Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team"

MagicFan101 · Post #1961 » by **MagicFan101** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:29 am

j-ragg wrote:This is the last year of Cliff’s contract right? Does anyone doubt they’d extend him if it’s still WeltHam in charge?

No. He signed a 4 year deal. This is his 3rd season with us. Next year will be the last of his deal.

RookieStar · Post #1962 » by **RookieStar** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:10 am

So Bogdan is out for ATL... isnt he their SG? How about Evan for one of their wings like Cam? Lol

pepe1991 · Post #1963 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:48 am

RookieStar wrote:So Bogdan is out for ATL... isnt he their SG? How about Evan for one of their wings like Cam? Lol

They can't take that much salary.

Reddish is still trash,i don't think there was any younger player in my life that got on my nerves more than Cam.
There is no objective reason why Cam isn't elite 3 and D guy, non. Yet look at this trash this year:

11 ppg
34,7% FG
29% for 3
1,3 assist- 1,7 turnovers
2,8 fouls

-4,3 BPM ( because of epic -3,9 offensive box plus minus).

Guy has great frame, athletic, fluid, his shot isn't broken, from time to time he looks like future star, than for next 10 games he is Mario Hezonja :banghead:

Atlanta will probably just start Huerter at SG, Rondo and Dunn will be backup PGs, once they are healthy.

pepe1991 · Post #1964 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:55 am

Pretty much every critique of Clifford is " he doesn't give young players chance to shine"

Than Fultz out of thin air is Magic leading player in usage rate,and over 7 games he sucks, crushes and burns, ends up with ACL tear ( accident, but still, he was terrible in 7 games ).
Than Clifford, who "hates playing young players" starts Cole, and now Cole is unwatchable and unplayable. And it's still somehow Clifford's fault that he is not playing young players more? :rofl:

Maybe they simply are not as good as you think?

Our coach is fine, he is one of better in NBA. People forget that guys like Walton, Brooks,Gentry,Borrego, Lue, Stotts and Vogel are still coaching in nba today. Frank Vogel is nba champion now.

Coaches and blaming on coaching is easly most annoying and missleading thing fans do.
NIck Nurse was rookie championship coach. Now his team has 2-7 record and they flat out suck. So he forgot to coach offense or maybeeeee just maybeeee team without Gasol, Ibaka and freaking Kawhi Leonard isn't that good?

How about Steve Kerr. 3 times nba champion. Runned team to worst record in team's history, 15-50. Once again, forgot to coach, or injuries?

NBA is talent driven league. Coaches are nothing but people who stroke star's egos. Almost every year most talented team wins whole thing. Regardless of coaching

KillMonger · Post #1965 » by **KillMonger** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:08 am

i can easily pick that apart but i said what i needed to so at this point it is what it is

jonbob17 · Post #1966 » by **jonbob17** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:49 pm

The Magic's Box score Plus Minus (BPM) right now are incredible. Vuc at an out of this world 8.9 (2nd in the league), and then some of the worst in the league for Fultz, Cole, Ennis, Bacon, MCW, and Clark.
We are really a party of one.
I will say Birch's numbers are impressive thus far, surprised to see him as a positive on offense. Still think the minutes should be going to Bamba.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ORL/2021.html

The Effect · Post #1967 » by **The Effect** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:13 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
thelead wrote:Stop it. And get what back? I'd rather play him and actually see what he can do when given minutes.

Trading him for 2nd rd picks is the alternative. No thanks. We don't use those anyway.

He will make over 7,5M next year so you are cutting bad salary.
I'm not really invested into notion of trading him for second round picks, but should be part of bigger trade? No doubt. He is soon to be 23 years old and looks to be years away from being 20-25 min solid rotation peace. I'm not wasting my future cap for poor man's Javale McGee.

Mo Bamba for Malik Monk is a deal I have seen both on this board and in general trade suggestion articles by Bleacher Report and more.

This deal offers us guard depth and Monk is an expiring deal while Bamba has an extra year left.

However ... if Monk should prove valuable we might have to resign him for more years and / or more $$ than Bamba.

... I’m not really a fan of this deal but it’s worth discussing given how things are playing out.

I'm sure reuniting monk and Clifford is a great idea

thelead · Post #1968 » by **thelead** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:56 pm

This team is so bad that we no longer need to trade Vuc. In fact, even I wouldn’t trade him unless I could get back a very promising young player back. We’re going to be a bottom 8 team. Hopefully the the ping pong balls will be kind to us this time.

