The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

[cjbulls]

Another game, 2 rebounds and 1 assist. For a guy many here claim has the full toolkit or whatever, he needs to learn how to contribute to an nba basketball game besides a few shots and some average defense.

So will you let him learn adjust and grow his game as the season goes along or will you box score watch bemoaning what he hasn't given the team after less than 10 games into his career?

I don’t need to box score watch to see he doesn’t really contribute in any way besides catch, two dribbles and pull up mid range.

Yes yes, let’s give him time, but let’s also not be cognizant of these weaknesses. PW doesn’t have enough scoring ability to make up for the nothing else he contributes. His success as a basketball player is predicated on his versatility.

[cjbulls]

Another game, 2 rebounds and 1 assist. For a guy many here claim has the full toolkit or whatever, he needs to learn how to contribute to an nba basketball game besides a few shots and some average defense.

So will you let him learn adjust and grow his game as the season goes along or will you box score watch bemoaning what he hasn't given the team after less than 10 games into his career?

He's gonna box score watch lol. He didn't even play much due to the concussion protocol.

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22 minutes last night is right around his average, nice try. Saddiq Bey just put up 20, 10 and 3 in 24 minutes.

[coldfish]

Another game, 2 rebounds and 1 assist. For a guy many here claim has the full toolkit or whatever, he needs to learn how to contribute to an nba basketball game besides a few shots and some average defense.

So will you let him learn adjust and grow his game as the season goes along or will you box score watch bemoaning what he hasn't given the team after less than 10 games into his career?

I don’t need to box score watch to see he doesn’t really contribute in any way besides catch, two dribbles and pull up mid range.

Yes yes, let’s give him time, but let’s also not be cognizant of these weaknesses. PW doesn’t have enough scoring ability to make up for the nothing else he contributes. His success as a basketball player is predicated on his versatility.

On the day he was drafted, I went back and looked at some FSU games focusing on him. In college, he was . . . low energy. I knocked the pick partly based on that.

PWill's future isn't certain and he deserves a chance. I hope that he goes on to be a superstar but yeah, his general lack of being involved is a concern.

[cjbulls]

So will you let him learn adjust and grow his game as the season goes along or will you box score watch bemoaning what he hasn't given the team after less than 10 games into his career?

I don’t need to box score watch to see he doesn’t really contribute in any way besides catch, two dribbles and pull up mid range.

Yes yes, let’s give him time, but let’s also not be cognizant of these weaknesses. PW doesn’t have enough scoring ability to make up for the nothing else he contributes. His success as a basketball player is predicated on his versatility.

On the day he was drafted, I went back and looked at some FSU games focusing on him. In college, he was . . . low energy. I knocked the pick partly based on that.

PWill's future isn't certain and he deserves a chance. I hope that he goes on to be a superstar but yeah, his general lack of being involved is a concern.

It should be a focus of the coaching. Get him attacking the boards. Maybe even run some offensive sets that get him more involved.

I was just looking at his stats vs the team

-His rebounding rate is worse than both Zach and Coby

-His assist rate is second worst on the team, just beat out by Gafford (5.8 vs. 5.1%, everyone else but Lauri is above 10%)

-His turnover rate is the third highest on the team if you ignore Sato

-His steals rate is second worst on the team next to Coby (didn’t expect that)

-Block rate is pretty good and has been noticeable in game.

[the ultimates]

Another game, 2 rebounds and 1 assist. For a guy many here claim has the full toolkit or whatever, he needs to learn how to contribute to an nba basketball game besides a few shots and some average defense.

So will you let him learn adjust and grow his game as the season goes along or will you box score watch bemoaning what he hasn't given the team after less than 10 games into his career?

I don’t need to box score watch to see he doesn’t really contribute in any way besides catch, two dribbles and pull up mid range.

