The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV

6ers83 · Post #1341 » by **6ers83** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:45 pm

If Washington was dumb enough to trade Bradley Beal for Ben Simmons this is what I would do. I doubt it - I don’t think Ben Simmons is looked upon that highly in the NBA anymore. It’s obvious he has a poor work ethic.

underpressure · Post #1342 » by **underpressure** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:49 pm

I share some scepticism about Simmons but yet there was a time past season when he played like a top 15-20 player before he got injured. If you can somehow replicate this type of play, we are still in a very good shape - with or without a jumper.

BigSleep333 · Post #1343 » by **BigSleep333** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:51 pm

i dont think he has a poor work ethic. he just isnt talented enough at basketball. i think he would be a better quarterback tbh. he doesnt have to have touch like an average basketball player has to. just fire the ball to his next man is what hes best at.

or maybe he could add 100 pounds and become a 2nd shaq? would fit his talents better

Post #1344 » by **Stanford** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:53 pm

6ers83 wrote:It’s obvious he has a poor work ethic.

I do not think he has a poor work ethic.

6ers83 · Post #1345 » by **6ers83** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:57 pm

Stanford wrote:
6ers83 wrote:It’s obvious he has a poor work ethic.

I do not think he has a poor work ethic.

You could be right but the guy has not improved since high school that tells me he’s not working on his game. There’s nothing he does better now than he did the first day he stepped on NBA court. So he goes out and shoots a half hour a day and has someone record the shots that go in. That’s not work.

BigSleep333 · Post #1346 » by **BigSleep333** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:03 pm

6ers83 wrote:
Stanford wrote:
6ers83 wrote:It’s obvious he has a poor work ethic.

I do not think he has a poor work ethic.

You could be right but the guy has not improved since high school that tells me he’s not working on his game. There’s nothing he does better now than he did the first day he stepped on NBA court. So he goes out and shoots a half hour a day and has someone record the shots that go in. That’s not work.

what ya gonna do if you cant improve but trying hard? for some people its impossible to shoot free throws...they are pros and some of them just cant improve. they do nothing but try to improve but still cant. i never played organized basketball and still can hit 70% from the line even when not touching a bball for 8 months. something is wrong with their hand/eye/muscle coordination and lack of touch. whatever it is, ben will never learn to shoot, just like shaq and many others

Zumramania · Post #1347 » by **Zumramania** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:12 pm

We don't know how much he shoots or practices. Yet there are only a few possibilities: either he doesn't practice enough/has had bad shooting coaches all the time or he is simply not talented at shooting. I'm pretty confident a fair portion of people in this forum could learn to shoot well enough to hit e.g. 10 three pointers in a row in practice as we have seen him do. However, there is world of difference between that and actually shooting in an NBA game.

So I would bet that he is simply not talented at shooting or he chose a wrong shooting hand at the beginning of his career.

Post #1348 » by **Stanford** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:36 pm

I think he works hard at the things he works on. He just hasn't figured out how he can use or change his game to affect offense in a positive way. He may not, in fact, *gasp*, be a basketball genius after all.

KramerDSP · Post #1349 » by **KramerDSP** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:46 pm

I am expecting a triple double from Ben Simmons tonight.

NBA Moses · Post #1350 » by **NBA Moses** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:53 pm

6ers83 wrote:If Washington was dumb enough to trade Bradley Beal for Ben Simmons this is what I would do. I doubt it - I don’t think Ben Simmons is looked upon that highly in the NBA anymore. It’s obvious he has a poor work ethic.

Ben Simmons is rated ahead of Bradley Beale by just about every sports publication that covers the NBA.

If anything Sixers should get Beale + since Simmons is a few years younger.

These are the highest ranked young players in the NBA.

Doncic
Tatum
Embiid
Simmons
Booker
Mitchell
Jamal Murray

rzzzzz · Post #1351 » by **rzzzzz** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:55 pm

Ben will never develop confidence on the long ball. It’s too late to switch him over to his dominant hand. But there is no reason why he couldn’t shoot short ones in the paint. And not driving through contact to the rim? C’mon Ben, you’re a big kid.

DCasey91 · Post #1352 » by **DCasey91** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:14 pm

Ben would have made a freak AFL player in my mind.

I’m Australian and its our crazy national sport (check it out if you have time it’s wild even at the best of times lol.)

Played it myself, was actually handy (was apart of two grand final wins, our championship games in juniors.)

Played back pocket on small forwards and if you know small forwards in the AFL they are SMALL lmao. but after a couple of Ko’s, the worst injury I ever had and a couple a hammies I was like nope I’m way too small/slight to be doing this lol.

I reckon a suped up Grundy/Polly Farmer would be his comp. he was a touted as a top ten pick but if hhe played state lvl he’d go top 3 easy.

Ben just doesn’t have the skills of other big men (Hooks, floaters, small middies) down before even attempting harder skilled moves.

He has a worse range than Shaq I reckon at 4.48 feet for his career.

He still hasn’t had that one move that everyone in the nba has and can’t replicate it on a consistent basis although he hasn’t even really tried too. Mainly because of himself and management saying it’s okay we like what you’re doing.

