Dipo to Heat

[Bentley1225]

Iggy/Silva/2022 Philly or Denver 2nd/2025 1st..............Get it done!

[psman2]

I understand but I think if the Heat are serious about throwing 30m plus at Dipo in the offseason then the trade avenue is a much better path to take for the reasons you and I stated.

A pick swap that has a high likelihood of not conveying and Nunn won't get it done in my opinion. I have Houston holding out for at least a 1st or Achiuwa, using Tucker to sweeten the pot.

I'll give the first. Not Achiuwa.

Isn't the first pick they can trade 2025 and only if they get OKc to make the 2023 pick unprotected? They'd have to vbe very weak protections for houston to do that and that seems... unwise.

Plus with OKC having the right to swap the Houston pick with the Miami pick should be represented here. Houston has a vested interest in not making Miami a better team and receiving a worse Miami pick back in that swap. Add Olidipo to Miami and if it clicks Miami's pick might go from the 15-20 range to 23-27 range after this trade. Nunn alone might not even represent that value change in the pick swap.

[MasterIchiro]

I want the Hornets to try to get in on Oladipo using Rozier plus a lottery protected first rounder. I think that's comparable to Levert.

[BBallFreak]

I understand but I think if the Heat are serious about throwing 30m plus at Dipo in the offseason then the trade avenue is a much better path to take for the reasons you and I stated.

A pick swap that has a high likelihood of not conveying and Nunn won't get it done in my opinion. I have Houston holding out for at least a 1st or Achiuwa, using Tucker to sweeten the pot.

I'll give the first. Not Achiuwa.

Isn't the first pick they can trade 2025 and only if they get OKc to make the 2023 pick unprotected? They'd have to vbe very weak protections for houston to do that and that seems... unwise.

No, you're wrong. We can draft in the first round again in 2022. We trade you future considerations and then we draft a first in 2022. We then forward the player to you. All we have to do is draft. We don't have to keep the player...

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

I want the Hornets to try to get in on Oladipo using Rozier plus a lottery protected first rounder. I think that's comparable to Levert.

Doesn't make sense at all for the Rockets. They don't want future salary, which is a big reason why it is believed they wanted Oladipo over LeVert, but also, they already have John Wall and don't need Rozier.

[gom]

OP's offer is good for the Heat. Maybe Nunn to OKC to unprotect the 2023 pick and send Okpala and a 2025 FRP to Houston to get it done? I am not a huge fan of Oladipo either, but his defense would be quite welcome, his bird rights simplify the Heat's plans, and Victor looks like he has his bounce back (maybe a little slower but that's expected). He still has great hands and is disruptive. I feel a Herro-Oladipo-Butler backcourt with Dragic coming off the bench is pretty solid.

To reiterate:

Houston trades Oladipo to Miami

for

Iggy, Okpala, and 2025 FRP.

Miami trades Nunn to OKC to take protections from 2023 FRP.

Good for everyone. OKC's Miami pick becomes better currency.

[BBallFreak]

OP's offer is good for the Heat. Maybe Nunn to OKC to unprotect the 2023 pick and send Okpala and a 2025 FRP to Houston to get it done? I am not a huge fan of Oladipo either, but his defense would be quite welcome, his bird rights simplify the Heat's plans, and Victor looks like he has his bounce back (maybe a little slower but that's expected). He still has great hands and is disruptive. I feel a Herro-Oladipo-Butler backcourt with Dragic coming off the bench is pretty solid.

To reiterate:

Houston trades Oladipo to Miami

for

Iggy, Okpala, and 2025 FRP.

Miami trades Nunn to OKC to take protections from 2023 FRP.

Good for everyone. OKC's Miami pick becomes better currency.

That's about where I'm at, too. I wouldn't really be looking to give up more. When you factor in that we also have Robinson and Vincent off the bench with Dragic, you gotta love our perimeter depth. Keeping Kelly and Achiuwa to compliment Bam puts us in a pretty good position in the frontcourt. I hate to give up Okpala as I feel he'll be pretty good, but you have to give to get, I suppose. It's just a matter of what you're willing to give. Achiuwa isn't who I'm willing to give...

[MoneyTalks41890]

OP's offer is good for the Heat. Maybe Nunn to OKC to unprotect the 2023 pick and send Okpala and a 2025 FRP to Houston to get it done? I am not a huge fan of Oladipo either, but his defense would be quite welcome, his bird rights simplify the Heat's plans, and Victor looks like he has his bounce back (maybe a little slower but that's expected). He still has great hands and is disruptive. I feel a Herro-Oladipo-Butler backcourt with Dragic coming off the bench is pretty solid.

To reiterate:

Houston trades Oladipo to Miami

for

Iggy, Okpala, and 2025 FRP.

