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Is RJ Barrett a bust?

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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#241 » by K_ick_God » Wed Jan 6, 2021 5:46 pm

knicks94 wrote:I am hopping that more Knicks draft selections become busts like RJ.


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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#242 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Jan 6, 2021 5:53 pm

nedleeds wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
nedleeds wrote:Sure, he's a hall of famer.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=barrerj01&player_id2=reddica01#stats-per_game::none

He's completely comparable to Reddish if you aren't a blind a homer. Based on a much larger body of work. I hope RJ leaves him in the dust this year but last year despite Reddish being bad, RJ was worse.

RJ destroyed Cam on Monday.

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Dude, I hope he continues destroying everyone.

RJ will be fine
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#243 » by K_ick_God » Wed Jan 6, 2021 5:53 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:I stick by my long standing position, he will be the best player from that draft.


Zion is never going to be a good defender weighing as much as a 747, and his offense is built around him being heavy.
JA is never going to be a good defender in a playoff series because he's so slight, wings are how you win, we have one of the best under 23 wings in the league.


I don't even know that the limitations with Zion are about D but he doesn't play much of that. I don't see how Zion becomes great without some things changing that seem difficult to change. Maybe if he gets a great jumper.

There is some truth to the fact that Zion is too big and doesn't really seem to have a path to dominance, and I honestly think PGs who score (while Ja is also a good playmaker) is problematic. Little guys have to be viewed with skepticism IMO. Few guys have been able to overcome that -- it's both smallness that doesn't age as well but also that there is some truth to the Phil Doctrine. Little guys who hold the ball are not the be-all.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#244 » by DowNY » Wed Jan 6, 2021 5:54 pm

Dudes comparing RJ to Cam when they should be comparing Knox to Cam
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#245 » by nedleeds » Wed Jan 6, 2021 6:47 pm

DowNY wrote:Dudes comparing RJ to Cam when they should be comparing Knox to Cam


https://stathead.com/tiny/JdYEa

It not that close, but Knox shooting numbers this year have gone from the worst to bad.
Zenzibar wrote:Nevertheless, Payton is not a finished product yet and unless the team moves him in a couple of weeks, I anticipate him trending upward with this coaching staff.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#246 » by K_ick_God » Wed Jan 6, 2021 6:51 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:I stick by my long standing position, he will be the best player from that draft.


Zion is never going to be a good defender weighing as much as a 747, and his offense is built around him being heavy.
JA is never going to be a good defender in a playoff series because he's so slight, wings are how you win, we have one of the best under 23 wings in the league.


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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#247 » by prophet_of_rage » Wed Jan 6, 2021 9:12 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:RJ destroyed Cam on Monday.

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Dude, I hope he continues destroying everyone.

RJ will be fine
RJ will be more than fine. He wants it. The idea is actually to rein him in. He is Maple Mamba. He does have Kobe's mentality, but not the skill as of yet.

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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#248 » by prophet_of_rage » Wed Jan 6, 2021 9:14 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:I stick by my long standing position, he will be the best player from that draft.


Zion is never going to be a good defender weighing as much as a 747, and his offense is built around him being heavy.
JA is never going to be a good defender in a playoff series because he's so slight, wings are how you win, we have one of the best under 23 wings in the league.


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This one is too big.

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This one is too small.

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Ahh, this one is just right.

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Funny that Ja is on the shelf and Zion is already displaying an athletic decline. If you watch him he isn't exploding like he used to and his game is definitely more below the rim.

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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#249 » by nedleeds » Wed Jan 6, 2021 9:24 pm

Put the crack pipes down. You'd all trade RJ and your favorite aunt for Ja in a walking boot.
Zenzibar wrote:Nevertheless, Payton is not a finished product yet and unless the team moves him in a couple of weeks, I anticipate him trending upward with this coaching staff.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#250 » by K_ick_God » Wed Jan 6, 2021 9:29 pm

nedleeds wrote:Put the crack pipes down. You'd all trade RJ and your favorite aunt for Ja in a walking boot.


I would not.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#251 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed Jan 6, 2021 9:39 pm

nedleeds wrote:Put the crack pipes down. You'd all trade RJ and your favorite aunt for Ja in a walking boot.



