Knicks- Hornets PG

[2010]

In a vacuum I agre le with you but the draft is supposed to be drafting for the next decade, not the next year. Free agency is for needs. It’s clear their move for a point guard was moving up a few spots for IQ.

IQ is not the type of PG who can be a floor leader and an engine for a team. He's a combo guard.

There just aren’t many point guards or true playmakers available. They’re the most rare player type in the league, the unique talent who can make others better. After this little evaluation period Thibs and Rose referred to it’ll be on Rose and Perry to find a good deal.

LaMelo and Haliburton were attainable tho. But CAA...

[NoDopeOnSundays]

trade Randle for picks and prospects - can't have him messing up our tank. And keep playing Elf and RJ heavy mins. Maybe RJ will turn it around and Elf is a f'ing loser who will ensure we have a shtty record.

team tank

I want to trade Randle, but I honestly just don't see a taker for him yet, and definitely not for picks. Maybe the Wolves? There's just not that many teams that need a player like him, although he probably could work next to Towns.

[Fat]

I think Randle is definitely getting traded soon good players can't stay here Dolan hates talent.

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Knicks need to figure something out Randle passing to bricking perimeter players in Barret and Payton ain’t it.

Nor is barret driving into packed paints and forcing shots and I’m not saying rj by any means should have the ball in his hands for whole possessions because he has to much of a scoring mentality but at least have better open lanes for rj to succeed.

Knicks need to

A- make a trade for a quality perimeter player that is reliable from outside and can give Randle more help And have barret come off the bench As the go to guy

Or

B- trade Randle get whatever value you can for him and develop toppin into the starting power forward And focus more on the kids

[mpharris36]

IQ is not the type of PG who can be a floor leader and an engine for a team. He's a combo guard.

There just aren’t many point guards or true playmakers available. They’re the most rare player type in the league, the unique talent who can make others better. After this little evaluation period Thibs and Rose referred to it’ll be on Rose and Perry to find a good deal.

LaMelo and Haliburton were attainable tho. But CAA...

whats bad is Haliburton was CAA and we still passed on him.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

There just aren’t many point guards or true playmakers available. They’re the most rare player type in the league, the unique talent who can make others better. After this little evaluation period Thibs and Rose referred to it’ll be on Rose and Perry to find a good deal.

LaMelo and Haliburton were attainable tho. But CAA...

whats bad is Haliburton was CAA and we still passed on him.

[MeloNY]

Everything with the vibe of the team changed that game where we rode Elf and played him 41 mins to get a cheap win. That game really got in Brickley’s head with the 5 min stint and subsequent benching. It likely burned out the starters too. We haven’t played hard consistently since. They got dead legs.

I know Elf is a problem for many of you but are we really blaming him for IQ's issues? That's a serious stretch!

[thebuzzardman]

Knox struggles to put together a full game of offensive success. he always has a good half then disappears.

He’s got the talent but he doesn’t have the brain he’s such a simple player.

Simple Knox

[Worst_to_First]

trade Randle for picks and prospects - can't have him messing up our tank. And keep playing Elf and RJ heavy mins. Maybe RJ will turn it around and Elf is a f'ing loser who will ensure we have a shtty record.

team tank

I want to trade Randle, but I honestly just don't see a taker for him yet, and definitely not for picks. Maybe the Wolves? There's just not that many teams that need a player like him, although he probably could work next to Towns.

Draymond loves Julius just saying. Will take some young player the Dubs have that they only play 15-20 minutes a game since Kerr remains comfortable with small ball. Will even take Kelly Oubrick off their hands lol.

[DaGawd]

trade Randle for picks and prospects - can't have him messing up our tank. And keep playing Elf and RJ heavy mins. Maybe RJ will turn it around and Elf is a f'ing loser who will ensure we have a shtty record.

team tank

I want to trade Randle, but I honestly just don't see a taker for him yet, and definitely not for picks. Maybe the Wolves? There's just not that many teams that need a player like him, although he probably could work next to Towns.

Draymond loves Julius just saying. Will take some young player the Dubs have that they only play 15-20 minutes a game since Kerr remains comfortable with small ball. Will even take Kelly Oubrick off their hands lol.