Yes yes, let’s give him time, but let’s also not be cognizant of these weaknesses. PW doesn’t have enough scoring ability to make up for the nothing else he contributes. His success as a basketball player is predicated on his versatility.

What should his scoring numbers and assists be for you as a fifth option? How many rebounds do you feel he should be getting playing alongside Porter and Carter?

If somebody says let a player learn and grow I think they are cognizant of weaknesses and problem areas. Judging it by saying player x once again has only given me this many points, rebounds, or numbers not even a month into the season is a little disingenuous.

[fleet]

So will you let him learn adjust and grow his game as the season goes along or will you box score watch bemoaning what he hasn't given the team after less than 10 games into his career?

He's gonna box score watch lol. He didn't even play much due to the concussion protocol.

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22 minutes last night is right around his average, nice try. Saddiq Bey just put up 20, 10 and 3 in 24 minutes.

An older more developed player, allowed to do more things. Although Bey was a nice pick some teams missed out on. If you’re looking for stats from young Patrick, you are missing how the Bulls are using and developing him

[cjbulls]

So will you let him learn adjust and grow his game as the season goes along or will you box score watch bemoaning what he hasn't given the team after less than 10 games into his career?

I don’t need to box score watch to see he doesn’t really contribute in any way besides catch, two dribbles and pull up mid range.

Yes yes, let’s give him time, but let’s also not be cognizant of these weaknesses. PW doesn’t have enough scoring ability to make up for the nothing else he contributes. His success as a basketball player is predicated on his versatility.

What should his scoring numbers and assists be for you as a fifth option? How many rebounds do you feel he should be getting playing alongside Porter and Carter?

If somebody says let a player learn and grow I think they are cognizant of weaknesses and problem areas. Judging it by saying player x once again has only given me this many points, rebounds, or numbers not even a month into the season is a little disingenuous.

I forgot Patrick was so raw no one taught him how to rebound.

Right now the Bulls are 25th in rebounding. This isn’t pace adjusted, but I would think the Bulls are above average in pace which makes these numbers worse.

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/team/_/table/general/sort/avgRebounds/dir/desc

The idea that Otto (6.9) and Wendell (8.2) are stealing all his boards is a bit silly. He’s being outrebounded by Zach and Coby.

[fleet]

If you watch the games you can see he is seldom under the hoop, and his job is to box out or go to the other end quickly. When balls come to him he’s pretty good

[cjbulls]

He's gonna box score watch lol. He didn't even play much due to the concussion protocol.

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22 minutes last night is right around his average, nice try. Saddiq Bey just put up 20, 10 and 3 in 24 minutes.

An older more developed player, allowed to do more things. Although Bey was a nice pick some teams missed out on. If you’re looking for stats from young Patrick, you are missing how the Bulls are using and developing him

Did they find Patrick Williams out in the desert somewhere? Was he raised by wolves? He was a top 50 recruit with a season at one of the top teams in the country. Plenty of one and dones have been able to contribute

[fleet]

I don’t blame you for asking why he is not being used. Bit simple fact is, they don’t ask him to do much of anything other than defend which he does well. Its kind of weird.

[cjbulls]

I don’t blame you for asking why he is not being used. Bit simple fact is, they don’t ask him to do much of anything other than defend which he does well. Its kind of weird.

I think you are making as assumption about what he is being asked to do. I doubt BD tells him to stand in the corner and not get involved, particularly on the boards.

[the ultimates]

I don’t need to box score watch to see he doesn’t really contribute in any way besides catch, two dribbles and pull up mid range.

Yes yes, let’s give him time, but let’s also not be cognizant of these weaknesses. PW doesn’t have enough scoring ability to make up for the nothing else he contributes. His success as a basketball player is predicated on his versatility.

What should his scoring numbers and assists be for you as a fifth option? How many rebounds do you feel he should be getting playing alongside Porter and Carter?

If somebody says let a player learn and grow I think they are cognizant of weaknesses and problem areas. Judging it by saying player x once again has only given me this many points, rebounds, or numbers not even a month into the season is a little disingenuous.

