The Official Cunningham vs Suggs Thread #Tank4Either

[tdotrep2]

lol anthony davis has a bigger frame and moves better, he wont be AD. Doesnt mean he wont be really good tho

AD in college was super thin too. AD bulked up couple years into the league

he was thin but wide af, mobley built like boucher

[VanWest82]

This is a little old but can one of our draft experts who maybe has ESPN+ help me understand why Givony doesn't even have Suggs in his top 10? Thanks.

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[JShuttlesworth]

He has a KG / Bosh type build. He's 19, he needs time to fill out that 7 foot frame.

[tdotrep2]

i'd be happy with any of the top 5 tbh, maybe a little less about suggs because of the size but who could turn out to be the best player in the end. just seems like a high volume type, someone like lavine

[Bruin]

AD in college was 6’10” with a 7’6” wingspan, 220 lbs

Mobley is 7’ with a 7’5” wingspan, 215 lbs

Physically they are very close. Talent wise I could see it but still to be seen. An intriguing prospect for sure

[HeadtopChunes]

This is a little old but can one of our draft experts who maybe has ESPN+ help me understand why Givony doesn't even have Suggs in his top 10? Thanks.

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check the date that tweet is before CBB started and Suggs rose up

[JShuttlesworth]

This is a little old but can one of our draft experts who maybe has ESPN+ help me understand why Givony doesn't even have Suggs in his top 10? Thanks.

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No idea, but Brandon Boston is averaging 15.2 3P%, and 35.8 FG%, I don't know why Givony has him so high.

[Bruin]

This is a little old but can one of our draft experts who maybe has ESPN+ help me understand why Givony doesn't even have Suggs in his top 10? Thanks.

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They had Suggs listed at 18th here. No mention of him at all in the analysis though

[Bruin]

This is a little old but can one of our draft experts who maybe has ESPN+ help me understand why Givony doesn't even have Suggs in his top 10? Thanks.

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No idea, but Brandon Boston is averaging 15.2 3P%, and 35.8 FG%, I don't know why Givony has him so high.

Yeah Boston’s stock has falled a bit since this was posted. Still a lotto pick though

[JShuttlesworth]

i'd be happy with any of the top 5 tbh, maybe a little less about suggs because of the size but who could turn out to be the best player in the end. just seems like a high volume type, someone like lavine

That's my fear with Suggs, a backcourt rotation of VanVleet / Suggs / Flynn is so small. Still a lot of college basketball to play, I'll be watching closely.

It's fun following the Top Tier draft prospects as opposed to late first rounders for a change.

[BBallG]

I like Green and Kuminga cause they seem to have more star potential than the rest. Green is quicker and more crafty/flashy but Kuminga has beastly size/skill combo and both are high flyers.

Kid takes off nearly from the ft line and makes this layup look easy but it's **** ridiculous for his size...

https://youtu.be/Vji6eBO0cuY?t=620

[Bruin]

This is a little old but can one of our draft experts who maybe has ESPN+ help me understand why Givony doesn't even have Suggs in his top 10? Thanks.

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Here’s the article if anyone’s interested

Spoiler:

Storylines to watch

• The race for the No. 1 pick is still fairly open right now, though not quite to the extent that it was in 2020.

Oklahoma State point guard Cade Cunningham is the early favorite, and he has a great chance to hold on to that spot due to the premium that NBA teams are putting on oversized playmakers who can defend multiple positions and carry significant shot-creation duties. Cunningham's ideal physical tools, outstanding feel for the game, pick-and-roll savvy and increasingly effective jump shot puts him in pole position, despite the fact that Oklahoma State will not be playing in the NCAA tournament.

Cunningham's main competition at this stage will come from the G League Ignite's Jalen Green and Kentucky's B.J. Boston. Green is perhaps the most explosive player in the class. He has fantastic scoring instincts in the open floor and is a capable shot-maker, passer and defender. How effectively NBA teams are able to scout him -- along with potential lottery pick teammates Jonathan Kuminga and Daishen Nix -- is one of the questions NBA teams have as the G League is still getting a handle on what its season will look like amid the pandemic.

Boston may be able to capitalize on that with a strong season playing in a more traditional setting at Kentucky, where he has already demonstrated impressive talent as a 6-7 guard with a 7-foot wingspan who can create shots for himself and others, pull up with deep range and defend all over the floor.

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• The rest of the lottery is composed of one-and-done freshmen and promising internationals.

USC's Evan Mobley spent much of his high school career in consideration for the No. 1 spot in recruiting rankings thanks to his dynamic combination of length, mobility, defensive versatility and offensive upside. How his 215-pound frame and modern skill level evolve will help determine how high he gets drafted, but there's quite a bit to like about his long-term potential.