Miami trades Nunn to OKC to take protections from 2023 FRP.

Good for everyone. OKC's Miami pick becomes better currency.

I'm not very popular for this, but as I said during Harden trade ideas I think OKC might just agree to the removal of the protections in their own self interest (I don't think Nunn does a lot for OKC and wouldn't get brought back). Moving Dipo for lesser pieces makes the chance of the 2021 Houston pick ending up as a decent lotto pick, rather than mid teens, a lot better. And yes the Miami pick might go from 20 to 25, or something like that, but I think on balance it's better for OKC. Also a multi year protected pick is more likely to convey as a late pick, and the unprotected pick has the shot, even if very unlikely that something like injury happens, to be a good pick.

[gom]

OP's offer is good for the Heat. Maybe Nunn to OKC to unprotect the 2023 pick and send Okpala and a 2025 FRP to Houston to get it done? I am not a huge fan of Oladipo either, but his defense would be quite welcome, his bird rights simplify the Heat's plans, and Victor looks like he has his bounce back (maybe a little slower but that's expected). He still has great hands and is disruptive. I feel a Herro-Oladipo-Butler backcourt with Dragic coming off the bench is pretty solid.

To reiterate:

Houston trades Oladipo to Miami

for

Iggy, Okpala, and 2025 FRP.

Miami trades Nunn to OKC to take protections from 2023 FRP.

Good for everyone. OKC's Miami pick becomes better currency.

That's about where I'm at, too. I wouldn't really be looking to give up more. When you factor in that we also have Robinson and Vincent off the bench with Dragic, you gotta love our perimeter depth. Keeping Kelly and Achiuwa to compliment Bam puts us in a pretty good position in the frontcourt. I hate to give up Okpala as I feel he'll be pretty good, but you have to give to get, I suppose. It's just a matter of what you're willing to give. Achiuwa isn't who I'm willing to give...

Yeah, that's where I'm at too. I hate to give up Okpala, and I know Spo & Pat are high on him too. But it will take a while for him to develop, and the Heat will need to get stronger now with the Nets reinforcing. Nets are going to be so tough in the postseason. In any case, this season is going to be fun.

For now though, I guess we have Herro, Robinson, Iggy, Olynyk, Achiuwa, Vincent (hurt), Silva, Strus, & Leonard (who can dress but not play) against the 76ers. Hurray.

[gom]

OP's offer is good for the Heat. Maybe Nunn to OKC to unprotect the 2023 pick and send Okpala and a 2025 FRP to Houston to get it done? I am not a huge fan of Oladipo either, but his defense would be quite welcome, his bird rights simplify the Heat's plans, and Victor looks like he has his bounce back (maybe a little slower but that's expected). He still has great hands and is disruptive. I feel a Herro-Oladipo-Butler backcourt with Dragic coming off the bench is pretty solid.

To reiterate:

Houston trades Oladipo to Miami

for

Iggy, Okpala, and 2025 FRP.

Miami trades Nunn to OKC to take protections from 2023 FRP.

Good for everyone. OKC's Miami pick becomes better currency.

I'm not very popular for this, but as I said during Harden trade ideas I think OKC might just agree to the removal of the protections in their own self interest (I don't think Nunn does a lot for OKC and wouldn't get brought back). Moving Dipo for lesser pieces makes the chance of the 2021 Houston pick ending up as a decent lotto pick, rather than mid teens, a lot better. And yes the Miami pick might go from 20 to 25, or something like that, but I think on balance it's better for OKC. Also a multi year protected pick is more likely to convey as a late pick, and the unprotected pick has the shot, even if very unlikely that something like injury happens, to be a good pick.

Well, Miami could at least send a second. I'd rather keep Okpala or Nunn. Nunn isn't loved on the RealGM board but I sure wish he could play tonight. Okpala, for that matter, too. The main problem I see for Nunn is that if he gets his season together, he will need to be paid (similar to Derrick Jones Jr last season) and the money won't work out.

[K_chile22]

I'll give the first. Not Achiuwa.

Isn't the first pick they can trade 2025 and only if they get OKc to make the 2023 pick unprotected? They'd have to vbe very weak protections for houston to do that and that seems... unwise.

No, you're wrong. We can draft in the first round again in 2022. We trade you future considerations and then we draft a first in 2022. We then forward the player to you. All we have to do is draft. We don't have to keep the player...

That's not how it works. You cannot do that until after the pick is made. What you're describing is a wink wink deal that the rockets would have to wait two years to receive and would obviously get shut down by the league. That's not an option.

[BBallFreak]

Isn't the first pick they can trade 2025 and only if they get OKc to make the 2023 pick unprotected? They'd have to vbe very weak protections for houston to do that and that seems... unwise.