I forgot Patrick was so raw no one taught him how to rebound.

Right now the Bulls are 25th in rebounding. This isn’t pace adjusted, but I would think the Bulls are above average in pace which makes these numbers worse.

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/team/_/table/general/sort/avgRebounds/dir/desc

The idea that Otto (6.9) and Wendell (8.2) are stealing all his boards is a bit silly. He’s being outrebounded by Zach and Coby.

For you how many rebounds should he average? Are you trying to say or statistically imply Porter and Carter are bad rebounders? Coby and Zach are playing 10 more minutes a night than Williams but hey those 2 extra rebounds he might get really show something about his development or lack thereof right?

[fleet]

I don’t blame you for asking why he is not being used. Bit simple fact is, they don’t ask him to do much of anything other than defend which he does well. Its kind of weird.

I think you are making as assumption about what he is being asked to do. I doubt BD tells him to stand in the corner and not get involved, particularly on the boards.

I don’t know what you’re looking at, because that’s exactly what is happening.

Cool story (Bro), I was at OCS in Quantico, and we were learning how to drill. The Drill instructor was so repetitive and basic and simple with what he asked of us it didn't seem possible to be able to win in competition. I was stunned when we came in first place. But the guy knew how to teach. Billy has Patrick on food and water right now, but he he knows how to develop players. His style is really basic and restrictive.

[cjbulls]

What should his scoring numbers and assists be for you as a fifth option? How many rebounds do you feel he should be getting playing alongside Porter and Carter?

If somebody says let a player learn and grow I think they are cognizant of weaknesses and problem areas. Judging it by saying player x once again has only given me this many points, rebounds, or numbers not even a month into the season is a little disingenuous.

I forgot Patrick was so raw no one taught him how to rebound.

Right now the Bulls are 25th in rebounding. This isn’t pace adjusted, but I would think the Bulls are above average in pace which makes these numbers worse.

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/team/_/table/general/sort/avgRebounds/dir/desc

The idea that Otto (6.9) and Wendell (8.2) are stealing all his boards is a bit silly. He’s being outrebounded by Zach and Coby.

For you how many rebounds should he average? Are you trying to say or statistically imply Porter and Carter are bad rebounders? Coby and Zach are playing 10 more minutes a night than Williams but hey those 2 extra rebounds he might get really show something about his development or lack thereof right?

It’s about rebounding rate. It says what % of available boards the player gets, regardless of minutes played.

Yes, getting more rebounds would be helpful. With his size and skills, it should be double or more.

The idea we should ignore all rebounds, assists, etc. and be happy about development is laughable, especially considering the type of player we are trying to mold him into.

[JohnnyTapwater]

I do think Sleepy should be crashing the boards more.

Does he have a motor issue? I want more energy from him, which would manifest itself in crashing the boards or being more aggressive offensively.

Luckily we aren't 10 games into his career yet.

[the ultimates]

I forgot Patrick was so raw no one taught him how to rebound.

Right now the Bulls are 25th in rebounding. This isn’t pace adjusted, but I would think the Bulls are above average in pace which makes these numbers worse.

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/team/_/table/general/sort/avgRebounds/dir/desc

The idea that Otto (6.9) and Wendell (8.2) are stealing all his boards is a bit silly. He’s being outrebounded by Zach and Coby.

For you how many rebounds should he average? Are you trying to say or statistically imply Porter and Carter are bad rebounders? Coby and Zach are playing 10 more minutes a night than Williams but hey those 2 extra rebounds he might get really show something about his development or lack thereof right?

It’s about rebounding rate. It says what % of available boards the player gets, regardless of minutes played.

Yes, getting more rebounds would be helpful. With his size and skills, it should be double or more.

The idea we should ignore all rebounds, assists, etc. and be happy about development is laughable, especially considering the type of player we are trying to mold him into.

