Best offers for Drummond

[Bentley1225]

Drummond for J.Johnson/Powell/Terry/2021 2nd/2022 2nd; Cavs waive Dean and Dellevedova.

The Cavs took on Prince's second year of $15M and they've got to pay Allen now. These deals where they're taking on future money for seconds aren't happening.

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Sure but ultimately Cavs won't do anything this off-season in terms of further additions beyond the draft and re-sign Allen in free agency.

Sexton/Terry
Garland/Okoro/Windler/Porter
Prince/Osman/1st
Love/Nance/Mavs 2nd
Allen/Powell

[mademan]

Drummond for J.Johnson/Powell/Terry/2021 2nd/2022 2nd; Cavs waive Dean and Dellevedova.

The Cavs took on Prince's second year of $15M and they've got to pay Allen now. These deals where they're taking on future money for seconds aren't happening.

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Sure but ultimately Cavs won't do anything this off-season in terms of further additions beyond the draft and re-sign Allen in free agency.

Sexton/Terry
Garland/Okoro/Windler/Porter
Prince/Osman/1st
Love/Nance/Mavs 2nd
Allen/Powell

Youre still having them taking on longer contracts for late 2nd rounders. Powell has 2 years left; Cavs are better off just letting Drummond expire

[jbk1234]

Drummond for J.Johnson/Powell/Terry/2021 2nd/2022 2nd; Cavs waive Dean and Dellevedova.

The Cavs took on Prince's second year of $15M and they've got to pay Allen now. These deals where they're taking on future money for seconds aren't happening.

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Sure but ultimately Cavs won't do anything this off-season in terms of further additions beyond the draft and re-sign Allen in free agency.

Sexton/Terry
Garland/Okoro/Windler/Porter
Prince/Osman/1st
Love/Nance/Mavs 2nd
Allen/Powell

I'd rather bring back McGee on a team friendly deal than be an over the cap team that flirts with the luxury tax after a full MLE signing - all for a second round picks.

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[cgf]

If Rozier & Randle keep up their form through the TDL, how about something like:

CHA: Rozier, Zeller, Monk <---> Drummond, DSJ
CLE: Garland, Drummond, Prince <---> Randle, Rozier, Monk, DAL FRP ('21)
NYK: Garland, Prince, Zeller <---> Randle, DSJ, DAL FRP ('21)

Hornets get their big man; Cavs get a point-forward to pair with Sexton, a capable veteran guard and a late first; Knicks lean into the tank by handing things over to the kids while hopefully adding a young PG to their core?

[MasterIchiro]

The more I think about it the more I think Charlotte passes on Drummond. Drummond's main draw is rebounding and LaMelo and Rozier like rebounding so they can push the floor, LaMelo specifically. I think Charlotte prefers a Myles Turner type (I know he's not available, just that type of player)

I agree. The Cavs jumped ahead of the Hornets to grab Allen. Nets weren't matching Allen but the Cavs will. He's really a great fit both in Charlotte and Cleveland. I think the Cavs are competitive for the 8 seed with Sexton - Garland - Okoro - Nance - Allen - Porter Jr. - Love - Osman - Prince plus presumably a lottery pick in the upcoming draft.

Hornets seem to be falling out of Mobley range so it's tough to imagine who will be the center who joins the young core. I don't think it's Drummond. For the money, I'm more intrigued by Portis and Zach Collins. Collins can do the things Turner does and will be tough for the Blazers to keep considering Trent Jr. Hope he can get healthy. Portis spreads the floor and can handle a nice dime from LaMelo. You're not paying for rebounds with him but you also don't get the rim protection you get with Turner or Z. Collins.

[tidho]

Drummond to Kings for Barnes and Parker(waived).

See, and this is important, the Cavs can just let him play out the season and realize cap space. So if we're eating future money, there has to be some value added. I might consider Barnes and Bagley for Drummond.

RIchaun Holmes remains underrated

Whiteside is teams backup

Barnes has been playing well this season. Well enough IMO to match his descending contract

I'd take Barnes (and his money) for Drummond in a heart beat if i'm CLE.

