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Gravy · Post #41 » by **Gravy** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:23 pm

knickstape4ever wrote:

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KnicksGadfly · Post #42 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:24 pm

Man I’d love for Kyrie to get traded...some delicious comeuppance there

god shammgod · Post #43 » by **god shammgod** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:27 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Great article looking at Randle at C. Offense and spacing is much better but of course we sacrifice on defense especially rim protection. Not something we should do full time, but we need to run those small ball lineups for stretches especially with RJ on the floor to get him going.

It does show some glimpeses of how much better RJ can do with better spacing though.

The bigger question is if long term this can be a viable solution if we expect to contend. It is hard to see how that can be yes. Sooner rather then later are going to have to make some decisions between players and move pieces around.

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Some more good snippets

The player who gains the most from that extra room? You probably guessed it: RJ Barrett. On the season, Barrett has a ghastly True Shooting Percentage of 43.3%. Of the 97 players to take at least 100 shot attempts this season, Barrett ranks 95th in TS%. However, when Randle is at the five, Barrett’s TS% skyrockets to 75% per NBA Wowy, including an astonishing 81.3% on two-pointers (sample: 109 possessions).

Am I confident that RJ Barrett will continue to be the second coming of Wilt Chamberlain in RAC lineups? Unlikely. I’m sure there is some small sample noise in these numbers, but it’s hard to ignore how much more comfortable RJ looks with a little bit of breathing room out there

Conclusion
RAC lineups are a positively crucial part of this Knicks team’s identity. Yes, their deployment should depend on the situation (opponent, Randle’s fatigue, Mitch’s foul count, flow of the game, etc.), but they are far too valuable in unlocking Barrett and other perimeter players to ignore or minimize. Perhaps the biggest variable here is Obi Toppin’s health and development. If he can come in and be a stretch four next to Randle, it will give RAC lineups much-needed size and athleticism without sacrificing the shooting or playmaking. There’s a world where Randle spends upwards of 20% of his minutes playing the five next to power forwards like Toppin and Kevin Knox. In that world, there is space for players to move and there is space for fans to breathe.

i read this too. it would be better to stagger mitch/randle some and ship noel to the highest bidder. you got obi and taj for emergencies now.

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knickstape4ever · Post #44 » by **knickstape4ever** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:35 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
if I'm HOU I wouldn't touch Kyrie.

But every pick the Nets own, Lavert + Allen + Dinwiddie isn't a horrible package.

Wright said in another tweet the goal was to have a big 3 of Kyrie, KD, and Harden, which is hard to believe b/c I didn't think they could offer a strong enough package even before Dinwiddie got hurt

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y3gnants

this works.

I would ask for the nets 2021, 2023, and 2025 1st round pick
Then I would ask for swaps in 2022, 2024, and 2026.

I'd think Houston can do better. LeVert is nice, but I don't think Allen is a fit for them when the have Wood playing C and excelling. Dinwiddie has a player option that he probably declines even w/ the injury, Shamet is ok, but nothing special. will they want to wait 3 years for 1 of those picks to maybe be decent?

god shammgod · Post #45 » by **god shammgod** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:39 pm

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Dave DaButcher · Post #46 » by **Dave DaButcher** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:42 pm

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Gulp.

god shammgod · Post #47 » by **god shammgod** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:44 pm

iLLmatic860 · Post #48 » by **iLLmatic860** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:49 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:If kd cooks us on a back to back with that injury we should lose all hope in this team

he didn't play the first game. but also relax.

He played last night

SelbyCobra · Post #49 » by **SelbyCobra** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:50 pm

KnicksGadfly wrote:Man I’d love for Kyrie to get traded...some delicious comeuppance there

Noooo, I want him to be a confusion and salary anchor for that franchise for as long as possible. Kyrie doesn't give a f*ck, so there'd be nothing delicious about it really. Him being a problem for the Nets is the much bigger attraction here.

Post #50 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:52 pm

iLLmatic860 wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:If kd cooks us on a back to back with that injury we should lose all hope in this team

he didn't play the first game. but also relax.

