3rd year players - where they are - small sample size in 3rd season

[Buzzard]

I don't believe this tells you anything how starting 5 should look.

I am sure it does not tell you anything since you said so. It shows me Huerter is having a decent season. This is night and day compared to last season. He was not a neutral value defender or offensively efficient player last season. This season he is.

I didn't watch a single Hawks game, but it looks to me that Hawks had relatively light schedule and more importantly, it's not the same if you play against starters or bench. You basically need to find the best fit with Trae. I would say, whoever plays better D. should start.

I have watched every Hawks game so I will take your non eye test opinion with a healthy grain of salt. It is refreshing to see a non Hawks fan admit the truth. I applaud you for that.

Huerter is playing better than Bogdan and Reddish right now. Reddish has been starting but I think that may change soon.

[bwgood77]

Huerter has started finishing in the paint. From what I have seen it has to to with his midrange shot just inside the foul line. His 2PT% has improved to .485 and his 3P% is a stellar .412. His minutes are also down by over 5 a game but it is not impacting his improved efficiency.

DeAndre Hunter. I saved the best for last. Hunter's minutes have not gone down but his efficiency has skyrocketed. His current TS% is .660. His counting stats are 15.9/6.7/2.0. Per 36 minutes he would be averaging 17.7/7.5/2.2. He is only a 2nd year player but I had to give him a mention.

Huerter is the only 3rd year player out of those isn't he? I thought you had Reddish in here earlier.

[scrabbarista]

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Good afternoon, class. Here is my presentation, titled, "Why I'm a Trae Young Doubter, In a Nutshell."

EDIT: To be fair, I think his TPA is the best in the class, based on this very graphic. Still, I stand by the reasoning that his defense is so bad that he has to play like a supernova on offense to really provide positive max-player value, and playing at that level on offense is going to be very hard to do consistently at his size.

[scrabbarista]

Trae and Bagley on that 2nd graph.

Bagley being the worst offensive and the worst defensive player in his class is epic, small sample size or not.

I mean, I'm rooting for him big time, I really am. That's pretty epic, though. Like, how is that even possible.

[Buzzard]

Huerter has started finishing in the paint. From what I have seen it has to to with his midrange shot just inside the foul line. His 2PT% has improved to .485 and his 3P% is a stellar .412. His minutes are also down by over 5 a game but it is not impacting his improved efficiency.

DeAndre Hunter. I saved the best for last. Hunter's minutes have not gone down but his efficiency has skyrocketed. His current TS% is .660. His counting stats are 15.9/6.7/2.0. Per 36 minutes he would be averaging 17.7/7.5/2.2. He is only a 2nd year player but I had to give him a mention.

Huerter is the only 3rd year player out of those isn't he? I thought you had Reddish in here earlier.

I had Collins in and took him out. He is a 4th year player. Reddish is just his 2nd like Hunter. Trae is 3rd year but everyone knows what he is doing.

[greg4012]

Minuscule sample size

[Apz]

Hmm, cant say I know hoe its calculated, but what puts trae so far ahead on offense vs say luka? Per 36 itd 31/10/4.5 for trae vs lukas 29/8/10, but in pic it looks like trae got like twice the amount. Unless it goes by actual stats, that would change it a little since luka took the rest for 1.5 qts in the clippers blowout

[jwise44]

Found this interesting and I admit I do have Suns bias, but nice to see after 10 years of putrid play

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What exactly does this TPA says? Graph looks funny. Nice pictures though.

total points added
The concept of total points added (TPA). We're looking at both defensive and offensive effectiveness on a per-possession basis while also incorporating the amount of playing time the contributor in question receives.
https://nbamath.com/tpa-model/

This next one might display it easier.

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Jesus, look at bagley...who would trade for him? Especially with his dad being a pain

[Buzzard]

Hmm, cant say I know hoe its calculated, but what puts trae so far ahead on offense vs say luka? Per 36 itd 31/10/4.5 for trae vs lukas 29/8/10, but in pic it looks like trae got like twice the amount. Unless it goes by actual stats, that would change it a little since luka took the rest for 1.5 qts in the clippers blowout

I was wondering when the Luka worry would show up. Its only natural.

