3rd year players - where they are - small sample size in 3rd season

[Buzzard]

Nobody denies that Trae looked the best of this players in offense, but looking at graph we should believe he was 2x better than everyone.

Other funny think is, how Mavs supposedly had incredible bad start and Hawks great start. Mavs without KP and 1 game without Luka and Hawks having very easy schedule. I believe we should wait at least another 10 games, before we make any kind of analysis.

hmm, it's almost as if the Mavs are the only team with significant injuries.

Rondo
Gallinari
Dunn
Okongwu

I believe KP is more important than those and he didn't play a single game. And you didn't mention anything about schedule.

I can't really agree with the take that Gallinari and Rondo are not extremely important to the Hawks. Gallinari alone put up 18.7 points in less than 30 minutes a game last season. That is not KP type production but he is a much more efficient player than KP has ever been.

The Hawks bench has been decimated to be honest. I don't think they will stay above .500 if at least some of these injured players do not get back.

[shakes0]

Nobody denies that Trae looked the best of this players in offense, but looking at graph we should believe he was 2x better than everyone.

Other funny think is, how Mavs supposedly had incredible bad start and Hawks great start. Mavs without KP and 1 game without Luka and Hawks having very easy schedule. I believe we should wait at least another 10 games, before we make any kind of analysis.

hmm, it's almost as if the Mavs are the only team with significant injuries.

Rondo
Gallinari
Dunn
Okongwu

I believe KP is more important than those and he didn't play a single game. And you didn't mention anything about schedule.

Individually KP is more important, but having what amounts to our entire bench being out is no less significant IMO.


The schedule comment is stupid. They're all playing NBA teams, some better than others, some hotter than others, some injured, some with resting players. YOu can't just look at a schedule of 6 games and say one is tougher than the other. There's no easy game in the NBA at this point of the season...unless you're playing Toronto

[Bob8]

hmm, it's almost as if the Mavs are the only team with significant injuries.

Rondo
Gallinari
Dunn
Okongwu

I believe KP is more important than those and he didn't play a single game. And you didn't mention anything about schedule.

I can't really agree with the take that Gallinari and Rondo are not extremely important to the Hawks. Gallinari alone put up 18.7 points in less than 30 minutes a game last season. That is not KP type production but he is a much more efficient player than KP has ever been.

The Hawks bench has been decimated to be honest. I don't think they will stay above .500 if at least some of these injured players do not get back.

KP vs. Powell?

It's not only about KP's points but maybe more important, he enables Luka to drive much more easily and he's half of Mavs D.

[Bob8]

hmm, it's almost as if the Mavs are the only team with significant injuries.

Rondo
Gallinari
Dunn
Okongwu

I believe KP is more important than those and he didn't play a single game. And you didn't mention anything about schedule.

Individually KP is more important, but having what amounts to our entire bench being out is no less significant IMO.


The schedule comment is stupid. They're all playing NBA teams, some better than others, some hotter than others, some injured, some with resting players. YOu can't just look at a schedule of 6 games and say one is tougher than the other. There's no easy game in the NBA at this point of the season...unless you're playing Toronto

We have 7 games sample in graph and we have 7 games sample in schedule. You should decide, if first means something than second for sure means something too.

[Buzzard]

I believe KP is more important than those and he didn't play a single game. And you didn't mention anything about schedule.

I can't really agree with the take that Gallinari and Rondo are not extremely important to the Hawks. Gallinari alone put up 18.7 points in less than 30 minutes a game last season. That is not KP type production but he is a much more efficient player than KP has ever been.

The Hawks bench has been decimated to be honest. I don't think they will stay above .500 if at least some of these injured players do not get back.

KP vs. Powell?

It's not only about KP's points but maybe more important, he enables Luka to drive much more easily and he's half of Mavs D.

No one is saying KP is not important. But Gallinari and Rondo is to the Hawks also. Not to mention Dunn, Okongwu, and Snell. That is five bench players. How many players are injured for the Mavericks right now?

[bwgood77]

Minuscule sample size

Yeah, something to keep updated throughout the season to see how it changes.

Bridges will probably come down to earth offensively but Ayton getting better, as far as the Suns players go.

[matt6715]

Read on Twitter

Good afternoon, class. Here is my presentation, titled, "Why I'm a Trae Young Doubter, In a Nutshell."

EDIT: To be fair, I think his TPA is the best in the class, based on this very graphic. Still, I stand by the reasoning that his defense is so bad that he has to play like a supernova on offense to really provide positive max-player value, and playing at that level on offense is going to be very hard to do consistently at his size.