It’s unfortunate but that’s the reality moving forward with him.

Post #1353 » by **Stanford** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:20 pm

KramerDSP wrote:I am expecting a triple double from Ben Simmons tonight.

I'm expecting him to dribble into the paint with no plan

6ers83 · Post #1354 » by **6ers83** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:24 pm

KramerDSP wrote:I am expecting a triple double from Ben Simmons tonight.

10 missed shots
10 missed FT
10 turnovers

?

Bum Adebayo · Post #1355 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:42 pm

What on earth is this **** I am hearing about him not being talented enough? seriously guys, just get your eyes checked. Simmons is, at minimum, a top 10 talent in NBA, for instance, he is much more talented than Jimmy Butler for example, yet he is a much worse player.
Simmons does work on some things, but none of them are related to his deficiencies. For instance, he is very good at being in shape or training in gym. The skills he needs are the skills he is not interested much about, like shooting either from the perimeter or from FT line.
Talent is the things that you cannot teach. You cannot teach being 6'11 with elite quickness, smoothness and strength, nor being 6'11 with elite passing, vision, playmaking and handles. These things are either not possible to improve, or very little. Shooting is a thing that can be taught, at least more so relative to the things I previously mentioned. Attacking the rim is a mentality thing that can be ingrained more than the others too.
So yeah, he just doesn't want it enough, and this is why he should be criticized. You can't criticize TJ Mcconnell for not being better, his talent is the limiting factor here. You can absolute criticize Ben Simmons, his talent is NOT the limiting factor.

DCasey91 · Post #1356 » by **DCasey91** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:52 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:What on earth is this **** I am hearing about him not being talented enough? seriously guys, just get your eyes checked. Simmons is, at minimum, a top 10 talent in NBA, for instance, he is much more talented than Jimmy Butler for example, yet he is a much worse player.
Simmons does work on some things, but none of them are related to his deficiencies. For instance, he is very good at being in shape or training in gym. The skills he needs are the skills he is not interested much about, like shooting either from the perimeter or from FT line.
Talent is the things that you cannot teach. You cannot teach being 6'11 with elite quickness, smoothness and strength, nor being 6'11 with elite passing, vision, playmaking and handles. These things are either not possible to improve, or very little. Shooting is a thing that can be taught, at least more so relative to the things I previously mentioned. Attacking the rim is a mentality thing that can be ingrained more than the others too.
So yeah, he just doesn't want it enough, and this is why he should be criticized. You can't criticize TJ Mcconnell for not being better, his talent is the limiting factor here. You can absolute criticize Ben Simmons, his talent is NOT the limiting factor.

Being/playing sports all my life talent gets you in the door and only so far and that’s it. Development of your skills and rounding out your game and realizing your potential to its greatest degree is so much more important than just talent and talent alone.

Post #1357 » by **Stanford** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:58 pm

Ben Simmons does not have elite handles. Come onnnnnnn

VDT · Post #1358 » by **VDT** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:02 pm

Shooting touch is a talent, not simply an acquired skill, touch around the rim is the same, being long, being a fluid athlete or having body control is also some things that cant change. Simmons is tall and is fast while having exceptional passing vision and dribbling for his size. Yet he also has talent flaws like the ones mentioned, he is not someone that can dominate just through his athleticism, even better athletes than him could not. People mention Shaq as the most physically dominant yet he had much better touch around the rim than Simmons and was a more fluid athlete. Without these he wouldnt be nearly as dominant. Simmons appears to be the rare exception without either a shooting touch or at least a touch around the rim with one handed shots. It is very hard to be a good scorer consistently without these, especially in the half court.

No-Man · Post #1359 » by **No-Man** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:42 pm

76ciology wrote:Actually. What the insider in clutchcity said is they are looking to stay competitive because they dont have their own pick.

Rox is not rebuilding. Rox is just doing what the Celts did. Remember when Celts were competing with Evan Turner and Jared Sullinger? This is where they are right now.

There’s no incentive for then to rebuild and tank. They’ll compete now while developing young players with their picks.

The C's could do that cause they have the Nets top3 picks coming

The Rockets don't, and they keep their pick if it ends up top4

Bum Adebayo · Post #1360 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:04 am

Simmons can absolutely be a better score than he is, however he doesn't like contact much, so he avoids attacking to the rim frequently. It also has to do with him not wanting to go to FT line, but that is because he doesn't practice FT shots much.
His touch is not great, but the problem is that he doesn't even try. I would have more sympathy for him if he tries to improve, tries to shoot in games but fails miserably, and tries to score more by attacking the rim. That is not the case however, as he prefers others to fail to score instead of being him the one that may fail.
It is his mentality and lack of trying that should make it clear this is not a player to build around. He is clearly capable of much more, but if he isn't interested, then we cannot waste more time, Embiid is in his prime NOW, and I doubt he will be the same player 4 years from now, so lets not waste his prime.
Maybe we trade him to another team that surrounds him with shooters and a shot creator and Simmons looks amazing. Ok, so what, good for him, we need to do the best for our team, and he is not what will make us great.