Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIX

[gambitx777]

Are we running out of decent options for a Brad trade? :

GS might be playing themselves out of being a trade partner. If they become late lotto, possibly even out of the lotto then you may end up with not getting the Wolves pick this summer because it lands in the top 3, a late lotto pick/non lotto GS pick, Wiggins' horrible contract, and Wiseman who I'm not sure about right now.

Pel's have a bunch of Lakers pick swaps, meh. Thought OKC had a horde but it's actually not great--they have a top 4 protected pick swap with Houston, their own first, a top 20 protected Warriors pick which probably doesn't convey, then a Nuggets first. So realistically a top 6 pick in the draft and a late Nuggets pick, if OKC even wanted to play ball.

Denver probably doesn't move MPJ for Beal.

At this point I don't even know if we could get Haliburton, a first, and filler for Brad.

Kelley obure, Jordan poole , james wiseman and the mini picks for this year and a pack of two or three future pics. Would be the option from GS and honestly I would probably take that trade. The money works and you can move kelly later at the dead line.

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[gambitx777]

But honestly people are talking about james harden like you can't trade him for just anything and I'm like beal ain't far behind harden so you gotta go big.

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[BobbyD10]

honestly I think Bonga is a PF in his league. 6'9, maybe even 6'10, 200ish pounds, not great footspeed, already a really impactful defender despite not having elite man defensive ability?

Someone other than the Wizards will figure this out, because we have **** management that will never change because Ted Leonsis doesn't give a **** about basketball

I think Bonga would have to get significantly stronger to play PF. Maybe against some lineups, but I think he would get overpowered a lot of the times.

[WallToWall]

I keep going back and forth on if this team is one where we should augment with players around Beal, or rebuild by trading Beal and other pieces away. All depends on how the team plays at any given moment. Many of our current woes are due to bad coaching and coaching decision. We should fix that first, but chances are we will not. Looks to me like management is gunning for 8th playoff spot, and so will keep the coach and Beal till it is obvious (too late possibly) that we will not make the final spot. As good as Beal is, I am slowly getting into the camp of trading him and other veterans.

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[nate33]

I keep going back and forth on if this team is one where we should augment with players around Beal, or rebuild by trading Beal and other pieces away. All depends on how the team plays at any given moment. Many of our current woes are due to bad coaching and coaching decision. We should fix that first, but chances are we will not. Looks to me like management is gunning for 8th playoff spot, and so will keep the coach and Beal till it is obvious (too late possibly) that we will not make the final spot. As good as Beal is, I am slowly getting into the camp of trading him and other veterans.

It all depends on what Beal wants.

Beal is really freaking good, still pretty young, and getting better every year. He's also a great character guy. The best option would be to convince him to stay and figure the rest out later.

If I was Tommy Sheppard, I'd have a conversation with Beal and his agent before the Trade Deadline this year. I'd say that it's obvious that this season is not going as well as planned and I recognize that it's frustrating for Beal. But I'd make it clear that we don't have the talent base to make a "quick fix" trade that makes us legitimate contenders. Our only option is a long term strategy of steadily getting better, which might even include tanking the remainder of this season by dumping Westbrook (if possible).

I'd tell Beal that we want him with the organization for his entire career. If he is willing to stick it out through the rebuild, I'd offer a full maximum extension right now. But I'd tell him that if he doesn't sign an extension, the organization would have to consider trading him because the one scenario they absolutely have to avoid is letting such a valuable asset depart for nothing.

If Beal signs the extension, then rebuild around him. If he won't, then we have to trade him, and his value would be highest prior to the Trade Deadline. The one problem is that I don't believe he can agree to extension until the 2nd anniversary of the signing of his last extension, which wouldn't be until October of 2021. One possible workaround is that Beal might be able to commit to opting in on his player option now, which would guarantee him here until Summer 2023.

[tontoz]

I like Beal but I am in the trade Beal camp now. We aren't going to win with him and his ball dominance is hindering the development of the younger players.

[nate33]

I like Beal but I am in the trade Beal camp now. We aren't going to win with him and his ball dominance is hindering the development of the younger players.

Dominating the ball with a .604 TS% and a 115 ORtg isn't hindering anything.

It's Westbrook's 12 missed FGA's and 5 turnovers each game that need to be redirected.

[Shoe]

Can anyone actually see Beal asking for a trade before the deadline? It seems like such a power play where you potentially offend teammates or other people in the building. The guy is leading the league in scoring, and I'm not buying the noble "he'd rather win averaging 5 ppg". Winning the scoring title is a huge deal and everyone's who's done it is a HOFer or future HOFer.