That website has had Luka above Trae in year one and two so not sure why would you say that Trae has better TPA than him.

Either way, this TPA looks off to me, there are some crazy ones there... For example Luka was defensively positive as a rookie. Really? I am doubting model that produces such outcome.

Defensive rebounding is almost always counted as a defensive stat in models like this. Pretty sure DBPM is another one

[Bob8]

I can't really agree with the take that Gallinari and Rondo are not extremely important to the Hawks. Gallinari alone put up 18.7 points in less than 30 minutes a game last season. That is not KP type production but he is a much more efficient player than KP has ever been.

The Hawks bench has been decimated to be honest. I don't think they will stay above .500 if at least some of these injured players do not get back.

KP vs. Powell?

It's not only about KP's points but maybe more important, he enables Luka to drive much more easily and he's half of Mavs D.

No one is saying KP is not important. But Gallinari and Rondo is to the Hawks also. Not to mention Dunn, Okongwu, and Snell. That is five bench players. How many players are injured for the Mavericks right now?

Look at Mavs starting 5 and tell me, if this is starting 5 of playoff team in the west? I believe you're missing your bench players, but missing the second star and far the best defender is crucial for the Mavs.

[Buzzard]

KP vs. Powell?

It's not only about KP's points but maybe more important, he enables Luka to drive much more easily and he's half of Mavs D.

No one is saying KP is not important. But Gallinari and Rondo is to the Hawks also. Not to mention Dunn, Okongwu, and Snell. That is five bench players. How many players are injured for the Mavericks right now?

Look at Mavs starting 5 and tell me, if this is starting 5 of playoff team in the west? I believe you're missing your bench players, but missing the second star and far the best defender is crucial for the Mavs.

Depending on who you talk to on this board, Gallinari is the 2nd or 3rd best player on the Hawks squad. More than a few thought he was going to be the reason Collins may get traded.

So you are still not making me feel like the Hawks should not miss Gallinari, Rondo. Dunn, Okongwu, and Snell

[Bob8]

No one is saying KP is not important. But Gallinari and Rondo is to the Hawks also. Not to mention Dunn, Okongwu, and Snell. That is five bench players. How many players are injured for the Mavericks right now?

Look at Mavs starting 5 and tell me, if this is starting 5 of playoff team in the west? I believe you're missing your bench players, but missing the second star and far the best defender is crucial for the Mavs.

Depending on who you talk to on this board, Gallinari is the 2nd or 3rd best player on the Hawks squad. More than a few thought he was going to be the reason Collins may get traded.

So you are still not making me feel like the Hawks should not miss Gallinari, Rondo. Dunn, Okongwu, and Snell

I heard Gallinari is your bench player.

[Buzzard]

Look at Mavs starting 5 and tell me, if this is starting 5 of playoff team in the west? I believe you're missing your bench players, but missing the second star and far the best defender is crucial for the Mavs.

Depending on who you talk to on this board, Gallinari is the 2nd or 3rd best player on the Hawks squad. More than a few thought he was going to be the reason Collins may get traded.

So you are still not making me feel like the Hawks should not miss Gallinari, Rondo. Dunn, Okongwu, and Snell

I heard Gallinari is your bench player.

I don't really understand what you are trying to say. Are you saying Gallinari is not very good? Are you saying he will not get a lot of minutes? Are you saying missing five players from your depth is no big deal?

I was also wrong. He started the first game. Came off the bench his 2nd but was injured after only 3:09 minutes. He has only played one full game. I think he will come off the bench most games when he is healthy.

Given the expectations for Gallinari, plus the additional four other players missing, I say its pretty close to the same impact. We will just have to agree to disagree.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gallida01/gamelog/2021

[FelixD]

i have seen some of Doncic's games and he seems above average defender, he definitely improved over his last two seasons, but this stat doesn't reflect his improvement on defense, so let me be skeptical.

[Buzzard]

i have seen some of Doncic's games and he seems above average defender, he definitely improved over his last two seasons, but this stat doesn't reflect his improvement on defense, so let me be skeptical.

I don't care what any stat head says, there will never be a end all be all stat. I try to take them as a cumulative view. Stats are all important but not a one of them by themselves is that important.

[Bob8]

Depending on who you talk to on this board, Gallinari is the 2nd or 3rd best player on the Hawks squad. More than a few thought he was going to be the reason Collins may get traded.