Minutes per game, Trae is playing 33.1 and Luka is playing 32.3. It may also take into account TS%, WS, per 100 ratings, etc...Trae leads from a offensive standpoint in all those categories vs Luka.

[shakes0]

With a very small sample size it looks like Huerter should be starting. Bogi and Reddish coming off the bench. I do look for a change soon at the starting shooting guard spot.

I don't agree with that. As long as we have Trae and Collins starting we are going to need defensive first guys at the other 3 spots.

[Buzzard]

With a very small sample size it looks like Huerter should be starting. Bogi and Reddish coming off the bench. I do look for a change soon at the starting shooting guard spot.

I don't agree with that. As long as we have Trae and Collins starting we are going to need defensive first guys at the other 3 spots.

I am not sure the Hawks defense has gotten better. Or its the last few games have been against low scoring teams. I look at the Suns of decades ago and the Mavs of just last year. They may have to throw their best offensive players out there and just outscore everyone.

[matt6715]

Mikal Bridges is so good

[matt6715]

Hmm, cant say I know hoe its calculated, but what puts trae so far ahead on offense vs say luka? Per 36 itd 31/10/4.5 for trae vs lukas 29/8/10, but in pic it looks like trae got like twice the amount. Unless it goes by actual stats, that would change it a little since luka took the rest for 1.5 qts in the clippers blowout

It goes by total stats in this particular graph i believe, and also assists are important.

[shakes0]

With a very small sample size it looks like Huerter should be starting. Bogi and Reddish coming off the bench. I do look for a change soon at the starting shooting guard spot.

I don't agree with that. As long as we have Trae and Collins starting we are going to need defensive first guys at the other 3 spots.

I am not sure the Hawks defense has gotten better. Or its the last few games have been against low scoring teams. I look at the Suns of decades ago and the Mavs of just last year. They may have to throw their best offensive players out there and just outscore everyone.

yea you might be right. I hope it's not that desperate where we just give up on the idea of trying to improve the team defense in favor of all offense all the time, but it might come to that if the defense doesn't improve.

I think the real problem is the injuries and how it has affected the bench. That game vs the knicks, we lost that because our bench couldn't score or hold a lead.

[Buzzard]

I don't agree with that. As long as we have Trae and Collins starting we are going to need defensive first guys at the other 3 spots.

I am not sure the Hawks defense has gotten better. Or its the last few games have been against low scoring teams. I look at the Suns of decades ago and the Mavs of just last year. They may have to throw their best offensive players out there and just outscore everyone.

yea you might be right. I hope it's not that desperate where we just give up on the idea of trying to improve the team defense in favor of all offense all the time, but it might come to that if the defense doesn't improve.

I think the real problem is the injuries and how it has affected the bench. That game vs the knicks, we lost that because our bench couldn't score or hold a lead.

I have no doubt who ever they start, defensive players can be rotated in to stop runs. But they need Rondo, Dunn, and possibly Okongwu healthy to do that. Gallinari may not be a great defender. But he is a solid vet who knows team defensive schemes. He was a vocal leader in both the games I saw him play. The 3rd was when he was injured early.

[Bob8]

Hmm, cant say I know hoe its calculated, but what puts trae so far ahead on offense vs say luka? Per 36 itd 31/10/4.5 for trae vs lukas 29/8/10, but in pic it looks like trae got like twice the amount. Unless it goes by actual stats, that would change it a little since luka took the rest for 1.5 qts in the clippers blowout

I was wondering when the Luka worry would show up. Its only natural.

Minutes per game, Trae is playing 33.1 and Luka is playing 32.3. It may also take into account TS%, WS, per 100 ratings, etc...Trae leads from a offensive standpoint in all those categories vs Luka.

Nobody denies that Trae looked the best of this players in offense, but looking at graph we should believe he was 2x better than everyone.