So that would leave Sheppard to be the one to initiate a trade and I don't see it when we're in contention for a play in game. The win or go home format will garner national attention. "once you're in the tournament anything can happen" - I believe is the Ted quote.

[pcbothwel]

I like Beal but I am in the trade Beal camp now. We aren't going to win with him and his ball dominance is hindering the development of the younger players.

I could see this without context. But I think Beal only does what he feels he needs to do. Brooks and Russ are trash. He thinks some of the youngs guys are talented, but simply not good/mature enough to thrive under Brooks.

We need to fire Brooks immediately and make Russ play the Simmons/Butler role.

I also think that we need a real premium asset for Beal, and I just dont see one available.
GSW looks good on paper, but there is real risk that with Beal they make the playoffs and the Minny pick is top 6 and therefore protected another year. I would be willing to make the trade, but only if the value of those picks is accurately assumed to be a late teens/early 20's 1st and a pick in the 6-10 range in 2022. Thats just not enough for me, but as long as we dont take on Wiggins than there is some possibility. The only issue is Wiggins is somewhat needed for salary purposes.

[tontoz]

I like Beal but I am in the trade Beal camp now. We aren't going to win with him and his ball dominance is hindering the development of the younger players.

Dominating the ball with a .604 TS% and a 115 ORtg isn't hindering anything.

It's Westbrook's 12 missed FGA's and 5 turnovers each game that need to be redirected.

Sure he is scoring efficiently but taking 25 shots per game does mean fewer touches from the young guys. A lot of his shots come without anyone else touching the ball.

Westbrook has been garbage but that is a separate issue. I have to wonder if he has a chronic problem with his knee. No lift.

[WallToWall]

I like Beal but I am in the trade Beal camp now. We aren't going to win with him and his ball dominance is hindering the development of the younger players.

Dominating the ball with a .604 TS% and a 115 ORtg isn't hindering anything.

It's Westbrook's 12 missed FGA's and 5 turnovers each game that need to be redirected.

Sure he is scoring efficiently but taking 25 shots per game does mean fewer touches from the young guys. A lot of his shots come without anyone else touching the ball.

Westbrook has been garbage but that is a separate issue. I have to wonder if he has a chronic problem with his knee. No lift.

Its all those jumpers he takes that is the problem. He is most effective when he drives to the basket. If he starts taking too many J's then the coach should yank him and give him a breather.

[Dat2U]

I like Beal but I am in the trade Beal camp now. We aren't going to win with him and his ball dominance is hindering the development of the younger players.

Dominating the ball with a .604 TS% and a 115 ORtg isn't hindering anything.

It's Westbrook's 12 missed FGA's and 5 turnovers each game that need to be redirected.

Sure he is scoring efficiently but taking 25 shots per game does mean fewer touches from the young guys. A lot of his shots come without anyone else touching the ball.

Westbrook has been garbage but that is a separate issue. I have to wonder if he has a chronic problem with his knee. No lift.

I dont mean no harm but f*** the young guys. What Beal is doing is elite. He is the best two guard on the earth outside of James Harden and he is early in his prime. Beal taking 25 shots is not a problem when he's leading the league in scoring with a TS% over .600. That's HOF-level. But we want him to sacrifice shots to develop future role players?

[tontoz]

Dominating the ball with a .604 TS% and a 115 ORtg isn't hindering anything.

It's Westbrook's 12 missed FGA's and 5 turnovers each game that need to be redirected.

Sure he is scoring efficiently but taking 25 shots per game does mean fewer touches from the young guys. A lot of his shots come without anyone else touching the ball.

Westbrook has been garbage but that is a separate issue. I have to wonder if he has a chronic problem with his knee. No lift.

I dont mean no harm but f*** the young guys. What Beal is doing is elite. He is the best two guard on the earth outside of James Harden and he is early in his prime. Beal taking 25 shots is not a problem when he's leading the league in scoring with a TS% over .600. That's HOF-level. But we want him to sacrifice shots to develop future role players?

I am not asking him to do anything. We are still losing even with him going off.

If the goal is to win, and we can't do it even with Beal lighting it up, then how do we become a winner?

Fire Brooks sure but is changing coaches really enough to become a winner?

[tontoz]

Its all those jumpers he takes that is the problem. He is most effective when he drives to the basket. If he starts taking too many J's then the coach should yank him and give him a breather.

He has been taking those jumpers his whole career. He is unlikely to stop now, especially lacking the lift that used to allow him to finish effectively.

