Nets trade for Harden!

[CalamityX12]

Our depth and size took a major hit, how can we fix that? Is it even possible?

Marks has no trade chips for 7 years! Lol i laugh but scared AF

[drchaos]

I really wish our outgoing players the best.

Until the shock wears off I am not sure how to feel.

We really gave up everything that wasn't nailed down.

[JBreezeNY]

I prefer the Zion Knick jersey more

Harden & KD gonna be fire tho, looking forward to it.

Real honest question....Are Knick fans afraid of Thibs and his minutes usage? I’m not trying to be some bias Nets fan. I legit am shocked this dude still runs guys into 40 minutes per game.

I’m not trying to be funny here. I like Thibs and I was excited when we interviewed him but I am shocked he still is stuck to his Chicago ways.

Of course we are, absolutely.

The minutes usage is a problem especially because the only damn good players we have (Mitch & Randle) are gonna get burned out.

When that happens...well, let’s just say the forum I’m on will be entertaining

Personally, I want us to get a top 5 lotto pick so I’m not bothered by anything this season as long as we’re in a position for that.

Thibs has been great with getting the guys to defend tighter, smarter, even the offensive sets have been good but his negatives are about to blow up if (when) we continue to lose.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Thibs straight running his players to the ground.

Knicks should just focus on getting Cade Cunningham. He could turn around their fortunes.

[Paradise]

Lol.

Truth hurts

Theres a reason you're lurking our threads in the first place.

Lol.

Okay little brother.

That’s a strange way to spell Hello Brooklyn. Who’s little brother? We’ve been the big homie, fam.

When was the last time the Knicks and Nets met in an actual playoff series? What happened? when was the last time the Knicks signed a superstar or...two or even had three?

When has the Knicks ever had multiple MVP candidates? or 3 of them?

[MrDollarBills]

Lol.

Okay little brother.

I prefer the Zion Knick jersey more

Harden & KD gonna be fire tho, looking forward to it.

Thanks for being a good sport about it, it's fun when our fanbases talk trash

[NyCeEvO]

Just imagine this for a second. In 2023 all three players opt out and leave the nets and they still will owe Houston five first round drafts picks.

KD already came out and said he wants to retire here. The Nets do NOT make this deal without assurance how committed both are beyond 2023.

Harden basically forced himself here and I can’t seem him leaving NYC after 2 years. I think he actually wanted to be in a big market outside of the KD/Green/Kyrie/MDA relationship factor.

I hope James is ready for the culture shock...his ass is going to have to get used to wearing a mask and sitting home because the titty bars aren't popping right now

The talk about “culture” doesn’t ring the same now as it did before.

There were people who said they didn’t want Harden after the strip club incident and now they’re celebrating and ready to build one in his brownstone/condo if it means he’ll ball out for the Nets lol.

If Kyrie can find a public place to host a birthday party during a pandemic, you better believe Harden will find a place to drop singles.

[Prokorov]

I was really hoping we didnt trade for Harden. We basically mortgaged our future again for a 4 year title window. I'm not even sure Harden makes us THAT much better. Our defense will be downgraded and we have to outscore our opponent every time

1) a "4 year title window" is like, the holy grail of the NBA. some teams going 10, 20,30 years without a 1 year title window. And you mortgage the future for that 100 times out of 100. but also...

2) we arent actually morgaging the future:
-it nots actually at picks. its at most 6.
-One of the picks is from the cavs not us, so thats 7 owed from us
-one of those 7 is a pick swap this year. 0.0% change rockets are better then us this year

of those 6 picks:
'23, '25, '27 pick swaps
'22,'24 '26 picks outright sent

odds are still high that at least the 2023 swap doesnt convey. and the ones that do convey, we still get picks back in those swaps. 2022 should be a lousy pick... we can likely buy a pick similar to where we would have drafted.

when all is said and done we lose:
-2022 pick that is mid to late 20's, we can buy a pick in that range
-2024 pick, probably 20s also, maybe teens, unlikely lotto
-2026 pick, unknown call it lotto
-2027 pick, unknown, call it lotto

So 2 lotto picks plus 2 picks in the 20s. and a center due a big payday. im not going to include levert who will be 30+ once this window ends as ":the future".

thats hardly mortgaging much. especially when we have cemented ourselves as a destination for stars and a place that takes care of our stars. we may not have picks but once that window ends and we have the cap we can sign or trade for more stars.