So you are still not making me feel like the Hawks should not miss Gallinari, Rondo. Dunn, Okongwu, and Snell

I heard Gallinari is your bench player.

I don't really understand what you are trying to say. Are you saying Gallinari is not very good? Are you saying he will not get a lot of minutes? Are you saying missing five players from your depth is no big deal?

I was also wrong. He started the first game. Came off the bench his 2nd but was injured after only 3:09 minutes. He has only played one full game. I think he will come off the bench most games when he is healthy.

Given the expectations for Gallinari, plus the additional four other players missing, I say its pretty close to the same impact. We will just have to agree to disagree.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gallida01/gamelog/2021

I don't try to say anything. I just repeated the same words of your coach.

Look, Mavs have invested heavily to get Luka and KP. They're their only assets. If one is injured and not playing, they will always suffer a lot. You can say they are all in on those 2. I agree, you're unfortunate with injuries, but you at least still have your starters and some bench left, Mavs are starting with some scrubs.

This is the man, who has started 6 games instead of KP. https://www.nba.com/player/203939/dwight_powell/

Is there any similarly bad starting C in NBA? I don't believe that many teams have worse Centers on the bench. And he's as bad in D. too.

[Meeksology]

hmm, it's almost as if the Mavs are the only team with significant injuries.

Rondo
Gallinari
Dunn
Okongwu

I believe KP is more important than those and he didn't play a single game. And you didn't mention anything about schedule.

Individually KP is more important, but having what amounts to our entire bench being out is no less significant IMO.


The schedule comment is stupid. They're all playing NBA teams, some better than others, some hotter than others, some injured, some with resting players. YOu can't just look at a schedule of 6 games and say one is tougher than the other. There's no easy game in the NBA at this point of the season...unless you're playing Toronto

Ouch!

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[Bob8]

hmm, it's almost as if the Mavs are the only team with significant injuries.

Rondo
Gallinari
Dunn
Okongwu

I believe KP is more important than those and he didn't play a single game. And you didn't mention anything about schedule.

Individually KP is more important, but having what amounts to our entire bench being out is no less significant IMO.


The schedule comment is stupid. They're all playing NBA teams, some better than others, some hotter than others, some injured, some with resting players. YOu can't just look at a schedule of 6 games and say one is tougher than the other. There's no easy game in the NBA at this point of the season...unless you're playing Toronto

http://www.espn.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS

[tekkon]

Mikal Bridges is a beast man. I got no issues with a Suns fan wanting to shout that loud and long.

Philly should have never traded him. It's rare for me to follow a college guy, but I liked him from them, and thought he would fit well. Hopefully that Miami pick is worth it

Him and MatisseThybulle would be good together

[UcanUwill]

not a pretty picture for Bagley. Obviously very early

Probably not a great time to demand a trade.

I heard Moscow Chimki are not pleased with Monroe and Jerebko, they might be the fit at the end, in other words, be grateful you play in the league in the first place, you paid to be a scrub.

[shakes0]

Mikal Bridges is a beast man. I got no issues with a Suns fan wanting to shout that loud and long.

Philly should have never traded him. It's rare for me to follow a college guy, but I liked him from them, and thought he would fit well. Hopefully that Miami pick is worth it

Him and MatisseThybulle would be good together

that trade made zero sense the second they made it and it continues to make zero sense 3 years later. he was exactly what Philly needed and for cripes sake, him mom even works for the team! I thought it was a total slap in the face when they traded him.

[UcanUwill]

Hmm, cant say I know hoe its calculated, but what puts trae so far ahead on offense vs say luka? Per 36 itd 31/10/4.5 for trae vs lukas 29/8/10, but in pic it looks like trae got like twice the amount. Unless it goes by actual stats, that would change it a little since luka took the rest for 1.5 qts in the clippers blowout

I was wondering when the Luka worry would show up. Its only natural.

Minutes per game, Trae is playing 33.1 and Luka is playing 32.3. It may also take into account TS%, WS, per 100 ratings, etc...Trae leads from a offensive standpoint in all those categories vs Luka.

Nobody denies that Trae looked the best of this players in offense, but looking at graph we should believe he was 2x better than everyone.

Other funny think is, how Mavs supposedly had incredible bad start and Hawks great start. Mavs without KP and 1 game without Luka and Hawks having very easy schedule. I believe we should wait at least another 10 games, before we make any kind of analysis.

Where do you see this 2x better, Trae is like at 25 and Luka is at 20, take into account Trae plays more minutes, Trae is leading but its not a big lead at all.