No, you're wrong. We can draft in the first round again in 2022. We trade you future considerations and then we draft a first in 2022. We then forward the player to you. All we have to do is draft. We don't have to keep the player...

That's not how it works. You cannot do that until after the pick is made. What you're describing is a wink wink deal that the rockets would have to wait two years to receive and would obviously get shut down by the league. That's not an option.

I don't think you're correct on that, but I don't really care that much. I'm still not giving up Achiuwa for someone who wants to be here, while we have the cash to make it happen. Dipo would be a nice culture fit and he clearly wants to be here, but since we have the flexibility to just make him an offer, I see no need to give up more than we want for his services, now.

Sorry, that's just how I feel...

[Scoot McGroot]

I'll give the first. Not Achiuwa.

Isn't the first pick they can trade 2025 and only if they get OKc to make the 2023 pick unprotected? They'd have to vbe very weak protections for houston to do that and that seems... unwise.

No, you're wrong. We can draft in the first round again in 2022. We trade you future considerations and then we draft a first in 2022. We then forward the player to you. All we have to do is draft. We don't have to keep the player...

You can’t trade undescribed “future considerations” in the NBA. You have to spell out exactly what you’re trading on the league trade call when you make the deal. As such, at this time, you cannot trade the 2022 1st at all.

Yes, Miami will draft in 2022, and then could trade whom they drafted after that happens. But they can’t trade that now. They can only make that trade in 2022 after the draft ends. At this point in time, Miami can’t trade a 1st that is earlier than 2025 with the caveat that it can’t convey until 2 years after a 1st is conveyed to OKC.

[K_chile22]

No, you're wrong. We can draft in the first round again in 2022. We trade you future considerations and then we draft a first in 2022. We then forward the player to you. All we have to do is draft. We don't have to keep the player...

That's not how it works. You cannot do that until after the pick is made. What you're describing is a wink wink deal that the rockets would have to wait two years to receive and would obviously get shut down by the league. That's not an option.

I don't think you're correct on that, but I don't really care that much. I'm still not giving up Achiuwa for someone who wants to be here, while we have the cash to make it happen. Dipo would be a nice culture fit and he clearly wants to be here, but since we have the flexibility to just make him an offer, I see no need to give up more than we want for his services, now.

Sorry, that's just how I feel...

Nope, you're absolutely wrong on that. That defeats the entire purpose of the stepian rule lol "instead of trading the pick I will simply trade a player that I do not have" is not how it works. Ok, cool. You can have that opinion, if it's not Achiuwa its a 2025 first with skimpy protections or you can try and sign him

[BBallFreak]

That's not how it works. You cannot do that until after the pick is made. What you're describing is a wink wink deal that the rockets would have to wait two years to receive and would obviously get shut down by the league. That's not an option.

I don't think you're correct on that, but I don't really care that much. I'm still not giving up Achiuwa for someone who wants to be here, while we have the cash to make it happen. Dipo would be a nice culture fit and he clearly wants to be here, but since we have the flexibility to just make him an offer, I see no need to give up more than we want for his services, now.

Sorry, that's just how I feel...

Nope, you're absolutely wrong on that. That defeats the entire purpose of the stepian rule lol "instead of trading the pick I will simply trade a player that I do not have" is not how it works. Ok, cool. You can have that opinion, if it's not Achiuwa its a 2025 first with skimpy protections or you can try and sign him

I don't even really want to sign him. That's what you're not getting. This guy isn't a floor spacer. One of the things that has worked so well for us is our spacing around Butler and Bam. It's why Crowder, Leonard, and Olynyk have started at power forward and Robinson started on the perimeter. Now you give me a guy who is about average as a three point shooter and we essentially have to restructure the entire offense. No thank you!

[Scoot McGroot]

I don't think you're correct on that, but I don't really care that much. I'm still not giving up Achiuwa for someone who wants to be here, while we have the cash to make it happen. Dipo would be a nice culture fit and he clearly wants to be here, but since we have the flexibility to just make him an offer, I see no need to give up more than we want for his services, now.

Sorry, that's just how I feel...

Nope, you're absolutely wrong on that. That defeats the entire purpose of the stepian rule lol "instead of trading the pick I will simply trade a player that I do not have" is not how it works. Ok, cool. You can have that opinion, if it's not Achiuwa its a 2025 first with skimpy protections or you can try and sign him

I don't even really want to sign him. That's what you're not getting. This guy isn't a floor spacer. One of the things that has worked so well for us is our spacing around Butler and Bam. It's why Crowder, Leonard, and Olynyk have started at power forward and Robinson started on the perimeter. Now you give me a guy who is about average as a three point shooter and we essentially have to restructure the entire offense. No thank you!

