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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath (Part 2) 

Post#1341 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:06 am

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Read the thread. Anything you could possibly consider a viable American identity premised on freedom and tolerance is endangered. The moral standards of a good segment of the population has degraded to the point of no return.

There is no philsophical golden mean for those who can so easily descend into mob consciousness and be swept away with the passions of the moment. You do not blithely encourage stringing up your enemies because they defeated you in a fair democratic election if you believe in the golden mean of fair play.

This is savagery. It is strictly do unto others because they resent being denied something they have not earned. People with honor accept their losses with dignity. There is no dignity left among Trumpers and pretty much the whole of the GOP it appears.

The only appropriate response is to clear the bureaucracy of these traitors and purge the Nazis from any role in law enforcement.


But Joe doesn't want this to screw up his saving the soul of America. :lol: Look, I agree with your post. We need to confront these people head on. Yes, we should work with republicans but who are the ones worth working with? To me, they only ones are those willing to work with us. On what issues would you want to work with them on? Finishing Trump's wall? More tax cuts for the rich? Increasing military spending? More subsidies for oil and fossil fuel companies?
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath (Part 2) 

Post#1342 » by WargamesX » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:06 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:So Biden isn’t able to get the Iranians to agree to a nuclear arms deal? What happened to saving the soul of the world?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55177586


It’s not an outright no. It sounds like they probably want us to throw in something (probably money :nonono: ) for them to rejoin the deal and if it is just money we’ll probably ask for a long term payment since we have our own issues with money.

Keep in mind we do not need iran with nuclear weapons similar to how we really didn’t need NK with nuclear weapons. So I see the US blinking..... deep down we all know the US the ones who broke the deal so the onus will be on the US to restore it.

Biden needs to be careful with this negotiations too until he is sworn in but that is another conversation.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath (Part 2) 

Post#1343 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:08 am

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HarthorneWingo wrote:So Biden isn’t able to get the Iranians to agree to a nuclear arms deal? What happened to saving the soul of the world?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55177586


Give it some time HW


If you were the chief negotiator for Iran, would you enter into an agreement with us?
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath (Part 2) 

Post#1345 » by WargamesX » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:10 am

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HarthorneWingo wrote:So Biden isn’t able to get the Iranians to agree to a nuclear arms deal? What happened to saving the soul of the world?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55177586


Give it some time HW


If you were the chief negotiator for Iran, would you enter into an agreement with us?


Yes that embargo plus COVID probably got them **** up bad. They just need to make a show of the great satan kissing the ring (aka money). That once again we backed out the deal so we’ll probably agree.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath (Part 2) 

Post#1346 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:12 am

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HarthorneWingo wrote:So Biden isn’t able to get the Iranians to agree to a nuclear arms deal? What happened to saving the soul of the world?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55177586


It’s not an outright no. It sounds like they probably want us to throw in something (probably money :nonono: ) for them to rejoin the deal and if it is just money we’ll probably ask for a long term payment since we have our own issues with money.

Keep in mind we do not need iran with nuclear weapons similar to how we really didn’t need NK with nuclear weapons. So I see the US blinking..... deep down we all know the US the ones who broke the deal so the onus will be on the US to restore it.

Biden needs to be careful with this negotiations too until he is sworn in but that is another conversation.


We are not a trustworthy negotiating partner. There will have be big changes to the deal in order to ensure that we don't reneg again. I'm not sure one can get done. Especially with Israel flexing it's muscles and assassinating that Iranian official recently. And Biden isn't even sticking around past one-term, so why should Iran take him seriously?
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Post#1348 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:16 am

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He's no genius. You and I knew all that back then
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Post#1349 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:27 am

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He's no genius. You and I knew all that back then


Trump's ghostwriter (forget his name) was also issuing warnings say Trump would never leave peacefully after one term.

Michael Cohen was quite vocal about it earlier this year. He said he'd do anything to hold on to power.

I never focused on physical revolt since it seemed too ludicrous to think it would work. I mean it is ludicrous. Trump is a dummy and he never thinks things through anyway, so I don't know if he really thought he could send a horde of vandals in to slaughter Pence and Pelosi and he'd be made emperor as a result.

If anything, Trump is really lucky none of the mob got their hands on the politicians, because if they had they'd be dead, Trump would not be emperor, but there'd be a chorus calling for the death penalty.

But he was going to try anything, that much is clear.

Again, thank god he is surrounded by idiots and had idiot lawyers, because the real danger was if they could overturn the election via the courts. But once we saw the integrity of the voting process held up and Biden's margins, it would have taken pure genius to overturn the election and that is in short supply in MAGAland.

Even with the marauders inside the Capitol building I wasn't actually fearful of Trump succeeding. I was more wrapped up in the drama of it, because of course it was horrifying.

Every step of the way, Trump's attempts to overthrow Democracy have been hamfisted and stupid, but there is no doubt it was coordinated and he had thousands of willing collaborators both inside and outside the government and law enforcement.

I'd like to say the silver lining is America's problems are so stark that they can't hide them away now, but we'll see how it is handled, because there is no sweeping of this under the rug and carrying on like it was just a bump in the road. If there are no consequences, this country is already effectively over.
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Post#1350 » by robillionaire » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:31 am

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Read the thread. Anything you could possibly consider a viable American identity premised on freedom and tolerance is endangered. The moral standards of a good segment of the population has degraded to the point of no return.

There is no philsophical golden mean for those who can so easily descend into mob consciousness and be swept away with the passions of the moment. You do not blithely encourage stringing up your enemies because they defeated you in a fair democratic election if you believe in the golden mean of fair play.

This is savagery. It is strictly do unto others because they resent being denied something they have not earned. People with honor accept their losses with dignity. There is no dignity left among Trumpers and pretty much the whole of the GOP it appears.