[MasterIchiro]

Interesting lineup I'd love to see is 4 guards and Allen. Sexton - Garland - KPJ - Okoro - Allen. I think Cavs could get away with it defensively, push the pace, space the floor and still rebound.

[VDT]

Drummond can be very useful on a limited role and at around 10 mil. I dont see why anyone would trade him now. He is not a good investment on his current salary and there is no way to know whether you can get him on a reasonable contract next year.

[Stillwater]

Drummond can be very useful on a limited role and at around 10 mil. I dont see why anyone would trade him now. He is not a good investment on his current salary and there is no way to know whether you can get him on a reasonable contract next year.

although it doesnt show up in the stat sheet he is playing defense like he never has before although it isnt consistently. He also is still not dunking enough when he could instead he opts for throws that are inconsistent but beyond that or some risky passes that are considered awesome when converted and stupid when not he is playing well this season and remains a dominant force on the boards.
He is obviously not worth his contract, but the expiring value is meaningful and his ability to crash the glass is always a welcome option for playoff rosters running thin on said archetypes. He will not make as much $ on his next deal, but it will be more than people say hes worth if he earns another all star invite which he is on course to doing right now.

[Stillwater]

Interesting lineup I'd love to see is 4 guards and Allen. Sexton - Garland - KPJ - Okoro - Allen. I think Cavs could get away with it defensively, push the pace, space the floor and still rebound.

yeah KPJ is MIA so sliding into a full smallball line up seems unlikely esp with Nance as the PF, O is defending the 3 or maybe the 2 with Garland and Sexton staggered heavily and rarely on the court together at this point. Love will be back soon too. If Dre is moved as a result of this deal I am guessing they get more than they gave up for him

[jbk1234]

If Rozier & Randle keep up their form through the TDL, how about something like:

CHA: Rozier, Zeller, Monk <---> Drummond, DSJ
CLE: Garland, Drummond, Prince <---> Randle, Rozier, Monk, DAL FRP ('21)
NYK: Garland, Prince, Zeller <---> Randle, DSJ, DAL FRP ('21)

Hornets get their big man; Cavs get a point-forward to pair with Sexton, a capable veteran guard and a late first; Knicks lean into the tank by handing things over to the kids while hopefully adding a young PG to their core?

The Cavs aren't trading Garland and we've already got Love.

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[pacers33granger]

I doubt anyone is giving anything for Drummond. If you want to move him just to clear the logjam, maybe you could find something. But he was traded at negative value last year and hasn't played well enough since then to change that valuation. His salary also makes it pretty difficult to find a match without taking on future money.

[cgf]

If Rozier & Randle keep up their form through the TDL, how about something like:

CHA: Rozier, Zeller, Monk <---> Drummond, DSJ
CLE: Garland, Drummond, Prince <---> Randle, Rozier, Monk, DAL FRP ('21)
NYK: Garland, Prince, Zeller <---> Randle, DSJ, DAL FRP ('21)

Hornets get their big man; Cavs get a point-forward to pair with Sexton, a capable veteran guard and a late first; Knicks lean into the tank by handing things over to the kids while hopefully adding a young PG to their core?

The Cavs aren't trading Garland and we've already got Love.

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...I totally forgot Kevin Love existed

[jbk1234]

I doubt anyone is giving anything for Drummond. If you want to move him just to clear the logjam, maybe you could find something. But he was traded at negative value last year and hasn't played well enough since then to change that valuation. His salary also makes it pretty difficult to find a match without taking on future money.

I mean this is just false. It's not arguable or a matter of opinion, it's false. The Cavs traded 30M in expiring contracts and added two second round picks. That's not negative value. He's putting up 18 and 15 this year.

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[pacers33granger]

I doubt anyone is giving anything for Drummond. If you want to move him just to clear the logjam, maybe you could find something. But he was traded at negative value last year and hasn't played well enough since then to change that valuation. His salary also makes it pretty difficult to find a match without taking on future money.

I mean this is just false. It's not arguable or a matter of opinion, it's false. The Cavs traded 30M in expiring contracts and added two second round picks. That's not negative value. He's putting up 18 and 15 this year.

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I recall it being one 2nd and can't find anything saying it was two 2nds. But you cannot seriously think that the expirings of Henson and Knight (both who are not in the league anymore and were unplayable last year) and two 2nds should be considered positive value.

