James harden says “this situation is crazy. Can’t be fixed” then leaves podium/John wall doesn’t agree with Harden

[RunSunRun]

i think players will force the nba to shut it down. little by little more players are just leaving the team to do their own thing. the structure is so broken the player feels they can do anything they want because there IS NO structure. playing with 8man rotations, seeing teammates move in and out of the lineup.

nba players are the most coddled in the states. they also happen to be the most powerful. more and more players are going to kyrie their time just cuz they feel like it.

You pretty much nailed how I feel about the current NBA. Its a clownshow with the players having complete control over everything in the league. I fully expect more players to follow George Hill's stance and do whatever they want, Covid restrictions be damned.

[Peregrine01]

It's really kind of crazy to think that after Chris Paul was put out to pasture by Harden and many thought that his relevance in title contention was over, he wound up on a team that drastically outperformed expectations and nearly beat the Rockets (OKC) and then ended up on another team the next year that is now a contender (PHX) while the Rockets might not make the playoffs.

This is truly one of the greatest get-backs by any spurned player that I can remember.

[magee]

Right now, the only team I see him possibly going to is New Orleans. They are built to win and and for the next few years, they can give up enough draft capital and young players to make it work.

[VDT]

Pelicans are not ready to win, they just traded Jrue for picks. Zion is still a work in progress. I equally doubt that Harden wants to play there for the same reasons. The more Houston procrastinates the worse it will be. It might make sense if all the offers they are getting are middling players and late picks, but if they can get a quality piece they should do the trade, they will not get much by waiting and i doubt teams are going to start a bidding war over Harden.

[bisme37]

His beard looks absolutely ridiculous at this point. Wtf IS that thing?

That's all I wanted to say about that. Carry on.

[madmaxmedia]

This is a rough situation that John Wall has found himself in, on top of his long rehab. I really applaud him for staying strong and committed to playing hard, and saying all the right things.

[Sedale Threatt]

You're right, market will probably be limited to teams that want absurdly dominant all-time great offensive players.

Again, they're just lining up, aren't they? Nobody can ever question Harden's skills or accomplishments. He's an all-time great player. I just have zero respect for somebody who has basically quit. Have some respect for yourself and your fan base. At the very least, non-centers shouldn't be out here balling with tits.

That's cool, I'm just more into talking about basketball on basketball boards and not making it an excuse to repeat the small moral stances I use in my day to day life. You don't like people who aren't loyal and hardworking, most of us don't, and yeah of course there are some things Harden has done that none of us would probably want ourselves or our friends to have done. He's also really really good at basketball and teams are likely gauging that he'll be a lot more engaged once he gets out of Houston. He's less valued than a mega-star in his prime would be for all those reasons--and his age even more so--but many many teams are still clearly interested in him. Be cool to talk about that rather than toss out moral platitudes and flat zingers about how a world-class athlete is fat.

Have at it. I’m sure you can find plenty of posters willing to have that discussion with you.

[Jabroni Lames]

Daryl Morey is 100% responsible for the toxic Rockets environment. He enabled Harden at every turn. No wonder Harden wanted Chris Paul gone.... because he's a mature adult and true professional.

When John Wall is the voice of reason, you know you left behind a clusterf*ck.

[Openheimer]

The only reason this situation is crazy is because of Harden.

Harden cant handle someone holding him accountable - CP3

Harden **** the roster of that team up completely when he traded him away. Then turns around and points fingers at everyone else but him. Coming in overweight and licking booty holes whilst at the same time acting like he's not to blame is worthy of getting a slap to the face. I cant believe someone hasn't done that yet. Seriously im not one for violence and i never will. But at the same time there are certain players who are in need of a slap or two. One slap to remind him of how great he is..And another one to remind him this team only went to the **** because you are a petulant man child.

A mcgrady fan talking about another player being a quitter lol haha . The clown who virtually quit in the Toronto game

[Ballerhogger]

Bulls trade
O.Potter Jr
L.Markken
Colby White
2st rounders

For James Harden.

Harden now has compent Center in Wendell Carter and guard play with Zach Lavine , Rockets get young players and 1st round draft picks

[Veez]

Read on Twitter

this is embarrassing for a professional athlete who is considered a "super star". way to quit fatty. lets see what other team you are going to disappoint

[Tracymcgoaty]

The only reason this situation is crazy is because of Harden.

Harden cant handle someone holding him accountable - CP3

Harden **** the roster of that team up completely when he traded him away. Then turns around and points fingers at everyone else but him. Coming in overweight and licking booty holes whilst at the same time acting like he's not to blame is worthy of getting a slap to the face. I cant believe someone hasn't done that yet. Seriously im not one for violence and i never will. But at the same time there are certain players who are in need of a slap or two. One slap to remind him of how great he is..And another one to remind him this team only went to the **** because you are a petulant man child.

A mcgrady fan talking about another player being a quitter lol haha . The clown who virtually quit in the Toronto game

Dont talk crap about Mcgrady he's the goat.

[PistolPeteJR]

I really don't know what team Harden would best fit at this point tbh.

Denver? Maybe, but do I really want the ball out of Jokic's hands more? As for a two-man game, Harden isn't an offball player, and so I don't see the fit.

Philly? Again, maybe, but that would take the ball out of Embiid's hands and I think that would cause severe chemistry issues between the two. It would be like Harden-Dwight all over again, except that Embiid is leaps and bounds better than Dwight was on O.

Brooklyn? Are they playing with three basketballs?

Yeah, I really don't know.