He’s a career 35% shooter from 3, and 36% on massive volume this year. He definitely wouldn’t be a weakness in your offensive system and you wouldn’t have to restructure around him. He played a lot of off ball this year and accepted it and played well. You might not like him personally, but he’s not the player you might think he is.

[BBallFreak]

Nope, you're absolutely wrong on that. That defeats the entire purpose of the stepian rule lol "instead of trading the pick I will simply trade a player that I do not have" is not how it works. Ok, cool. You can have that opinion, if it's not Achiuwa its a 2025 first with skimpy protections or you can try and sign him

I don't even really want to sign him. That's what you're not getting. This guy isn't a floor spacer. One of the things that has worked so well for us is our spacing around Butler and Bam. It's why Crowder, Leonard, and Olynyk have started at power forward and Robinson started on the perimeter. Now you give me a guy who is about average as a three point shooter and we essentially have to restructure the entire offense. No thank you!

He’s a career 35% shooter from 3, and 36% on massive volume this year. He definitely wouldn’t be a weakness in your offensive system and you wouldn’t have to restructure around him. He played a lot of off ball this year and accepted it and played well. You might not like him personally, but he’s not the player you might think he is.

As I said in the other thread, he would be replacing one of the best shooters on the planet. Fine isn't good enough...

[K_chile22]

I don't think you're correct on that, but I don't really care that much. I'm still not giving up Achiuwa for someone who wants to be here, while we have the cash to make it happen. Dipo would be a nice culture fit and he clearly wants to be here, but since we have the flexibility to just make him an offer, I see no need to give up more than we want for his services, now.

Sorry, that's just how I feel...

Nope, you're absolutely wrong on that. That defeats the entire purpose of the stepian rule lol "instead of trading the pick I will simply trade a player that I do not have" is not how it works. Ok, cool. You can have that opinion, if it's not Achiuwa its a 2025 first with skimpy protections or you can try and sign him

I don't even really want to sign him. That's what you're not getting. This guy isn't a floor spacer. One of the things that has worked so well for us is our spacing around Butler and Bam. It's why Crowder, Leonard, and Olynyk have started at power forward and Robinson started on the perimeter. Now you give me a guy who is about average as a three point shooter and we essentially have to restructure the entire offense. No thank you!

You do know the point of the posts on here and my comments about the Heats available trade assets have nothing to do with some need for you, personally, to want Oladipo, correct?

[BBallFreak]

Nope, you're absolutely wrong on that. That defeats the entire purpose of the stepian rule lol "instead of trading the pick I will simply trade a player that I do not have" is not how it works. Ok, cool. You can have that opinion, if it's not Achiuwa its a 2025 first with skimpy protections or you can try and sign him

I don't even really want to sign him. That's what you're not getting. This guy isn't a floor spacer. One of the things that has worked so well for us is our spacing around Butler and Bam. It's why Crowder, Leonard, and Olynyk have started at power forward and Robinson started on the perimeter. Now you give me a guy who is about average as a three point shooter and we essentially have to restructure the entire offense. No thank you!

You do know the point of the posts on here and my comments about the Heats available trade assets have nothing to do with some need for you, personally, to want Oladipo, correct?

Then why are you continually quoting me and not one of the other half dozen Heat fans who have contributed to this thread? gom isn't willing to give up Achiuwa, either. Talk to him (sorry, gom)! He appears higher on Dipo than I am, and he isn't that high on him, either...

[gom]

Yeah, I would not trade Achiuwa either. I'm really not a fan of trading anyone from the front court, but I would definitely give up Okpala and a 2025 first to get the deal done for Oladipo (along with Nunn and expiring contracts.) The Heat and Rockets could also wait for the trade deadline for more flexibility. There is no particular hurry, but I'd rather have Dipo's bird rights so the Heat can go over cap.

I want to point out the obvious that BBallFreak likely represents the take of the Heat fans and FO more than I do, but even I see that Achiuwa fills a need for the team at a bargain cost. When Bam went down in the finals, the Heat did not have strength up front. Achiuwa is not untradeable by any means, but he does represent a value piece for the Heat at least, one I would not easily give up and not for Victor Oladipo (and yes, I am a fan... I like his perimeter defense. Smart player. Good fit. Etc).

To reiterate:

Houston trades Oladipo to Miami

for

Iggy, Nunn (OR Okpala), and 2025 FRP (maybe top 10 protected? I don't care much though.)

Miami trades a SRP(*) to OKC to take protections from 2023 FRP:
*2022 second round draft pick from Philadelphia or Denver (less favorable)


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Deal, right?

If Houston would rather not have Nunn or Okpala, they are not necessary for the trade. Iggy + FRP for Oladipo also works. Miami could do this deal with an unprotected pick to make it more valuable.