[Prokorov]

I'm really gonna miss Jarrett Allen not gonna lie. Dude was a beast in the making, was already one of the better defensive bigs in the league imo.

We do have serious defensive concerns right now with Kyrie-Harden-Harris-Jordan as 4/5 of our starting lineup. KD is the only plus defender, and you can't really expect him to be an anchor at 32/33 years old coming off an Achilles.

FWIW, Kyrie has played oustanding defense this year, and the last 2-3 years harden has graded out on the top 25% at his position.

[Prokorov]

Yeah I'm sure those 8 picks won't come back to haunt us

Great can't wait to watch DeAndre Jordan play 30+ mins a night now, but at least we'll score 160 points every night as KD and Harden take turns going iso

I think it's 7 of our picks with one from Cleveland. Yes, I know it doesn't make it THAT much better for you.

Claxton can't come back soon enough. Wish somehow Nets got another big in this deal.

How did Marks not manage to get PJ Tucker or another rotation player in the deal?

I mean look I am sure I will be happy once it sinks in, we've got two top 5 players now, and an All Star PG if Kyrie's manic episode ever decides to finish. We just need to fill in the blanks.

I don't see Kyrie fitting in here now anyway when we have Harden.

because we couldnt match the salary. as it was it was tough to match for just harden.

Keep in mind we still have the MLE we didnt use in the offseason, plus disabled player exception from dinwiddie. we will be a prime landing spot during buyout season

[Prokorov]

7 years without our picks. Zero protections. This is pretty wild.

We need to find a center ASAP. More has to be on the horizon because DJ is not the guy you want next to a Kyrie/Harden back court.

Kyrie/Brown
Harris/Shamet
Harden/TLC
Durant/Green
DJ/Claxton/Perry

Crazy thing is if Dinwiddie was healthy, we'd be pretty damn deep. Now, we're still pretty damn solid outside of our 3 stars. Just a big hole at C.

Ypu left out Tyler Johnson.

We also have the MLE too. and can still trade spencer as an expiring if we wanted

[FlipFlopShot]

Wow! We did it!!

2 champs: Kyrie and KD
6moty: Harden

Tell me this isn't deep roster!

[Prokorov]

Nets acquire a 2024 2nd round pick from Cleveland

Read on Twitter

Couldn't we have tried to add Larry Nance or something? Man....

I really don't know how to feel. I feel a crap ton of anxiety over this when I probably should be screaming my head off in joy. I think the PTSD from the Boston trade has me messed up.

Matching salaries prevented us from getting any addiitonal player of note

[Prokorov]

The fact that those picks don't have protections is the thing that has me feeling nervous about this.

We'll need to definitely restock some depth.

Sean Marks is either confident he can retool without picks again

or he's pulling a Magic - "I'm not gonna be here for all that"

I kinda think it's the latter. If this fails to yield a championship, he's probably not getting his contract renewed.

Marks just bought himself a lifetime pass.


He took the nets from Jeremy Lin, Jarret Jack, and Trevor Booker to Kyrie, Durant, and Harden.

no matter how that plays out, he has brought relevance to brooklyn. if it goes horribly we are looking at 4 years from now having cap space, houstons '25 pick, no '26 pick, and houstons '27 pick.

But what everyone is missing is the genius of this trade is the swaps. The Rockets are going to struggle to rebuild because they owe 4 first rounders to OKC. so even if they finish with the worst record in the league, they dont get the picks. so they wont be able to start building through the draft for a while. they will suck for a while... even if we for a second time had an unreal bad luck horror worst case scenario and gave them the #1 pick, we'd be getting lie the #4 pick back ourselves.

We wont be pickless, and its no lock houston, in the west, become a power house in 4 years. keep in mind they are saddled with walls contract, have no players, and owe their own picks the next few years as well. so they wont be getting high lotto picks anytime soon to rebuild and they dont have tons of cap either.

They owe 4 firsts to OKC, including their 2021 first.

The rockets will actually have no 2021 first, since the first pick we owe them (a 2021 swap) wont convey.

The boston situation was awful not just because we ended up sucking, but they got good fast through the draft and the picks we got from them in the swap were int he 20s.

The rockets cant build through the draft with lotto picks because they owe theirs to OKC. even if we suck and send them our pick, they would suck slightly less and give us lotto picks back

[mcscotty]

Got me thinking about Pierce and Garnett.

[Prokorov]

We need a backup PG and we need a big. I think Tyler Johnson when he gets back can be a solid backup PG, while Brown and Shamet play some spot minutes there.