And he's putting up those numbers on 46% shooting with 4 turnovers per game and poor advanced stats in basically every area except rebounding. He also had better numbers when traded by Detroit.

Good on him for not being a malcontent, but he does not have positive value. Doesn't mean he's a bad player, but he's not even close to being worth that contract.

[Richard4444]

Are you looking for longer bad deals and a pick?

I'm personally very cool with not taking on longer bad deals and letting him walk. But at this point, if a team like the Kings wanted to get off Barnes deal and attach some value, that's at least worth considering since he can play the three or the four.

Barnes is playing well lately. And Kings would not have a need for Drummond if they think Bagley could be the starter Center.

[Stillwater]

Are you looking for longer bad deals and a pick?

I'm personally very cool with not taking on longer bad deals and letting him walk. But at this point, if a team like the Kings wanted to get off Barnes deal and attach some value, that's at least worth considering since he can play the three or the four.

Barnes is playing well lately. And Kings would not have a need for Drummond if they think Bagley could be the starter Center.

Bagley is a bust

[jbk1234]

I doubt anyone is giving anything for Drummond. If you want to move him just to clear the logjam, maybe you could find something. But he was traded at negative value last year and hasn't played well enough since then to change that valuation. His salary also makes it pretty difficult to find a match without taking on future money.

I mean this is just false. It's not arguable or a matter of opinion, it's false. The Cavs traded 30M in expiring contracts and added two second round picks. That's not negative value. He's putting up 18 and 15 this year.

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I recall it being one 2nd and can't find anything saying it was two 2nds. But you cannot seriously think that the expirings of Henson and Knight (both who are not in the league anymore and were unplayable last year) and two 2nds should be considered positive value.

And he's putting up those numbers on 46% shooting with 4 turnovers per game and poor advanced stats in basically every area except rebounding. He also had better numbers when traded by Detroit.

Good on him for not being a malcontent, but he does not have positive value. Doesn't mean he's a bad player, but he's not even close to being worth that contract.

Henson wasn't unplayable and getting off of $30M in salary that you can use is in FA has real value. There's simply no rational explanation as to the idea that if a player is traded for expiring contracts and draft capital at the deadline, he's traded for negative value.

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[pacers33granger]

I mean this is just false. It's not arguable or a matter of opinion, it's false. The Cavs traded 30M in expiring contracts and added two second round picks. That's not negative value. He's putting up 18 and 15 this year.

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I recall it being one 2nd and can't find anything saying it was two 2nds. But you cannot seriously think that the expirings of Henson and Knight (both who are not in the league anymore and were unplayable last year) and two 2nds should be considered positive value.

And he's putting up those numbers on 46% shooting with 4 turnovers per game and poor advanced stats in basically every area except rebounding. He also had better numbers when traded by Detroit.

Good on him for not being a malcontent, but he does not have positive value. Doesn't mean he's a bad player, but he's not even close to being worth that contract.

Henson wasn't unplayable and getting off of $30M in salary that you can use is in FA has real value. There's simply no rational explanation as to the idea that if a player is traded for expiring contracts and draft capital at the deadline, he's traded for negative value.

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You can try and spin it anyway you want, but the fact is that Drummond isn't worth his contract and will be unlikely to get half of what he's paid in free agency. He's negative value. And adding a single 2nd four years down the line doesn't turn the $25 mil that was paid to Knight/Henson into positive or even neutral value. The fact that Cleveland stupidly took on the 2nd year also doesn't turn that package into positive value.

He was, at best, a salary dump for two guys who played a grand total of 409 minutes for Detroit and did so poorly. Cleveland is much more likely to be buying him out at the deadline than getting any sort of asset back.

[KuruptedCav]

I would imagine you can get things like:

Drummond, SRP, and $4 million (prorated) to Bobcats for Zeller, Monk and Bridges. Charlotte test drives Drummond, Cavs take a flier on Bridges who hasn't lived up to his potential.

Drummond to the Kings for Barnes and Parker to clear the deck for the Kings and give the Cavs an answer at SF.

Drummond Mavericks for Johnson, Powell, and an asset...

Any upside deals are because you are trading future cash or an asset.