Tf we want with another **** shooter like Oubre??

[mpharris36]

haliburton just banged 2 3's right out of the gate off the bench

[HEZI]

There just aren’t many point guards or true playmakers available. They’re the most rare player type in the league, the unique talent who can make others better. After this little evaluation period Thibs and Rose referred to it’ll be on Rose and Perry to find a good deal.

LaMelo and Haliburton were attainable tho. But CAA...

whats bad is Haliburton was CAA and we still passed on him.

Frank put fear into folks now thinking any player with his build at the PG spot is the next Frank. But Haliburton is so much better. Haliburton was definitely undervalued, on this board and by some front offices as well because he fell too low than he should have.

[justin12140]

Couple of thoughts:

• Thibs is going to burn our guys out. The starters are tired. Guys that are league leaders in MPG are playing in the garbage time of blow outs. I get Thinbs doesn't trust the end of bench guys, (Iggy, Pinson, DSJ, Harper), but he needs to lean on them in 2 - 3 minute segments. Hopefully the starters can get longer rests when Burks, Frank, and Toppin get back

• Despite what everyone is saying, RJ absolutely has to take those wide open 3s. If the other guys on the floor are going to spend 15 - 20 seconds tilting the defense getting him a wide open shot, he has to take that every time. I know it looks rough because of his shooting slump, but its the right play. For a team in our position, process > results.

• Talking about RJ, we have got to get the kid in better spaced lineups. Our starting lineup is constructed of 4 guys who all primarily score at the rim. The way that lineup is made, the ball is going to constantly find RJ as the outlet for Payton & Randle drives. I think he plays better with the bench guys anyways. Just like last year our bench has much better spacing than our starters.

• IQ has to stop standing 5 feet behind the 3 point line. When he catches the ball out there, he's to far to blow by his guy and he's clearly not strong enough to shoot from that distance. He's constantly caught in that no mans land. Also, he needs to be ready to shoot instantly when he catches it. For a guy with a reputation as a shooter, he's pretty gun shy about launching it. IDK if he's trying to balance scoring / playmaking, but he's gotta shoot those instantly. Thats why you made it to the league

• When everyone is healthy, Thibs has to really shake up the lineups. We aren't getting shooting from the 4/5 spot anytime soon so he needs to get IQ, Burks, Frank, Rivers, RJ, Knox pretty much all the mins are the 1/2/3. I don't think our team really needs Elf's interior scoring and his playmaking isn't bringing that much to me. Bullock has just been really inconsistent for a shooter. Reminds me of Ellington last season where he's either super hot or ice cold

[HarthorneWingo]

These games are so much better when you just look for the positives with the kids

LaMelo would have been nice though

True, unfortunately the kids suck

Quickley needs some time though, I see the potential but I also see why he was selected in the second round.

Quickley is a scrub. Like all the knick youth, minus Mitch, who isn't that great either

We should’ve drafted Haliburton and RJ is a scrub. All these kids here who follow high school ball fell in love with him because he dominated in Canada.

[K_ick_God]

Keep grinding, I have faith in RJ.

Season may have some positives but I don’t see Randle as worth it. Trade him.

Quickley can play and will get it together.

Get rid of Elf and play Frank.

Go back to D.

Knox making strides. A team built around Randle is not what we need. He’s not very good.

Mitch and others seem tired. Not overly concerned but should be a refocus on seeing what RJ can do. He makes good decisions, his shot will come, he plays less selfishly with more leash and doesn’t make the mistakes Randle will always make.

[Synciere]

IQ is not the type of PG who can be a floor leader and an engine for a team. He's a combo guard.

There just aren’t many point guards or true playmakers available. They’re the most rare player type in the league, the unique talent who can make others better. After this little evaluation period Thibs and Rose referred to it’ll be on Rose and Perry to find a good deal.

LaMelo and Haliburton were attainable tho. But CAA...

LaMelo wasn’t attainable. There were teams who which wanted to trade up to 3 for Patrick Williams and Charlotte wouldn’t budge. It takes two to make a trade.

