Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7

NatP4 · Post #1181 » by **NatP4** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:17 pm

Cavs somehow got Jarret Allen

NatP4 · Post #1182 » by **NatP4** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:19 pm

Apparently Oladipo is headed to Houston for Lavert

pcbothwel · Post #1183 » by **pcbothwel** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:22 pm

NatP4 wrote:Apparently Oladipo is headed to Houston for Lavert

Strange... They move Allen for a late Bucks pick in 2022, but then Levert for Dipo... seems... Off.

NatP4 · Post #1184 » by **NatP4** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:26 pm

Read on Twitter

Frichuela · Post #1185 » by **Frichuela** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:33 pm

NatP4 wrote:

Read on Twitter

A blockbuster!

Don't get why Houston prefers a 1-year of Oladipo to Levert who is locked on a reasonable 3-year $53/mn contract...

pcbothwel · Post #1186 » by **pcbothwel** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:33 pm

NatP4 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Houston did awful. But their focus seems to be similar to what I suggested:
- They dont have their 2021 pick and 2024 pick, so it behoves them to field a competitive team this year (As much as possible). Bottom out in 2022 & 2023 and then be back in playoff hunt in 23/24 season.

But they couldnt do better than a pick in the 27-30 range in 2022 for Allen?
And Im not a Levert fan, but he's been as good or better than Dipo on a better contract.
https://stathead.com/tiny/Qz6x6

Why not move him for a pick instead of a mediocre Dipo?

Post #1187 » by **nate33** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:35 pm

Wow!

Houston did really well considering the circumstances. Turning Harden into a younger Oladipo while getting 4 first round picks and 4 1st round swaps. Most of those picks are late, but by 2024 or so, Brooklyn's fortunes could turn south. Durant and Harden aren't getting any younger.

NatP4 · Post #1188 » by **NatP4** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:36 pm

Wish we could’ve acquired Allen for basically nothing

closg00 · Post #1189 » by **closg00** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:40 pm

NatP4 wrote:Cavs somehow got Jarret Allen

Ernie still helping other teams long after he left

Frichuela · Post #1190 » by **Frichuela** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:41 pm

NatP4 wrote:Wish we could’ve acquired Allen for basically nothing

Well, they paid a MIL 1st rounder and had to absorb Prince's hefty contract. But yeah, they did great in the trade. Drummond is gone next season if not traded by the deadline. Plus they have a good young core going forward: Sexton/Garland/Porter Jr/Okoro/Allen plus Larry Nance.

Post #1191 » by **nate33** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:42 pm

I think this is a bad move for Brooklyn. I'm not sure how much they're improved with Harden. There's only 1 basketball and somebody has to play defense. And now they're without Allen and LeVert.

Meanwhile, they left themselves very vulnerable to what happened a decade ago after they traded future picks for a washed up Pierce and Garnett. They might suck in 2025, 2026 and 2027 while giving their picks to Houston.

Post #1192 » by **nate33** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:44 pm

Frichuela wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Wish we could’ve acquired Allen for basically nothing

Well, they paid a MIL 1st rounder and had to absorb Prince's hefty contract. But yeah, they did great in the trade. Drummond is gone next season if not traded by the deadline. Plus they have a good young core going forward: Sexton/Garland/Porter Jr/Okoro/Allen plus Larry Nance.

Would love to trade Westbrook for Drummond. Of course, it makes no sense for Cleveland, but it would solve a lot of our problems nicely. Drummond replaces Bryant's minutes and single-handedly cures our rebounding problem; Westbrook's contract is off the books; and we would no longer see 2-PG lineups.

NatP4 · Post #1193 » by **NatP4** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:44 pm

It seems like a lose-lose, maybe a win for Cleveland. How do you only get 20-30 ranked 1st round picks for James Harden? Oladipo is a free agent this off-season. Brooklyn continues to mortgage the future, Harden is 31, and Kyrie is off the rails right now anyways.

This is what I really want to avoid with a Beal trade.

NatP4 · Post #1194 » by **NatP4** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:52 pm

Westbrook for Kyrie

Post #1195 » by **nate33** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:54 pm

NatP4 wrote:It seems like a lose-lose, maybe a win for Cleveland. How do you only get 20-30 ranked 1st round picks for James Harden? Oladipo is a free agent this off-season. Brooklyn continues to mortgage the future, Harden is 31, and Kyrie is off the rails right now anyways.

This is what I really want to avoid with a Beal trade.

Yes. Avoiding a Beal trade is the best option.

But I don't think this is a bad haul for Harden. 4 picks and 4 pick swaps is a lot. Durant is 32 and Harden is 31 and they're both under contract for just 1 more year plus a player option in the year after. Assuming they opt in, then in Summer 2023, Durant will be 34 and Harden 33. Brooklyn will have been capped out for 2 years, with no new role players coming in and no youth. Will they stick around? If they don't, then Houston gets 4 great picks in 2024, 2025, 2026 and 2027

Let's say they stick around for 2 more years until Durant is 36 and Harden is 35. Then it's Summer 2025 and the wheels fall off. Houston will still get 2 great picks in 2026 and 2027.

Post #1196 » by **nate33** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:56 pm

NatP4 wrote:Westbrook for Kyrie

I'm not even sure I'd do it. That's how much I dislike Kyrie. His contract is just as long too.

Kyrie is obviously more movable, so I guess I would do it, if only to flip Kyrie somewhere else.

tontoz · Post #1197 » by **tontoz** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:01 pm

WOW I wonder how Mariah Kyrie will respond to playing with Harden. Maybe he is MIA because he knew this trade was coming.

Post #1198 » by **nate33** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:06 pm

With Cleveland already playing well and now adding Allen and Prince, they may have moved ahead of us in terms of playoff potential. And if New York continues to play well, at what point does it make more sense to go ahead and commit to tanking?

tontoz · Post #1199 » by **tontoz** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:23 pm

nate33 wrote:With Cleveland already playing well and now adding Allen and Prince, they may have moved ahead of us in terms of playoff potential. And if New York continues to play well, at what point does it make more sense to go ahead and commit to tanking?

Once westbrook gets back we can get our stealth tank back on track.

Post #1200 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:36 pm

I'm having a tough time seeing Kyrie playing with Harden. Maybe Brooklyn's given up on Kyrie. Can't see him having much trade value - as he's so unreliable, and he was a disaster in Boston. They really need an interior defender now that Allen's gone.