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Is RJ Barrett a bust?

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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#401 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:00 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:I’m not even sure RJ will be as good as Demar. Demar can actually create his own shot, killer mid range game.


Development isn't linear so who knows if it'll happen...but if RJ's midrange game where to improve over the coming offseason as much as it did from last season to this one, he'd be within a percentage point of where Demar's midrange shooting was when he became an allstar :dontknow:

Demar can easily create those shots though. RJ’s handle is very limited. Demar even has a great post game.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#402 » by cgf » Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:10 pm

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He is not a starter or a piece if he cannot shoot. He needs to handle the ball too much to reconcile that. He needs to find his shot or he is not going to make it.


Though it's too early for the #s to mean anything significant; the 20yo's FT rate is up almost 10%, his long-midrange shooting is up over 5%, and his intermediate-midrange shooting is also up over 5%. The 3ball's obviously still (at least) a year away & he seems to be in his head about that, but the kid's shooting has made progress everywhere else & his work ethic is one of his strongest traits.

...so why are we assuming that he'll never become a capable 3pt shooter? Even Demar has become a plus 3pt shooter now. Development isn't linear, so until he stops making progress, I don't see the point in freaking out about the rate of that progress in the terrible growth-environment we've put him in :dontknow:

Demar still isn’t and has never been a plus 3 point shooter....


He's over 39% from 3 this year. League average is 36.5% this season.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#403 » by cgf » Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:10 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:I’m not even sure RJ will be as good as Demar. Demar can actually create his own shot, killer mid range game.


Development isn't linear so who knows if it'll happen...but if RJ's midrange game where to improve over the coming offseason as much as it did from last season to this one, he'd be within a percentage point of where Demar's midrange shooting was when he became an allstar :dontknow:

Demar can easily create those shots though. RJ’s handle is very limited. Demar even has a great post game.


Now. But demar's handle has come a long way from when he was drafted.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#404 » by Dave DaButcher » Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:10 pm

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Poor RJ looks awfully lonely in the bottom right corner.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#405 » by DaGawd » Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:18 pm

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Poor RJ looks awfully lonely in the bottom right corner.

Look at Julius
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#406 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:18 pm

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Development isn't linear so who knows if it'll happen...but if RJ's midrange game where to improve over the coming offseason as much as it did from last season to this one, he'd be within a percentage point of where Demar's midrange shooting was when he became an allstar :dontknow:

Demar can easily create those shots though. RJ’s handle is very limited. Demar even has a great post game.


Now. But demar's handle has come a long way from when he was drafted.

Demar is hitting a lot of the same mid range shots from college right now. His handle was and still is significantly better than RJ’s.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#407 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:51 pm

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Poor RJ looks awfully lonely in the bottom right corner.

Look at Julius


Impressive

Those charts are such a disaster though
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#408 » by DOT » Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:57 pm

RJ Bustett
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Nikola Topic/Kasparas Jakucionis
VJ Edgecombe/Jrue Holiday
Shaedon Sharpe/Cedric Coward
Kyle Filipowski/Collin Murray-Boyles
Alex Sarr/Clint Capela

Bench: Malcolm Brogdon/Hansen Yang/Rocco Zikarsky/RJ Luis Jr.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#409 » by god shammgod » Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:16 pm

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Poor RJ looks awfully lonely in the bottom right corner.

Look at Julius


mitch there too to the left of chris paul & lillard
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#410 » by robillionaire » Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:21 pm

Lamelo attached to luka and harden. wow imagine that
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#411 » by Jimmit79 » Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:24 pm

Is MJ stupid enough to trade Lamelo for RJ Frank Knox and Dsjr and 2023 Dallas pick?

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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#412 » by cgf » Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:30 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Demar can easily create those shots though. RJ’s handle is very limited. Demar even has a great post game.


Now. But demar's handle has come a long way from when he was drafted.

Demar is hitting a lot of the same mid range shots from college right now. His handle was and still is significantly better than RJ’s.


Fair enough, I got distract there anyway as I wasn't trying to say that RJ is a clone of Demar who will go about things in the same way. No doubt he'll be getting those shots in a different way, he's not as quick or explosive as a young DDR was, though he's longer, stronger & a better passer. I was moreso just trying to point out that RJ's midrange shooting has made progress from last year and if he repeated that progress one more time, his rates would be in that same range DDR was in when he became an allstar.

Plus, initially, I only brought Demar up to illustrate the points that you can progress as a shooter even without adding the 3ball to your arsenal and that guys have extended their range even late in their careers. As a counter-example to the notion that any of us can know now that a hard-working 20yo won't ever grow into a plus 3pt shooter just because he sucks at them in the present.

But again, I said at the start of the season that I expected RJ's 3ball to be a year or two away still; so was more interested in him improving at the line and from midrange...which is probably why I'm not disappointed by RJ's progress so far like some of y'all seem to be.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#413 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:11 pm

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Poor RJ looks awfully lonely in the bottom right corner.

Look at Julius


mitch there too to the left of chris paul & lillard


and where TF are they? :lol:

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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#414 » by god shammgod » Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:13 pm

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Post#416 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:39 pm

Jimmit79 wrote:Is MJ stupid enough to trade Lamelo for RJ Frank Knox and Dsjr and 2023 Dallas pick?

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Not a chance. :lol:
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#417 » by SelbyCobra » Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:49 pm

K-DOT wrote:RJ Bustett


You missed the viral joke here.

RJ Bussit.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#418 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:57 pm

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Just think, you could have had a Russ/RJ backcourt. It would have been the tank you've dreamed of for so long
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#419 » by prophet_of_rage » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:32 pm

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Futureisnow wrote:He's shown an ability to use his physicality to get into the paint and score. His free throw percentage is improved over last year. His outside jumper...well...his form looks better than last year. I don't think he's pushing the ball out from his chest as much and the arc looks fine. But obviously it's not consistent. I'd probably move him to the 3 and put a 1 and 2 out there with him that can consistently knock down a jumper so that he's not put in the position of having to as often as he is. It's only year 2 and he's already shown he's a starter in this league. Based on his work ethic and determination, I'm sure he'll turn things around.

He’s a starter on the Knicks.. He’s a bench player on most other teams. The stats don’t like. Both raw and advanced.. he’s a bad nba player right now
Right now. That will change.

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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#420 » by prophet_of_rage » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:40 pm

Did any of you guys follow Brandon Ingram? He was absolutely terrible his first two years. Shut down medically his third. Won MIP in his fourth and is damn near a superstar in his fifth.

He came in too skinny, no handle, no shot, not really athletic either.

It took Patrick Ewing 5 years to develop. Not everybody is Jordan, Lebron, AI or so. There are stars who are built. And 3rd pick doesn't mean superstar.

You can be a solid performer.

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