[zeebneeb]

I would hang onto him for the duration of his contract, and let him age. He has a player option in 22/23 and if he wants to test the waters when he is 33-34, then so be it.

Set an example.

I agree with you. They should just let him rot on the bench. Sometimes you gotta draw a line in the sand tanking value be damned

That said it won't happen

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It won't happen because it sends a message to any star that is even thinking about going to HOU. They are watching this situation and if HOU doesn't a get a deal done and continues to waste Harden's career, no one will commit to them in the future.

It's not worth it. They had a good 7 year run with Harden. It's time to move on

That is one way of looking at it. Another would be that other franchises start taking a hard line against whiney "superstars" changing how things are done.

As a fan, I am sick and tired of players demanding trades, and conduct detrimental to the team(s). I can't think of a worse punishment for these players then to let them sit. Sit thru their prime years. No amount of money can buy you time.

I absolutely understand your point of view and Houston may suffer initially because of it, but you can believe that their are other owners that are watching this very closely as they are also tired of running a business with very little control over the product, and these massive contracts being handed out to high end players making it very difficult to move them.

In the end, a person who owns a business has the right to conduct business how they see fit.

[GYK]

He’s a great player, I don’t think you’ll find anyone who says otherwise. But the team has done everything he’s asked for. They played a style to solely benefit him and made every other player on the team sacrifice their play for him. A style that allowed him to be MVP.

The Rockets made trades to benefit him including the Paul + picks for Westbrook which not only was a complete disaster for the present, but also for the future. If he was to be apart of that future then I’m sure you can justify it. But now that he wants out? Hell no.

Fertitta clearly has his issues but James Harden is being a massive douche to his new head coach, his teammates and worst of all, the Houston fans.

If he wants out, I would not listen to his “preferred destinations” and would ship him out to the highest bidder. Whether those other teams not on the preferred destination list even make serious offers is yet to be seen, but if I were Fertitta I’d do everything in my power to send him somewhere like Sacramento.

So the playstyle was made to solely benefit Harden? Not specifically made because it was decided it was their best option to win? It’s almost as if MDA didn’t completely change his position. Or Morey had a stern belief in 3’s/layups/free throws.
Be angry at him as it’s your right but remember any Rocket related pleasure you had over the last nine seasons is all Harden produced.

Yes it started out with Morey and MDA, but once Harden got a taste of ISO ball, that was the only way forward for him from there.

If he gave a damn and worked off ball, maybe his teams would be more successful. Imagine if he ran off some picks and made the defense actually move. His teams would be a way more successful than him either going ISO or standing in the corner not moving.

His teams are pretty successful.
But I’m not understanding are you saying off ball scorers inherently lead more success than on ball scorers? Rockets haven’t lost in the PS to an inferior team and that’s all James.

[CoinTossRoss31]

The only reason this situation is crazy is because of Harden.

Harden cant handle someone holding him accountable - CP3

Harden **** the roster of that team up completely when he traded him away. Then turns around and points fingers at everyone else but him. Coming in overweight and licking booty holes whilst at the same time acting like he's not to blame is worthy of getting a slap to the face. I cant believe someone hasn't done that yet. Seriously im not one for violence and i never will. But at the same time there are certain players who are in need of a slap or two. One slap to remind him of how great he is..And another one to remind him this team only went to the **** because you are a petulant man child.

A mcgrady fan talking about another player being a quitter lol haha . The clown who virtually quit in the Toronto game

Dont talk crap about Mcgrady he's the goat.

Not even top 30 players. Glad he never made it out of the first round.

[Tracymcgoaty]

A mcgrady fan talking about another player being a quitter lol haha . The clown who virtually quit in the Toronto game

Dont talk crap about Mcgrady he's the goat.

Not even top 30 players. Glad he never made it out of the first round.

I also wish he stayed with Toronto.

[CoinTossRoss31]

Dont talk crap about Mcgrady he's the goat.

Not even top 30 players. Glad he never made it out of the first round.

I also wish he stayed with Toronto.

I don't think Toronto cares anymore we got our ring. More than Mcgrady can say

[Tracymcgoaty]

Not even top 30 players. Glad he never made it out of the first round.

I also wish he stayed with Toronto.

I don't think Toronto cares anymore we got our ring. More than Mcgrady can say

Im sure he'll manage.

[Marvin Martian]

I agree with you. They should just let him rot on the bench. Sometimes you gotta draw a line in the sand tanking value be damned

That said it won't happen

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It won't happen because it sends a message to any star that is even thinking about going to HOU. They are watching this situation and if HOU doesn't a get a deal done and continues to waste Harden's career, no one will commit to them in the future.

It's not worth it. They had a good 7 year run with Harden. It's time to move on

That is one way of looking at it. Another would be that other franchises start taking a hard line against whiney "superstars" changing how things are done.

As a fan, I am sick and tired of players demanding trades, and conduct detrimental to the team(s). I can't think of a worse punishment for these players then to let them sit. Sit thru their prime years. No amount of money can buy you time.

I absolutely understand your point of view and Houston may suffer initially because of it, but you can believe that their are other owners that are watching this very closely as they are also tired of running a business with very little control over the product, and these massive contracts being handed out to high end players making it very difficult to move them.

In the end, a person who owns a business has the right to conduct business how they see fit.

Ownership does have control over the product. Many teams are doing better than HOU because they have better management. A component franchise would have traded Harden 2 years ago before he imploded and got a king's ransom for him. But they didn't. They wanted to squeeze him dry without any commitment to building a championship team. They are paying the price for their greed.