Gotta find a diamond in the rough big though imo.

You guys thought this defense was painful to watch before? LOL, check it out without Allen now, and with DJ getting the majority of the minutes now.

I forgot about Tyler. He should be OK as a backup. With everyone healthy, we can run 48 minutes of either Kyrie or Harden at PG. So it's not a big deal. Brown/TJ are fine for emergencies.

Center is the big story. I don't know where we find a starting caliber center. We just need someone that won't kill us lol

I think Kyle O'quinn is a FA still. id kick the tire son him

[CalamityX12]

I was really hoping we didnt trade for Harden. We basically mortgaged our future again for a 4 year title window. I'm not even sure Harden makes us THAT much better. Our defense will be downgraded and we have to outscore our opponent every time

1) a "4 year title window" is like, the holy grail of the NBA. some teams going 10, 20,30 years without a 1 year title window. And you mortgage the future for that 100 times out of 100. but also...

2) we arent actually morgaging the future:
-it nots actually at picks. its at most 6.
-One of the picks is from the cavs not us, so thats 7 owed from us
-one of those 7 is a pick swap this year. 0.0% change rockets are better then us this year

of those 6 picks:
'23, '25, '27 pick swaps
'22,'24 '26 picks outright sent

odds are still high that at least the 2023 swap doesnt convey. and the ones that do convey, we still get picks back in those swaps. 2022 should be a lousy pick... we can likely buy a pick similar to where we would have drafted.

when all is said and done we lose:
-2022 pick that is mid to late 20's, we can buy a pick in that range
-2024 pick, probably 20s also, maybe teens, unlikely lotto
-2026 pick, unknown call it lotto
-2027 pick, unknown, call it lotto

So 2 lotto picks plus 2 picks in the 20s. and a center due a big payday. im not going to include levert who will be 30+ once this window ends as ":the future".

thats hardly mortgaging much. especially when we have cemented ourselves as a destination for stars and a place that takes care of our stars. we may not have picks but once that window ends and we have the cap we can sign or trade for more stars.

When you put it that way, it doesn’t sound so bad....

Hope we keep these guys for yr 3 into their deals.... Though Harden idk if he has option.

So the MLE? Who we use it on? Maybe MKG? For defensive purposes?

[Prokorov]

in reality we did max our players values out and got a former mvp so we do have 3 top 10 players now, it just is a gamble with how we have chemistry issues, but id rather go for it now. allen and levert have major potential and it hurts to lose them but we keep joe harris and dinwiddie. the picks arent as relevant in my mind. we have a big 3

These guys have played before....

Kyrie, KD, Harden, DJ all played on the USA team together. Harden/KD/DJ together 3 times. Joe Harris this last US team with Harden and Kyrie.

Kyrie/KD clicked in the short time so far this year. and KD/Harden went to a finals together and harris/Kyrie did too.

so there is some familiarity

[Prokorov]

Knock on wood, the other good thing about this is that Harden is an iron man that plays huge minutes...we've wanted to handle KD and Kyrie with kid gloves, don't really need to do that with Harden.

Kyrie needs to buy into playing off ball for sure when he gets back.

Kyrie just lost every single piece of leverage that he had with this franchise. He is irrelevant now, this is KD's team. You think Durant didn't sign off on this?

The prick can sit home and do zoom meetings all he wants now. It won't be long before the Nets start to take his money. He can either buy in and be gone.

Kyrie didnt need leverage. He asking anything of the team and the team supports him. The Nets wont take his money. Legally they cant fine him for an excused absence. if they ask him to come, he can go on medical leave, but they wont since... you know, they support him. he has bought in. the idea someone cant miss time due to personal reasons and mental health is absurd. this isnt north korea

[Prokorov]

Why is everyone saying we didn’t give up much. I would agree had it been levert Allen prince and a couple of picks. Take out the players we traded seven first round picks for one player. It’s championship or bust now. And too be honest with this team it’s gonna be bust unless they make more moves to bring in a better center. And better defense.

its 6 picks not 7. 2021 is a pick swap which wont convey.

3 of those picks are pick swaps. its unlikely houston is good for a very long time. they are saddled with Walls contract and they owe all their own first rounders to OKC so they cant build through the draft. they wont become a contender overnight from our picks we give them in the 20's.

Genius part of this deal is over half the picks we gave them are swaps and they are going to be really in a bind to get out of the lotto for a long time since they dont own their own picks.