The only appropriate response is to clear the bureaucracy of these traitors and purge the Nazis from any role in law enforcement.


But Joe doesn't want this to screw up his saving the soul of America. :lol: Look, I agree with your post. We need to confront these people head on. Yes, we should work with republicans but who are the ones worth working with? To me, they only ones are those willing to work with us. On what issues would you want to work with them on? Finishing Trump's wall? More tax cuts for the rich? Increasing military spending? More subsidies for oil and fossil fuel companies?


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Post#1351 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:51 am

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Read the thread. Anything you could possibly consider a viable American identity premised on freedom and tolerance is endangered. The moral standards of a good segment of the population has degraded to the point of no return.

There is no philsophical golden mean for those who can so easily descend into mob consciousness and be swept away with the passions of the moment. You do not blithely encourage stringing up your enemies because they defeated you in a fair democratic election if you believe in the golden mean of fair play.

This is savagery. It is strictly do unto others because they resent being denied something they have not earned. People with honor accept their losses with dignity. There is no dignity left among Trumpers and pretty much the whole of the GOP it appears.

The only appropriate response is to clear the bureaucracy of these traitors and purge the Nazis from any role in law enforcement.


But Joe doesn't want this to screw up his saving the soul of America. :lol: Look, I agree with your post. We need to confront these people head on. Yes, we should work with republicans but who are the ones worth working with? To me, they only ones are those willing to work with us. On what issues would you want to work with them on? Finishing Trump's wall? More tax cuts for the rich? Increasing military spending? More subsidies for oil and fossil fuel companies?


I don't believe there are very many Republicans you can work with. And there is zero chance Biden believes that either. Just because he embraces certain ceremonial aspects of acting conciliatory does not mean you should take everything he says literally. If he was that literal-minded he wouldn't have had a long career in the game.

However, the extremity of the circumstances does mean there will be some Republicans who are going to be more likely to cooperate on certain matters now. But we'll see how genuine someone like Murkowski is. If she is not FOS for once then even one Senator caucusing part-time with the Dems is helpful.

Again, Biden is going to play most situations using the walk softly and carry a big stick axiom. And he should. He has walked a delicate balance of not drawing extra attention to himself while letting Trump and MAGA set itself on fire. He is not to blame for any of this anyway, so wanting him to spew fire and brimstone only satisfies OUR anger, but doesn't service the situation. What he needs to do is be a complete MF when it comes to empowering the DoJ and FBI to clean up this traitor and Nazi mess. And he can ONLY accomplish that by appearing as objective as possible. Sure, he condemned the events and demanded accountability, but he really needs to use his powers to use the system, not invest his energy in being a counter-reactionary bully pulpit president.

Biden's fairly conventional personality is actually a good asset right now. I know some people may not like to hear it, but he's kind of vanilla and that's not a bad thing right now as long as he is fighting for racial equality. What matters is if he lets his appeals to understand be the surface, but underneath he gets busy and holds no quarter. I don't think for a second he believes the GOP is salvageable and I do think he knows the Dems need to consolidate power to save the country. We'll see if his functionaries take action. That's the real story, not his oratory.

The RNC re-elected Ronna McDaniel. She's a super creep and is still pumping for Trump even after a coup attempt. So if that is going to be the GOP's stance as a party they will destroy themselves. Biden is not going to try to save them. He's going to try to give them as few targets to fixate on as possible so they can cannibalize themselves while the Dems outmanuveur them as much as possible. I repeat, Biden is savvy enough to not create new memes for the crazies to focus on. Let him bore you. It is a good strategy.

If the Dems figure out how to rewrite the parliamentary rules governing the filibuster and effectively neutralize it until they have a supermajority and can kill it entirely, then you'll know they came to accomplish and kick ass.

You need to show more patience and stop yellilng about what a loser everyone is. It is not helpful. These are devastating times and there is only one good side to support right now and it is and will remain the Democrats. So far they are competing. Abrams helped them score GA and they might actually be able to get something done.
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Post#1353 » by dakomish23 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:02 am

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Post#1354 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:22 am

It takes a 2/3 vote to convict and remove from office, but then only a simple majority for the additional sanction of being barred from holding political office in the future.

https://www.vox.com/22220495/impeachment-trump-2024-election-bar-from-office
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HarthorneWingo wrote:It takes a 2/3 vote to convict and remove from office, but then only a simple majority for the additional sanction of being barred from holding political office in the future.

https://www.vox.com/22220495/impeachment-trump-2024-election-bar-from-office


It seems that permanent barring from future office is the main benefit of impeachment over the 25th
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I looked at that thread and something doesn't smell right about this. Amazon is literally Trump's enemy. There has to be more to this than meets the eye. Perhaps there was some form of obsfucation about the purposes of the donations that could have gotten major corporate donors to be reeled in. I think there is a big lie tucked in there somewhere, so reporting just a list is not enough to unpack this story.
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Post#1358 » by Knicksfan20 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:52 am

Doesn’t matter who is president. They don’t call the shots. Everything you are witnessing now is apart of an act/movie. They are playing you guys and have been for hundreds of years.

You think Joe is better then Trump? They are the same. You think Obama was any better? Or Clinton or Bush? They are all the same. All evil people who are just puppets to the real people who call the shots.
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Post#1359 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:30 am

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I looked at that thread and something doesn't smell right about this. Amazon is literally Trump's enemy. There has to be more to this than meets the eye. Perhaps there was some form of obsfucation about the purposes of the donations that could have gotten major corporate donors to be reeled in. I think there is a big lie tucked in there somewhere, so reporting just a list is not enough to unpack this story.


I dunno. I guess we'll have to wait to get more info.
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