Randle vs. Porzingis

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Re: Randle vs. Porzingis 

Post#21 » by Leslie Forman » Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:55 pm

RoxSteady wrote:Probably playing better D

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Re: Randle vs. Porzingis 

Post#22 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:56 pm

urgal wrote:Tank commander vs. Unicorn.

Hard decision.

It’s not like the unicorn led the Knicks to the playoffs. Very easy decision if you look at the numbers and eye test. Randle all day.
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Re: Randle vs. Porzingis 

Post#23 » by matt6715 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:59 pm

I have to give a ton of credit to Randle for continuing to improve and expand his game, but in the construct of the Mavs, no regrets with the trade. Porzingis and Randle together would be a hell of a complementary frontcourt though.
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Re: Randle vs. Porzingis 

Post#24 » by E-Balla » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:00 pm

Factoring in the contract Randle laps KP. His contract is terrible given the fact that he doesn't play.
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Re: Randle vs. Porzingis 

Post#25 » by E-Balla » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:00 pm

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Randle's defense has been solid. Thibs has these guys playing hard and competing. Last night's game would've been a 40 point blowout last year.
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Post#26 » by Karate Diop » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:01 pm

KP always hurt. Randle easy to exploit. It's painfully obvious what dude is going to do on the court and it's why he can't be one of your top guys if you're about getting W's... Everything is telegraphed. He'll get his on bunches but dude folds like paper in critical moments. Turnover, dumb shot, etc.
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Post#27 » by J_T » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:02 pm

Knicks are Knicks. Nobody leads Knicks to the playoffs. Franchise that spent most money on tax and got least wins out of that tax. Mavs on the other hand organization that spent second most money on tax and I think has second or third best record in last 15-20 years.

There is no light at the end of the tunnel for the Knicks, I'm afraid. Their fans are still not interested about winning it all. If they were interested, they would boycott Knicks games for a long time now. But no, they prefer talking crap about which one of their players is better than some other player.
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Post#28 » by Swish1906 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:17 pm

Wake me up when Randle is playing winning ball on a team that isnt one of the worst teams in the league.

And yes, i expect the Knicks to be again a bottom 4 team in the east.

Randle needs to prove that he can play great within a winning system. There is a reason why the Mavs had never any interest in him, even with him being from Dallas
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Re: Randle vs. Porzingis 

Post#29 » by Dave DaButcher » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:18 pm

Karate Diop wrote:KP always hurt. Randle easy to exploit. It's painfully obvious what dude is going to do on the court and it's why he can't be one of your top guys if you're about getting W's... Everything is telegraphed. He'll get his on bunches but dude folds like paper in critical moments. Turnover, dumb shot, etc.

Perhaps. But at least Randle doesn’t take off for “personal days”.
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Re: Randle vs. Porzingis 

Post#30 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:23 pm

People saying he’s putting up empty stats hasn’t watched any Knicks games.
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Re: Randle vs. Porzingis 

Post#31 » by PhilBlackson » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:24 pm

If Porzingis is healthy, no, I'm still quite clearly taking him over Randle.
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Post#32 » by urgal » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:41 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:People saying he’s putting up empty stats hasn’t watched any Knicks games.

It's empty stats because he's doing it for a non-playoff team in the east that can force-feed him the ball.

Just like he has always only been putting up big numbers on bad teams. That's just the player he is.
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Re: Randle vs. Porzingis 

Post#33 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:44 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:People saying he’s putting up empty stats hasn’t watched any Knicks games.

It's empty stats because he's doing it for a non-playoff team in the east that can force-feed him the ball.

Just like he has always only been putting up big numbers on bad teams. That's just the player he is.

No. An empty stats player is a player who doesn’t make his team better. He led the Knicks to our best start since 2013 with the hardest schedule in the league. It’s not his fault the Knicks have bums around him.
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Re: Randle vs. Porzingis 

Post#34 » by RoxSteady » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:46 pm

J_T wrote:Knicks are Knicks. Nobody leads Knicks to the playoffs. Franchise that spent most money on tax and got least wins out of that tax. Mavs on the other hand organization that spent second most money on tax and I think has second or third best record in last 15-20 years.