NBA teams will have many flavors of wing prospects to choose from in the rest of the top-10 if our early projections are any indication. Stanford's Ziaire Williams has outstanding tools at 6-8 with budding ballhandling, passing, shot-making and defensive ability, but he is rail-thin and a late bloomer whose consistency fluctuated in high school. Duke's Jalen Johnson is physically ready at 6-9, 220 pounds, and perhaps the most unique prospect in the class skills-wise with his ambidextrous ballhandling and passing as well as outstanding defensive versatility. His jump shot will swing his ability to contend for No. 1 or slide to later in the lottery.

The dark horse of the group, at least relative to his No. 28 recruiting ranking, is Tennessee's Keon Johnson, who is garnering rave reviews from the Vols' coaching staff in the preseason. He has been projected in our lottery since an impressive showing at the USA Basketball minicamp in October 2019, but missed most of his senior year of high school with a knee injury. Johnson is an ultra-aggressive, explosive guard who plays with outstanding energy and activity, and his skill level seems to be catching up with his physical tools. His passing, shooting and ballhandling looked significantly improved prior to his injury. Likely to see time as a big playmaker who defends all over the floor, Johnson is another high-upside prospect who could make a run at the top five, similar to Isaac Okoro did.

FSU's Scottie Barnes dipped in our early projections, but he has rocketed back into the top 10. Film from his outstanding senior year of high school shows that he is perhaps the best defender in the class and also one of its best passers, Barnes doesn't jump off the page with his athleticism or shooting, but he brings real contributions to winning with his toughness and feel. He will likely be a polarizing prospect if his career 27% 3-point shooting and 67% free throw shooting don't show improvement in college.

Kuminga, one of the most gifted prospects physically at 6-8 with a 7-foot wingspan and a strong frame, had an up-and-down final season in high school due to injury, inconsistency and inefficiency. His skill, feel and intensity are still catching up with his tools. Still, he's a prototype for what the NBA looks for in a combo forward, as he's lethal in the open court, shoots off the dribble some and brings multi-positional versatility defensively.

• Are big men back? The results of the 2020 NBA draft -- in which 10 players who played primarily at center ended up being selected in the top 35 -- showed that teams aren't quite ready to fully usher in the small-ball era. The NBA playoffs seemed to remind executives of the value of big men, especially those with legitimate skill or game-changing defensive versatility, and that translated to draft.

Seventeen of the 60 players currently projected to be drafted can be categorized as big men, the exact same number of players who heard their name called in 2020.

[720]

i'd be happy with any of the top 5 tbh, maybe a little less about suggs because of the size but who could turn out to be the best player in the end. just seems like a high volume type, someone like lavine

Suggs is Six foot four isn't he? He would instantly be our tallest PG.

[720]

i'd be happy with any of the top 5 tbh, maybe a little less about suggs because of the size but who could turn out to be the best player in the end. just seems like a high volume type, someone like lavine

That's my fear with Suggs, a backcourt rotation of VanVleet / Suggs / Flynn is so small. Still a lot of college basketball to play, I'll be watching closely.

It's fun following the Top Tier draft prospects as opposed to late first rounders for a change.

You trade Fred if you get Suggs imo. Last thing we want is a Portland like Treadmill with a Lillard and McCollum situation.

[HeadtopChunes]

my issue with Suggs is less his size and more than he doesn’t have a point gaurd handle, it’s good enough for his spaced drives w/ Gonzagas shooters but not elite halfcourt operator handle. More off-gaurd handle which means he probably isn’t a primary

[blaateeee]

I'll put my two cents here... I think people are sleeping on Evan Mobley... he's insanely fluid and skilled, whenever I watch him I think superstar...

[720]

I'll put my two cents here... I think people are sleeping on Evan Mobley... he's insanely fluid and skilled, whenever I watch him I think superstar...

When he posts up I get early skinny college Embiid vibes before he got fat.

[Reeko]

In terms of fit the best prospects for the Raps are Green, Kuminga and Cunningham. I think Suggs is great and would take him in a heartbeat. If we land at 5 and Mobley is there you take him, but not any earlier. In today's league you need elite wings, a star big man is good to have but in today's NBA they aren't leading your team to a title as the #1 option. So you draft one of the first four and maybe trade one of our core for a mid first rounder and take a guy like Charles Bassey.

[Psubs]

This is a little old but can one of our draft experts who maybe has ESPN+ help me understand why Givony doesn't even have Suggs in his top 10? Thanks.