[DCZards]

Dominating the ball with a .604 TS% and a 115 ORtg isn't hindering anything.

It's Westbrook's 12 missed FGA's and 5 turnovers each game that need to be redirected.

Sure he is scoring efficiently but taking 25 shots per game does mean fewer touches from the young guys. A lot of his shots come without anyone else touching the ball.

Westbrook has been garbage but that is a separate issue. I have to wonder if he has a chronic problem with his knee. No lift.

I dont mean no harm but f*** the young guys. What Beal is doing is elite. He is the best two guard on the earth outside of James Harden and he is early in his prime. Beal taking 25 shots is not a problem when he's leading the league in scoring with a TS% over .600. That's HOF-level. But we want him to sacrifice shots to develop future role players?

[Frichuela]

Need to be realistic.

First, they need to fire Brooks right now and get a proper replacement who can coach and turn around the ship pronto. There are quick line-up fixes that have been discussed here ad nauseam, particularly around Westbrook that would help. But this may not be enough and installing the right concepts on the players will take time.

Which leads me to the nuclear option. Ted/Tommy have to start seriously considering trading Beal by the deadline when we are likely to get the max possible value. And, since this is the trade thread, IMO the two best (and more realistic) options are:
A) Miami, where we get a package of Herro, Achiuwa and Robinson plus 2 first round picks. The first pick is from Miami (2025) and the second is by trading Robinson to a 3 party for an ideally 2021 top 14 pick (would the Warriors be interested? Or Sacramento? Or OKC? Maybe the Pelicans or Orlando?).
Why would Miami do it? Butler’s (and Dragic) window is closing and a Dragic/Beal/Butler/Bam group has better odds to be in the finals and challenge for the title.

B) Warriors. Two possible packages here. 1) We trade Beal+Bryant and get Wiseman, Wiggins (needed as salary filer), MIN 2021 (top 3 prot), GS 2021 and another pick (GS 2026?). 2) and preferably, we trade Beal+Wagner and get Wiseman, Oubre and the same 3 first round picks (or at least MIN 2021 + one from GS).
Why would the Warriors do it? Well, a Beal/Curry/Draymond core should be enough to be competitive in the playoffs this season and the addition of Klay next season should make them again a force in the West.

Both trade scenarios should ideally require tanking this season for the best possible pick, which may entail playing Westbrook a lot

[gambitx777]

I've laid out my idea for a beal to GS trade. I don't think you include bryant and I wouldn't take wiggins . I would take oubre, poole and wiseman and probably 4 firsts and some seconds the mini picks in 2021 and 2-3 futures from GS probably say 25,27,29 or 26,28,30 or something sooner if they are allowed idk it can be worked out. I think that's one of the better offers you get if you do that trade you cuz lopez obviously. Then you move to tray and trade ish bertains, russ and maybe bryant else where.

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[Dat2U]

James Wiseman is cool. Not a guy that I'd look around the league and say "OMG, that kid's got next!" I don't see the skill/polish to be an elite offensive C so your talking about a rim runner with some ability to step out. I feel like there's some recency bias with Wiseman because of how available the pick was right before the last draft. Defense seems to be an issue with him too. Trading an elite wing for a young rim running big seems VERY old school in a new school era. I'd much much rather have top 3 pick in 2021 + additional assets vs Wiseman and additional assets. Give me a young stud wing or guard for Beal vs a rim runner with upside. The young rim runner with upside is easier to find.

[payitforward]

I like Beal but I am in the trade Beal camp now. We aren't going to win with him and his ball dominance is hindering the development of the younger players.

Dominating the ball with a .604 TS% and a 115 ORtg isn't hindering anything.

It's Westbrook's 12 missed FGA's and 5 turnovers each game that need to be redirected.

If we traded Wall for Westbrook in order to please Brad (I'm not saying we did), & if Brad wants a trade b/c we're losing, then -- given how bad Westbrook is playing & that he is a major part of why we're losing -- then...

...we'll wind up having lost both Wall & Beal, b/c they couldn't get along!

[Dark Faze]

I've laid out my idea for a beal to GS trade. I don't think you include bryant and I wouldn't take wiggins . I would take oubre, poole and wiseman and probably 4 firsts and some seconds the mini picks in 2021 and 2-3 futures from GS probably say 25,27,29 or 26,28,30 or something sooner if they are allowed idk it can be worked out. I think that's one of the better offers you get if you do that trade you cuz lopez obviously. Then you move to tray and trade ish bertains, russ and maybe bryant else where.

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man that'd be some serious lux tax issues, they'd have no way to get rid of wiggins without picks to attach