Other funny think is, how Mavs supposedly had incredible bad start and Hawks great start. Mavs without KP and 1 game without Luka and Hawks having very easy schedule. I believe we should wait at least another 10 games, before we make any kind of analysis.

[Buzzard]

Hmm, cant say I know hoe its calculated, but what puts trae so far ahead on offense vs say luka? Per 36 itd 31/10/4.5 for trae vs lukas 29/8/10, but in pic it looks like trae got like twice the amount. Unless it goes by actual stats, that would change it a little since luka took the rest for 1.5 qts in the clippers blowout

I was wondering when the Luka worry would show up. Its only natural.

Minutes per game, Trae is playing 33.1 and Luka is playing 32.3. It may also take into account TS%, WS, per 100 ratings, etc...Trae leads from a offensive standpoint in all those categories vs Luka.

Nobody denies that Trae looked the best of this players in offense, but looking at graph we should believe he was 2x better than everyone.

Other funny think is, how Mavs supposedly had incredible bad start and Hawks great start. Mavs without KP and 1 game without Luka and Hawks having very easy schedule. I believe we should wait at least another 10 games, before we make any kind of analysis.

I think we should wait longer than that. Gallinari and Rondo have only played 2 full games this season. Dunn and Snell have not played any. Okongwu, who was the Hawks top draft pick and player considered the best defensive big in the draft, has not played a game either.

I think the Hawks and Mavericks will be fine once they get healthy. Neither is ready for a championship but both should be pushing for the playoffs in my opinion.

[shakes0]

Hmm, cant say I know hoe its calculated, but what puts trae so far ahead on offense vs say luka? Per 36 itd 31/10/4.5 for trae vs lukas 29/8/10, but in pic it looks like trae got like twice the amount. Unless it goes by actual stats, that would change it a little since luka took the rest for 1.5 qts in the clippers blowout

I was wondering when the Luka worry would show up. Its only natural.

Minutes per game, Trae is playing 33.1 and Luka is playing 32.3. It may also take into account TS%, WS, per 100 ratings, etc...Trae leads from a offensive standpoint in all those categories vs Luka.

Nobody denies that Trae looked the best of this players in offense, but looking at graph we should believe he was 2x better than everyone.

Other funny think is, how Mavs supposedly had incredible bad start and Hawks great start. Mavs without KP and 1 game without Luka and Hawks having very easy schedule. I believe we should wait at least another 10 games, before we make any kind of analysis.

hmm, it's almost as if the Mavs are the only team with significant injuries.

Rondo
Gallinari
Dunn
Okongwu

[Bob8]

I was wondering when the Luka worry would show up. Its only natural.

Minutes per game, Trae is playing 33.1 and Luka is playing 32.3. It may also take into account TS%, WS, per 100 ratings, etc...Trae leads from a offensive standpoint in all those categories vs Luka.

Nobody denies that Trae looked the best of this players in offense, but looking at graph we should believe he was 2x better than everyone.

Other funny think is, how Mavs supposedly had incredible bad start and Hawks great start. Mavs without KP and 1 game without Luka and Hawks having very easy schedule. I believe we should wait at least another 10 games, before we make any kind of analysis.

hmm, it's almost as if the Mavs are the only team with significant injuries.

Rondo
Gallinari
Dunn
Okongwu

I believe KP is more important than those and he didn't play a single game. And you didn't mention anything about schedule.

[J_T]

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Good afternoon, class. Here is my presentation, titled, "Why I'm a Trae Young Doubter, In a Nutshell."

EDIT: To be fair, I think his TPA is the best in the class, based on this very graphic. Still, I stand by the reasoning that his defense is so bad that he has to play like a supernova on offense to really provide positive max-player value, and playing at that level on offense is going to be very hard to do consistently at his size.

That website has had Luka above Trae in year one and two so not sure why would you say that Trae has better TPA than him.

Either way, this TPA looks off to me, there are some crazy ones there... For example Luka was defensively positive as a rookie. Really? I am doubting model that produces such outcome.