I wouldn't, wings that can create are more valuable than 6'3" PGs, the only player that size worth building around is Curry, and JA isn't Curry in the least bit.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#252 » by nedleeds » Wed Jan 6, 2021 10:49 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
nedleeds wrote:Put the crack pipes down. You'd all trade RJ and your favorite aunt for Ja in a walking boot.



I wouldn't, wings that can create are more valuable than 6'3" PGs, the only player that size worth building around is Curry, and JA isn't Curry in the least bit.

:crazy:

Ja took a junk roster to the play in game, RJ can't shoot, dribble right or pass at anything resembling an elite level. Ja is a year older but other than that it's not close. Hopefully RJ pulls ahead this year with the improved coaching and the work he put in this Summer.
Zenzibar wrote:Nevertheless, Payton is not a finished product yet and unless the team moves him in a couple of weeks, I anticipate him trending upward with this coaching staff.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#253 » by prophet_of_rage » Thu Jan 7, 2021 12:21 am

nedleeds wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
nedleeds wrote:Put the crack pipes down. You'd all trade RJ and your favorite aunt for Ja in a walking boot.



I wouldn't, wings that can create are more valuable than 6'3" PGs, the only player that size worth building around is Curry, and JA isn't Curry in the least bit.

:crazy:

Ja took a junk roster to the play in game, RJ can't shoot, dribble right or pass at anything resembling an elite level. Ja is a year older but other than that it's not close. Hopefully RJ pulls ahead this year with the improved coaching and the work he put in this Summer.
It'll be Ja for the next five years, but Barrett will last longer. With faded athleticism RJ can play 3 and some 4 like Melo. With faded athleticism Ja can't teally play.

Ja has better skills now, too, but overtime RJ will be better. Like Kyeie versus Kawhi.

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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#254 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Jan 7, 2021 12:40 am

nedleeds wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
nedleeds wrote:Put the crack pipes down. You'd all trade RJ and your favorite aunt for Ja in a walking boot.



I wouldn't, wings that can create are more valuable than 6'3" PGs, the only player that size worth building around is Curry, and JA isn't Curry in the least bit.

:crazy:

Ja took a junk roster to the play in game, RJ can't shoot, dribble right or pass at anything resembling an elite level. Ja is a year older but other than that it's not close. Hopefully RJ pulls ahead this year with the improved coaching and the work he put in this Summer.


A junk roster? That team fit his skillset, why don't you look at JA's shooting splits with and without Jarren Jackson last season. He shot like crap in the bubble mostly because Jarren was out, but people just excused it.

I don't care about who is better right this second, how many people gave up on Brandon Ingram? Outside of the LeBron, KD and Luka's of the world it generally takes a few seasons for all-star level wings to develop, where as good PGs can contribute a lot sooner.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#255 » by K_ick_God » Thu Jan 7, 2021 1:27 am

RJ Sucks.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#256 » by nyk2017 » Thu Jan 7, 2021 4:57 am

Right now RJ is playing like a rookie. He is missing too many open shots. He is pressing and can't be counted on especially if this team makes a playoff run. I anticipate that if we are still in the playoff hunt after 50 games and is RJ is this inconsistent, RJ's minutes will be given to Burks. My only hope that RJ follows the same trajectory as Brandon Ingram and puts it all together by year 4.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#257 » by nedleeds » Thu Jan 7, 2021 5:13 am

KnicksGod wrote:RJ Sucks.


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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#258 » by K_ick_God » Thu Jan 7, 2021 5:22 am

nedleeds wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:RJ Sucks.


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It was just a reverse jinx and it worked a little.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#259 » by Knicksfan20 » Thu Jan 7, 2021 12:05 pm

Bust a Barrett RJ is
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#260 » by Nazrmohamed » Thu Jan 7, 2021 3:12 pm

DowNY wrote:Dudes comparing RJ to Cam when they should be comparing Knox to Cam


Yes. I would still trade for Cam right now if we could. The Hawks have so many wing/forwards that some just may not develop there. Maybe Frank or DSJ and some 2nd rounders would do it. Knox is really our only true SF. I dont think a move like this would hurt our current chemistry but adds a young player with good potential

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