He played last night

my bad. i read a report wrong.

still, chill. what a fire take.

Post #51 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:53 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:
KnicksGadfly wrote:Man I’d love for Kyrie to get traded...some delicious comeuppance there

Noooo, I want him to be a confusion and salary anchor for that franchise for as long as possible. Kyrie doesn't give a f*ck, so there'd be nothing delicious about it really. Him being a problem for the Nets is the much bigger attraction here.

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knickstape4ever · Post #52 » by **knickstape4ever** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:55 pm

Dave DaButcher wrote:

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Gulp.

I want to see him shoot just to see what it would look like in a game, but I've also seen him shoot FT's so I kinda don't want him shooting either

Post #53 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:57 pm

knickstape4ever wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:
Wright said in another tweet the goal was to have a big 3 of Kyrie, KD, and Harden, which is hard to believe b/c I didn't think they could offer a strong enough package even before Dinwiddie got hurt

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y3gnants

this works.

I would ask for the nets 2021, 2023, and 2025 1st round pick
Then I would ask for swaps in 2022, 2024, and 2026.

I'd think Houston can do better. LeVert is nice, but I don't think Allen is a fit for them when the have Wood playing C and excelling. Dinwiddie has a player option that he probably declines even w/ the injury, Shamet is ok, but nothing special. will they want to wait 3 years for 1 of those picks to maybe be decent?

you think joe harris moves the needle any?

cgmw · Post #54 » by **cgmw** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:58 pm

Kyrie looking like he would have been Dolan's perfect heir to the Marbury thrown. We caught a break despite ourselves.

god shammgod · Post #55 » by **god shammgod** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:58 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y3gnants

this works.

I would ask for the nets 2021, 2023, and 2025 1st round pick
Then I would ask for swaps in 2022, 2024, and 2026.

I'd think Houston can do better. LeVert is nice, but I don't think Allen is a fit for them when the have Wood playing C and excelling. Dinwiddie has a player option that he probably declines even w/ the injury, Shamet is ok, but nothing special. will they want to wait 3 years for 1 of those picks to maybe be decent?

you think joe harris moves the needle any?

if they can maybe get simmons why jump into this. the nets will offer this package all year.

god shammgod · Post #56 » by **god shammgod** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:59 pm

cgmw wrote:Kyrie looking like he would have been Dolan's perfect heir to the Marbury thrown. We caught a break despite ourselves.

actually, the knicks were out on kyrie early for these reasons. they wanted kd to come with kemba. probably why we didn't get him.

Dave DaButcher · Post #57 » by **Dave DaButcher** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:01 pm

knickstape4ever wrote:
Dave DaButcher wrote:

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Gulp.

I want to see him shoot just to see what it would look like in a game, but I've also seen him shoot FT's so I kinda don't want him shooting either

Especially if he’s been working with Drew Hanlen.

Post #58 » by **mpharris36** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:01 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:
I'd think Houston can do better. LeVert is nice, but I don't think Allen is a fit for them when the have Wood playing C and excelling. Dinwiddie has a player option that he probably declines even w/ the injury, Shamet is ok, but nothing special. will they want to wait 3 years for 1 of those picks to maybe be decent?

you think joe harris moves the needle any?

if they can maybe get simmons why jump into this. the nets will offer this package all year.

I think if Morey offers Simmons the deal would be done already. My guess right now he isn't doing that.

3toheadmelo · Post #59 » by **3toheadmelo** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:03 pm

Mitch can’t be worse than Payton and R_Barrett at shooting. Just let it fly at this point

god shammgod · Post #60 » by **god shammgod** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:08 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
you think joe harris moves the needle any?

if they can maybe get simmons why jump into this. the nets will offer this package all year.

I think if Morey offers Simmons the deal would be done already. My guess right now he isn't doing that.

right now. wait another month or 2 and see. what are you losing ? jarrett allen and caris levert ? some picks that likely won't be in the lottery ?

Who wins