RookieStar · Post #1969 » by **RookieStar** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:24 pm

thelead wrote:This team is so bad that we no longer need to trade Vuc. In fact, even I wouldn’t trade him unless I could get back a very promising young player back. We’re going to be a bottom 8 team. Hopefully the the ping pong balls will be kind to us this time.

Imagine Cade with Vuc...

jonbob17 · Post #1970 » by **jonbob17** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:47 pm

thelead wrote:This team is so bad that we no longer need to trade Vuc. In fact, even I wouldn’t trade him unless I could get back a very promising young player back. We’re going to be a bottom 8 team. Hopefully the the ping pong balls will be kind to us this time.

Still wouldn’t hurt to rest Vuc more often in the hopes of elongating his prime years a little. That’s a thing right?

Skybox · Post #1971 » by **Skybox** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:13 pm

jonbob17 wrote:
thelead wrote:This team is so bad that we no longer need to trade Vuc. In fact, even I wouldn’t trade him unless I could get back a very promising young player back. We’re going to be a bottom 8 team. Hopefully the the ping pong balls will be kind to us this time.

Still wouldn’t hurt to rest Vuc more often in the hopes of elongating his prime years a little. That’s a thing right?

Absolutely...and get Mo some run, if nothing else to raise his trade value

jonbob17 · Post #1972 » by **jonbob17** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:16 pm

Skybox wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:
thelead wrote:This team is so bad that we no longer need to trade Vuc. In fact, even I wouldn’t trade him unless I could get back a very promising young player back. We’re going to be a bottom 8 team. Hopefully the the ping pong balls will be kind to us this time.

Still wouldn’t hurt to rest Vuc more often in the hopes of elongating his prime years a little. That’s a thing right?

Absolutely...and get Mo some run, if nothing else to raise his trade value

Two birds! One invisible stone.

Husky1 · Post #1973 » by **Husky1** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:35 am

From the flashes Mo has shown last few games I would be very hesitant in trading him. His ceiling is still very high. Must get Birch’s minutes.

drsd · Post #1974 » by **drsd** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:43 am

jonbob17 wrote:The Magic's Box score Plus Minus (BPM) right now are incredible.

Orlando is now an overall -4 team. We fans should be thrilled with the overall record given the blow-out losses that are pilling up.

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cedric76 · Post #1975 » by **cedric76** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:46 am

Husky1 wrote:From the flashes Mo has shown last few games I would be very hesitant in trading him. His ceiling is still very high. Must get Birch’s minutes.

We r not trading mo

drsd · Post #1976 » by **drsd** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:52 am

jonbob17 wrote:I will say Birch's numbers are impressive thus far, surprised to see him as a positive on offense.

He is a league leader in something called "Screened-assists".
The point is that Birch knows his role and plays to his strengths. And that is why ...

Still think the minutes should be going to Bamba.

... Birch gets more minutes than Bamba. When Bamba stops forcing his game and starts playing to his own strengths, he will get the Birch minutes. Off-season is were a player develops new skills (and show them off in camp and the pre-season). Within the season, a player needs to simplify and play one's game: only. The players that are exceptions to this rule are the Super-stars.

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cedric76 · Post #1977 » by **cedric76** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:38 am

drsd wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:I will say Birch's numbers are impressive thus far, surprised to see him as a positive on offense.

He is a league leader in something called "Screened-assists".
The point is that Birch knows his role and plays to his strengths. And that is why ...

Still think the minutes should be going to Bamba.

... Birch gets more minutes than Bamba. When Bamba stops forcing his game and starts playing to his own strengths, he will get the Birch minutes. Off-season is were a player develops new skills (and show them off in camp and the pre-season). Within the season, a player needs to simplify and play one's game: only. The players that are exceptions to this rule are the Super-stars.

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Hopefully Bamba can learn from birch s screening techniques

pepe1991 · Post #1978 » by **pepe1991** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:05 am

So... i guess "better without Evan " ship sinked very fast.

basketballRob · Post #1979 » by **basketballRob** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:12 am

pepe1991 wrote:So... i guess "better without Evan " ship sinked very fast.

We won't win anymore with Evan.

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pepe1991 · Post #1980 » by **pepe1991** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:23 am

basketballRob wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:So... i guess "better without Evan " ship sinked very fast.
We won't win anymore with Evan.

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In last 3 games along teams made 34 threes more than Magic.
That's 102 points swing,34 points per game difference.

Magic can't shoot 3s because of their dead floor spacing. Evan fixes lot of it by just existing as teams overreact as soon as he gets open.

Only pure haters ( or ones who don't understand concept of basketball ) can't understand why guys like Evan, Ross, Seth Curry, Huerter, Mills and many other shooters have great value, even in possessions when they don't even touch the ball.