No, it laughable that you want to see everything from him now and try to use two weeks' worth of games also known as small sample size to glean anything of meaning.

[cjbulls]

For you how many rebounds should he average? Are you trying to say or statistically imply Porter and Carter are bad rebounders? Coby and Zach are playing 10 more minutes a night than Williams but hey those 2 extra rebounds he might get really show something about his development or lack thereof right?

It’s about rebounding rate. It says what % of available boards the player gets, regardless of minutes played.

Yes, getting more rebounds would be helpful. With his size and skills, it should be double or more.

The idea we should ignore all rebounds, assists, etc. and be happy about development is laughable, especially considering the type of player we are trying to mold him into.

No, it laughable that you want to see everything from him now and try to use two weeks' worth of games also known as small sample size to glean anything of meaning.

This isn’t new. He was poor at rebounding and playmaking in college too. Rebounding is particularly known as a reliable transfer to a pro career. He was also poor at this in the preseason. At some point, you should acknowledge the problem and correct it rather than just assume it is nothing.

[the ultimates]

It’s about rebounding rate. It says what % of available boards the player gets, regardless of minutes played.

Yes, getting more rebounds would be helpful. With his size and skills, it should be double or more.

The idea we should ignore all rebounds, assists, etc. and be happy about development is laughable, especially considering the type of player we are trying to mold him into.

No, it laughable that you want to see everything from him now and try to use two weeks' worth of games also known as small sample size to glean anything of meaning.

This isn’t new. He was poor at rebounding and playmaking in college too. Rebounding is particularly known as a reliable transfer to a pro career. He was also poor at this in the preseason. At some point, you should acknowledge the problem and correct it rather than just assume it is nothing.

I have said repeatedly in my conversations with you give him time to learn adjust and grow. So I've recognized some of the weaknesses what I'm not doing is extrapolating anything good or bad in less than 10 games of pro ball. Bulls fans always want guys with youth, potential and upside but they never actually have any patience to see if the player gets there.

[cjbulls]

No, it laughable that you want to see everything from him now and try to use two weeks' worth of games also known as small sample size to glean anything of meaning.

This isn’t new. He was poor at rebounding and playmaking in college too. Rebounding is particularly known as a reliable transfer to a pro career. He was also poor at this in the preseason. At some point, you should acknowledge the problem and correct it rather than just assume it is nothing.

I have said repeatedly in my conversations with you give him time to learn adjust and grow. So I've recognized some of the weaknesses what I'm not doing is extrapolating anything good or bad in less than 10 games of pro ball. Bulls fans always want guys with youth, potential and upside but they never actually have any patience to see if the player gets there.

And I’ve said repeatedly he needs more time, but that includes pushing a player to correct the issues.

And at the same time be weary that if everyone just got significantly better at rebounding, playmaking, etc., it would be a league full of All-Stars.

[DroseReturnChi]

This isn’t new. He was poor at rebounding and playmaking in college too. Rebounding is particularly known as a reliable transfer to a pro career. He was also poor at this in the preseason. At some point, you should acknowledge the problem and correct it rather than just assume it is nothing.

I have said repeatedly in my conversations with you give him time to learn adjust and grow. So I've recognized some of the weaknesses what I'm not doing is extrapolating anything good or bad in less than 10 games of pro ball. Bulls fans always want guys with youth, potential and upside but they never actually have any patience to see if the player gets there.

And I’ve said repeatedly he needs more time, but that includes pushing a player to correct the issues.

And at the same time be weary that if everyone just got better significantly better at rebounding, playmaking, etc., it would be a league full of All-Stars.

Rebounding isnt even an issue. By ur logic, we should max Carter bc he is a rebounding machine. Simply, he is stealing PW's rebound your just literally counting stats. Playmaking too he has pretty good handles but he rarely get touches/teammates suck at making shots his ast numbers suck.