Read on Twitter

Here’s the article if anyone’s interested

Spoiler:

Storylines to watch

• The race for the No. 1 pick is still fairly open right now, though not quite to the extent that it was in 2020.

Oklahoma State point guard Cade Cunningham is the early favorite, and he has a great chance to hold on to that spot due to the premium that NBA teams are putting on oversized playmakers who can defend multiple positions and carry significant shot-creation duties. Cunningham's ideal physical tools, outstanding feel for the game, pick-and-roll savvy and increasingly effective jump shot puts him in pole position, despite the fact that Oklahoma State will not be playing in the NCAA tournament.

Cunningham's main competition at this stage will come from the G League Ignite's Jalen Green and Kentucky's B.J. Boston. Green is perhaps the most explosive player in the class. He has fantastic scoring instincts in the open floor and is a capable shot-maker, passer and defender. How effectively NBA teams are able to scout him -- along with potential lottery pick teammates Jonathan Kuminga and Daishen Nix -- is one of the questions NBA teams have as the G League is still getting a handle on what its season will look like amid the pandemic.

Boston may be able to capitalize on that with a strong season playing in a more traditional setting at Kentucky, where he has already demonstrated impressive talent as a 6-7 guard with a 7-foot wingspan who can create shots for himself and others, pull up with deep range and defend all over the floor.

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• The rest of the lottery is composed of one-and-done freshmen and promising internationals.

USC's Evan Mobley spent much of his high school career in consideration for the No. 1 spot in recruiting rankings thanks to his dynamic combination of length, mobility, defensive versatility and offensive upside. How his 215-pound frame and modern skill level evolve will help determine how high he gets drafted, but there's quite a bit to like about his long-term potential.

NBA teams will have many flavors of wing prospects to choose from in the rest of the top-10 if our early projections are any indication. Stanford's Ziaire Williams has outstanding tools at 6-8 with budding ballhandling, passing, shot-making and defensive ability, but he is rail-thin and a late bloomer whose consistency fluctuated in high school. Duke's Jalen Johnson is physically ready at 6-9, 220 pounds, and perhaps the most unique prospect in the class skills-wise with his ambidextrous ballhandling and passing as well as outstanding defensive versatility. His jump shot will swing his ability to contend for No. 1 or slide to later in the lottery.

The dark horse of the group, at least relative to his No. 28 recruiting ranking, is Tennessee's Keon Johnson, who is garnering rave reviews from the Vols' coaching staff in the preseason. He has been projected in our lottery since an impressive showing at the USA Basketball minicamp in October 2019, but missed most of his senior year of high school with a knee injury. Johnson is an ultra-aggressive, explosive guard who plays with outstanding energy and activity, and his skill level seems to be catching up with his physical tools. His passing, shooting and ballhandling looked significantly improved prior to his injury. Likely to see time as a big playmaker who defends all over the floor, Johnson is another high-upside prospect who could make a run at the top five, similar to Isaac Okoro did.

FSU's Scottie Barnes dipped in our early projections, but he has rocketed back into the top 10. Film from his outstanding senior year of high school shows that he is perhaps the best defender in the class and also one of its best passers, Barnes doesn't jump off the page with his athleticism or shooting, but he brings real contributions to winning with his toughness and feel. He will likely be a polarizing prospect if his career 27% 3-point shooting and 67% free throw shooting don't show improvement in college.

Kuminga, one of the most gifted prospects physically at 6-8 with a 7-foot wingspan and a strong frame, had an up-and-down final season in high school due to injury, inconsistency and inefficiency. His skill, feel and intensity are still catching up with his tools. Still, he's a prototype for what the NBA looks for in a combo forward, as he's lethal in the open court, shoots off the dribble some and brings multi-positional versatility defensively.

• Are big men back? The results of the 2020 NBA draft -- in which 10 players who played primarily at center ended up being selected in the top 35 -- showed that teams aren't quite ready to fully usher in the small-ball era. The NBA playoffs seemed to remind executives of the value of big men, especially those with legitimate skill or game-changing defensive versatility, and that translated to draft.

Seventeen of the 60 players currently projected to be drafted can be categorized as big men, the exact same number of players who heard their name called in 2020.

Then Boston started playing for Kentucky and has been bad. The player (4 star prospect) that commented about not playing and removed from the team was likely pissed that Boston kept getting PT over him. Boston seems like Kelly Oubre Jr. at best.

[Psubs]

I'll put my two cents here... I think people are sleeping on Evan Mobley... he's insanely fluid and skilled, whenever I watch him I think superstar...

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