Halliburton certainly was, but again, if you think Obi is going to be the better player long term then that’s the right pick. Halliburton has looked good in spurts though. I’ve seen three of the Kings’ games and he’s high efficiency and makes the right basketball play. Essentially the opposite of RJ right now. I wanted Halliburton or Avdija in the draft as I thought we needed shooters and playmakers and they seemed like the right mix of both.

I don’t think any of us really expected a finished product this year, especially with free agency being as sparse as it was. We’re still in a good spot; we still have a lot of money and multiple picks in a strong draft to address these issues.

[Worst_to_First]

I want to trade Randle, but I honestly just don't see a taker for him yet, and definitely not for picks. Maybe the Wolves? There's just not that many teams that need a player like him, although he probably could work next to Towns.

Draymond loves Julius just saying. Will take some young player the Dubs have that they only play 15-20 minutes a game since Kerr remains comfortable with small ball. Will even take Kelly Oubrick off their hands lol.

Tf we want with another **** shooter like Oubre??

Expiring contract to match salaries but never mind lol.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I think Randle is definitely getting traded soon good players can't stay here Dolan hates talent.

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Knicks need to figure something out Randle passing to bricking perimeter players in Barret and Payton ain’t it.

Nor is barret driving into packed paints and forcing shots and I’m not saying rj by any means should have the ball in his hands for whole possessions because he has to much of a scoring mentality but at least have better open lanes for rj to succeed.

Knicks need to

A- make a trade for a quality perimeter player that is reliable from outside and can give Randle more help And have barret come off the bench As the go to guy

Or

B- trade Randle get whatever value you can for him and develop toppin into the starting power forward And focus more on the kids

They could also start Obi and have Randle come off the bench, I don't want Obi to be just a 3 point shooter but the fact is he'll space the floor and cut in from the corner.

Look at how PJ Washington was used in the starting 5, that is how most PF's play now. Who has a better chance of emulating that style, Obi or Randle? Who can get their numbers regardless of who they are playing with, Randle, so why does he need to start?

[3toheadmelo]

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[DOT]

I think Randle is definitely getting traded soon good players can't stay here Dolan hates talent.

Sent from my HD1905 using Tapatalk

Knicks need to figure something out Randle passing to bricking perimeter players in Barret and Payton ain’t it.

Nor is barret driving into packed paints and forcing shots and I’m not saying rj by any means should have the ball in his hands for whole possessions because he has to much of a scoring mentality but at least have better open lanes for rj to succeed.

Knicks need to

A- make a trade for a quality perimeter player that is reliable from outside and can give Randle more help And have barret come off the bench As the go to guy

Or

B- trade Randle get whatever value you can for him and develop toppin into the starting power forward And focus more on the kids

They could also start Obi and have Randle come off the bench, I don't want Obi to be just a 3 point shooter but the fact is he'll space the floor and cut in from the corner.

Look at how PJ Washington was used in the starting 5, that is how most PF's play now. Who has a better chance of emulating that style, Obi or Randle? Who can get their numbers regardless of who they are playing with, Randle, so why does he need to start?

We can't start Obi yet!

He's much too young and raw for that

You ruin projects like him by starting them too early. Better to let him develop on the bench for a couple years first, seeing as he was drafted to be good in 4 years, not right away.

[2010]

There just aren’t many point guards or true playmakers available. They’re the most rare player type in the league, the unique talent who can make others better. After this little evaluation period Thibs and Rose referred to it’ll be on Rose and Perry to find a good deal.

LaMelo and Haliburton were attainable tho. But CAA...

LaMelo wasn’t attainable. There were teams who which wanted to trade up to 3 for Patrick Williams and Charlotte wouldn’t budge. It takes two to make a trade.

Halliburton certainly was, but again, if you think Obi is going to be the better player long term then that’s the right pick. Halliburton has looked good in spurts though. I’ve seen three of the Kings’ games and he’s high efficiency and makes the right basketball play. Essentially the opposite of RJ right now. I wanted Halliburton or Avdija in the draft as I thought we needed shooters and playmakers and they seemed like the right mix of both.

I don’t think any of us really expected a finished product this year, especially with free agency being as sparse as it was. We’re still in a good spot; we still have a lot of money and multiple picks in a strong draft to address these issues.

Knicks were in talks to get as high as #2 from the Lakers. LaMelo was attainable if the Knicks really wanted him.