There is no light at the end of the tunnel for the Knicks, I'm afraid. Their fans are still not interested about winning it all. If they were interested, they would boycott Knicks games for a long time now. But no, they prefer talking crap about which one of their players is better than some other player.


Swish1906 wrote:Wake me up when Randle is playing winning ball on a team that isnt one of the worst teams in the league.

And yes, i expect the Knicks to be again a bottom 4 team in the east.

Randle needs to prove that he can play great within a winning system. There is a reason why the Mavs had never any interest in him, even with him being from Dallas


It's easy and maybe even fair to say everything will go badly because it's the Knicks. IMO, the Thibodeau hire was a good one as no one on the team has done enough in their career to push back and has bought into his system. The jury is still very much out on Leon Rose and Scott Perry but they are definitely progress from the horror shows of Scott Layden, Isiah Thomas, Phil Jackson, and Steve Mills.

I think it's possible to have a good team with a terrible owner, but until the Knicks prove it (beyond that sweet 2012-2013 season), it's only reasonable to expect people will expect nothing from this team.
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Re: Randle vs. Porzingis 

Post#35 » by RandlesCornrows » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:47 pm

Randle for me. If Porzingis was healthy I’d rather KP. His contract is going to limit the Mavericks since he can’t stay healthy. Just my honest opinion. KP’s in the better situation with Luka though.
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Re: Randle vs. Porzingis 

Post#36 » by NY 567 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:49 pm

Randle has been great, but Porzingis can spread the floor at the 5, is one of the best defensive anchors in the game, and you can't teach 7'3. And if we're going by recent play, Porzingis in the bubble and in Feb and early March was putting up massive numbers.
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Post#37 » by urgal » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:52 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:No. An empty stats player is a player who doesn’t make his team better. He led the Knicks to our best start since 2013 with the hardest schedule in the league. It’s not his fault the Knicks have bums around him.

He led them to a 5-7 record. It's not like they could've been so much worse without him.

And if he's some all star-calibre player why do you think the Knicks out of all teams were able to land him in the first place?
Remember teams weren't really lining up for him. Are all the GMs just unable to evaluate talent?

But if that doesn't convince you I'm glad the Knicks finally landed a star player and I don't wanna take away your pleasure of talking yourself into Julius freaking Randle.
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Re: Randle vs. Porzingis 

Post#38 » by aguiar95 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:54 pm

This is comical. There's no debate. Just let it go. It's over. He's not comming back. Stop with the hate. Your front office blew it. Move on. Next it will be Rivers x Doncic. C'mon.
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Re: Randle vs. Porzingis 

Post#39 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:55 pm

urgal wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:No. An empty stats player is a player who doesn’t make his team better. He led the Knicks to our best start since 2013 with the hardest schedule in the league. It’s not his fault the Knicks have bums around him.

He led them to a 5-7 record. It's not like they could've been so much worse without him.

And if he's some all star-calibre player why do you think the Knicks out of all teams were able to land him in the first place?
Remember teams weren't really lining up for him. Are all the GMs just unable to evaluate talent?

But if that doesn't convince you I'm glad the Knicks finally landed a star player and I don't wanna take away your pleasure of talking yourself into Julius freaking Randle.

5-3 is our best since 2013. Everything has gone downhill since then but it’s not his fault.

And yes. The Knicks actually are much worse without him. Go look at the tweets I posted. It’s pretty obvious you haven’t watched any Knicks games. Keep exposing yourself. :lol:
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Re: Randle vs. Porzingis 

Post#40 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:56 pm

aguiar95 wrote:This is comical. There's no debate. Just let it go. It's over. He's not comming back. Stop with the hate. Your front office blew it. Move on.

Most Knicks fans don’t even care about KP anymore. Randle has been much better. But thanks for your input!
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