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MisterHibachi wrote:?s=19
I would prefer this over a picks package from Brooklyn, if I'm Houston. And it creates a scarier team than the Nets big 3 as well.
iggymcfrack wrote: I have Bird #19 and Kobe #20 on my all-time list and both guys will probably get passed by Jokic by the end of this season.
Peregrine01 wrote:Harden is probably the one person most responsible for Houston's roster as constructed currently. That he is going to brinksmanship tactics now to get himself traded from the situation that he created seems deeply unjust.
If I were Rockets FO, I would trade him to a team with a huge number of picks (ala OKC). There's a danger to setting this kind of superstar-enabling precedent.
MyUniBroDavis wrote:freethedevil wrote:StepBackCrack wrote:
Utter nonsense. Your agenda against KD is obvious here. Can't take this seriously. He has been great for the Nets so far.
So great:This is what the mov has been for the nets with just KD:
a 6 point win over the nuggets.
a 13 point loss to the thunder
a 18 point loss to the hawks.
a 2 point loss to the hornets
In the situtation you're tring to give KD credit for "without kyrie or levert", the nets haven't even been a [b[negative srs team[/b]
Nah, your agenda for KD here is obvious. I think you just hate that its fairly obvious all these excuses you're making for durant like "not having enough defensive pieces" would go way if you replaced him with an --actual-- MVP like giannis. The nets have been awful without Kyrie. they were not awful last year without kyrie. They were actually pretty good. If KD' is worthy of an MVP how are the nets so awful when he doesn' thave his point guard outsocring and outassisting him?
I’d say Durant isn’t getting to the rim as much, and idk if that’s by him taking it easy or by his post injury stuff
He isn't? From what I've seen KD's been driving alot though I haven't tracked it hard or anything. i'm mostly seeing he's been a tissue defensively, haven't tracked creation, but i dont see him making much.
I haven’t watched closely enough but I’d assume his defense sucks now at least until playoff time
I’d say the nets have been a strong offensive team though, and KD has something to do with that for sure, even if the defenses they’ve faced have been pretty trash.
How strong have they been withotu kyrie?
I’m pretty sure giannis on off was better than lebrons last year, and I wouldn’t expect KDs on off to be BBC easy because the team has shown they can function without him, it’s not gonna be a +talent situation cuz there’s overlap
Eh...IIRC Lebrons on/off was much higher and people like scrab and homecourtloss were using that to try and argue that giannis wasn't clearly the mvp last year.
I do agree that their record atm isn’t good enough for him to be in the mvp race, otoh, should be noted the team lost those games with him off the floor those games if that makes sense, and they are definitely a better team than the warriors even with a worse record
Didn't the nets get deeper? How? They've basically traded levert for durant right?
On AD, I’d agree last 5-6 games ADs been great but first 5 he was prolly one of the worst defenders in the team, but they’re hardly trying right now, and they’re doing an indiscriminate aggressive pick and roll coverage that requires more communication and awareness from all 5 players than last year where they dropped mostly, although them already being a top level defense even with weak offenses faced is a pretty good sign[
Fair enough
My favorite player is his rival. Assuming a nets dyansty isn't on the table, we really need a lebron-giannis final. Could essentially be lebron vs jordan in reverse. Maybe Lberon vs Jordan 2.0 if he puts everythign together in the playoffs
Peregrine01 wrote:Harden is probably the one person most responsible for Houston's roster as constructed currently. That he is going to brinksmanship tactics now to get himself traded from the situation that he created seems deeply unjust.
If I were Rockets FO, I would trade him to a team with a huge number of picks (ala OKC). There's a danger to setting this kind of superstar-enabling precedent.
freethedevil wrote:Peregrine01 wrote:Harden is probably the one person most responsible for Houston's roster as constructed currently. That he is going to brinksmanship tactics now to get himself traded from the situation that he created seems deeply unjust.
If I were Rockets FO, I would trade him to a team with a huge number of picks (ala OKC). There's a danger to setting this kind of superstar-enabling precedent.
why the hell would okc give houston their picks?
MartinToVaught wrote:Well, never mind about that mystery team. This Nets squad is going to be the modern version of Doug Moe's Nuggets at this rate. No defense being played and final scores that look like an All-Star Game every night.
therealbig3 wrote:Gonna be hard to say goodbye to Jarrett Allen. One of my favorite players on the team, maybe my favorite. Is on the cusp of really breaking out as an All-Star C, and is only 22.
The Nets defense is a concern, to put it lightly.
freethedevil wrote:MyUniBroDavis wrote:freethedevil wrote:So great:
Nah, your agenda for KD here is obvious. I think you just hate that its fairly obvious all these excuses you're making for durant like "not having enough defensive pieces" would go way if you replaced him with an --actual-- MVP like giannis. The nets have been awful without Kyrie. they were not awful last year without kyrie. They were actually pretty good. If KD' is worthy of an MVP how are the nets so awful when he doesn' thave his point guard outsocring and outassisting him?
I’d say Durant isn’t getting to the rim as much, and idk if that’s by him taking it easy or by his post injury stuff
He isn't? From what I've seen KD's been driving alot though I haven't tracked it hard or anything. i'm mostly seeing he's been a tissue defensively, haven't tracked creation, but i dont see him making much.
I haven’t watched closely enough but I’d assume his defense sucks now at least until playoff time
I’d say the nets have been a strong offensive team though, and KD has something to do with that for sure, even if the defenses they’ve faced have been pretty trash.
How strong have they been withotu kyrie?
I’m pretty sure giannis on off was better than lebrons last year, and I wouldn’t expect KDs on off to be BBC easy because the team has shown they can function without him, it’s not gonna be a +talent situation cuz there’s overlap
Eh...IIRC Lebrons on/off was much higher and people like scrab and homecourtloss were using that to try and argue that giannis wasn't clearly the mvp last year.
I do agree that their record atm isn’t good enough for him to be in the mvp race, otoh, should be noted the team lost those games with him off the floor those games if that makes sense, and they are definitely a better team than the warriors even with a worse record
Didn't the nets get deeper? How? They've basically traded levert for durant right?
On AD, I’d agree last 5-6 games ADs been great but first 5 he was prolly one of the worst defenders in the team, but they’re hardly trying right now, and they’re doing an indiscriminate aggressive pick and roll coverage that requires more communication and awareness from all 5 players than last year where they dropped mostly, although them already being a top level defense even with weak offenses faced is a pretty good sign[
Fair enough
My favorite player is his rival. Assuming a nets dyansty isn't on the table, we really need a lebron-giannis final. Could essentially be lebron vs jordan in reverse. Maybe Lberon vs Jordan 2.0 if he puts everythign together in the playoffs
iggymcfrack wrote: I have Bird #19 and Kobe #20 on my all-time list and both guys will probably get passed by Jokic by the end of this season.
therealbig3 wrote:Gonna be hard to say goodbye to Jarrett Allen. One of my favorite players on the team, maybe my favorite. Is on the cusp of really breaking out as an All-Star C, and is only 22.
The Nets defense is a concern, to put it lightly.
. Harden + KD should be a helluva combo even with Kyrie being woke, gonna be fun to see either this blow up in the Net's faces or a new dynasty forming. iggymcfrack wrote: I have Bird #19 and Kobe #20 on my all-time list and both guys will probably get passed by Jokic by the end of this season.
