionaire · Post #1513 » by **robillionaire** » Tue Jan 5, 2021 6:02 pm

cgf wrote:
robillionaire wrote:I'm kinda thinking we should target kispert, it's clear the major weakness we have is still shooting, especially bigs. I think he's proven his ability in his department and a large sample size to back it up

I'm skeptical of Kispert. That Gonzaga team has better spacing & ball movement than many NBA teams, so I have concerns about how all of those guys will look in a less beneficial environment.

well yeah, but he's one of the main reasons why they have such good spacing and ball movement. it would be cool if we had that here

cgf · Post #1514 » by **cgf** » Tue Jan 5, 2021 6:12 pm

robillionaire wrote:
cgf wrote:
robillionaire wrote:I'm kinda thinking we should target kispert, it's clear the major weakness we have is still shooting, especially bigs. I think he's proven his ability in his department and a large sample size to back it up

I'm skeptical of Kispert. That Gonzaga team has better spacing & ball movement than many NBA teams, so I have concerns about how all of those guys will look in a less beneficial environment.

well yeah, but he's one of the main reasons why they have such good spacing and ball movement. it would be cool if we had that here

They're all one of the main reasons for that though :lol:

It's why I'm not as high on Suggs yet as some folks, though with him I'm less worried about him disappointing in the longrun...as I love his tools & attitude...and moreso skeptical about how "ready" he'll be in a less ideal setting.

Fat · Post #1515 » by **Fat** » Tue Jan 5, 2021 6:21 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:
robillionaire wrote:the more quickley plays well the more it makes me want to draft a wing instead of a PG, should be a nice one available wherever our picks land, or we could always try to package up

Bj Boston my man bj Boston!!!!!!

Boston went from Brandon Ingram lite to kelly oubre

robillionaire · Post #1516 » by **robillionaire** » Tue Jan 5, 2021 6:38 pm

cgf wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
cgf wrote:
I'm skeptical of Kispert. That Gonzaga team has better spacing & ball movement than many NBA teams, so I have concerns about how all of those guys will look in a less beneficial environment.

well yeah, but he's one of the main reasons why they have such good spacing and ball movement. it would be cool if we had that here

They're all one of the main reasons for that though

It's why I'm not as high on Suggs yet as some folks, though with him I'm less worried about him disappointing in the longrun...as I love his tools & attitude...and moreso skeptical about how "ready" he'll be in a less ideal setting.

I can see that skepticism with Suggs as playing on that team is all we've ever known of him at the college level and it certainly helps him look better by spacing the floor out for his drives and giving him many open looks

Kispert has been playing college ball for 4 years, the prior teams haven't been this dominant yet his career percentages are still through the roof at 40.7% from 3 on a large sample size of 516 attempts and now also backed up by him shooting 88% from the line which is usually a good indicator he's just a pure shooter and not a fluke on a limited sample size. Now this year he is shooting an insane 50.8% from 3 on 6.1 attempts a game.

Now some of that for sure is helped by the ball movement and spacing, but if you look at the distance on some of his highlights it's clear he is a deadeye shooter with unlimited range. A couple of these were nearly from the logo at center court. The rest of what he does might not be as effective at the higher level but I'm definitely buying the shot. Don't think he will be a superstar in the league but could definitely contribute to a winning team and provide help to a team desperate for shooters

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robillionaire · Post #1517 » by **robillionaire** » Tue Jan 5, 2021 6:39 pm

Angryfatboy wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:
robillionaire wrote:the more quickley plays well the more it makes me want to draft a wing instead of a PG, should be a nice one available wherever our picks land, or we could always try to package up

Bj Boston my man bj Boston!!!!!!

Boston went from Brandon Ingram lite to kelly oubre

people forget Ingram was pretty unimpressive for a couple years

TheGreenArrow · Post #1518 » by **TheGreenArrow** » Tue Jan 5, 2021 6:47 pm

Angryfatboy wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:
robillionaire wrote:the more quickley plays well the more it makes me want to draft a wing instead of a PG, should be a nice one available wherever our picks land, or we could always try to package up

Bj Boston my man bj Boston!!!!!!

Boston went from Brandon Ingram lite to kelly oubre

Just gotta hope Kenny Payne and johnnie Bryant can work their magic!!!!

2010 · Post #1519 » by **2010** » Tue Jan 5, 2021 6:49 pm

robillionaire wrote:I'm kinda thinking we should target kispert, it's clear the major weakness we have is still shooting, especially bigs. I think he's proven his ability in his department and a large sample size to back it up

If we drafted Suggs/Kispert we'd turn into a contender over night. They address all of our current needs.

Post #1520 » by **mpharris36** » Tue Jan 5, 2021 6:50 pm

robillionaire wrote:
cgf wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
well yeah, but he's one of the main reasons why they have such good spacing and ball movement. it would be cool if we had that here

They're all one of the main reasons for that though

It's why I'm not as high on Suggs yet as some folks, though with him I'm less worried about him disappointing in the longrun...as I love his tools & attitude...and moreso skeptical about how "ready" he'll be in a less ideal setting.

I can see that skepticism with Suggs as playing on that team is all we've ever known of him at the college level and it certainly helps him look better by spacing the floor out for his drives and giving him many open looks

Kispert has been playing college ball for 4 years, the prior teams haven't been this dominant yet his career percentages are still through the roof at 40.7% from 3 on a large sample size of 516 attempts and now also backed up by him shooting 88% from the line which is usually a good indicator he's just a pure shooter and not a fluke on a limited sample size. Now this year he is shooting an insane 50.8% from 3 on 6.1 attempts a game.

Now some of that for sure is helped by the ball movement and spacing, but if you look at the distance on some of his highlights it's clear he is a deadeye shooter with unlimited range. A couple of these were nearly from the logo at center court. The rest of what he does might not be as effective at the higher level but I'm definitely buying the shot. Don't think he will be a superstar in the league but could definitely contribute to a winning team and provide help to a team desperate for shooters

Watch on YouTube

I think only 2 of those 9 3's hit rim