Dipo to Heat

[ThatBoyNick]

Yeah, I would not trade Achiuwa either. I'm really not a fan of trading anyone from the front court, but I would definitely give up Okpala and a 2025 first to get the deal done for Oladipo (along with Nunn and expiring contracts.) The Heat and Rockets could also wait for the trade deadline for more flexibility. There is no particular hurry, but I'd rather have Dipo's bird rights so the Heat can go over cap.

I want to point out the obvious that BBallFreak likely represents the take of the Heat fans and FO more than I do, but even I see that Achiuwa fills a need for the team at a bargain cost. When Bam went down in the finals, the Heat did not have strength up front. Achiuwa is not untradeable by any means, but he does represent a value piece for the Heat at least, one I would not easily give up and not for Victor Oladipo (and yes, I am a fan... I like his perimeter defense. Smart player. Good fit. Etc).

To reiterate:

Houston trades Oladipo to Miami

for

Iggy, Nunn (OR Okpala), and 2025 FRP (maybe top 10 protected? I don't care much though.)

Miami trades a SRP(*) to OKC to take protections from 2023 FRP:
*2022 second round draft pick from Philadelphia or Denver (less favorable)


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Deal, right?

Deal from me

[Topofthekey]

I don't even really want to sign him. That's what you're not getting. This guy isn't a floor spacer. One of the things that has worked so well for us is our spacing around Butler and Bam. It's why Crowder, Leonard, and Olynyk have started at power forward and Robinson started on the perimeter. Now you give me a guy who is about average as a three point shooter and we essentially have to restructure the entire offense. No thank you!

He’s a career 35% shooter from 3, and 36% on massive volume this year. He definitely wouldn’t be a weakness in your offensive system and you wouldn’t have to restructure around him. He played a lot of off ball this year and accepted it and played well. You might not like him personally, but he’s not the player you might think he is.

As I said in the other thread, he would be replacing one of the best shooters on the planet. Fine isn't good enough...

Saying Oladipo isn't good enough to replace Robinson because he doesn't shoot as well is like saying Steph Curry isn't good enough to replace Patrick Beverly because he doesn't defend as well

[K_chile22]

Yeah, I would not trade Achiuwa either. I'm really not a fan of trading anyone from the front court, but I would definitely give up Okpala and a 2025 first to get the deal done for Oladipo (along with Nunn and expiring contracts.) The Heat and Rockets could also wait for the trade deadline for more flexibility. There is no particular hurry, but I'd rather have Dipo's bird rights so the Heat can go over cap.

I want to point out the obvious that BBallFreak likely represents the take of the Heat fans and FO more than I do, but even I see that Achiuwa fills a need for the team at a bargain cost. When Bam went down in the finals, the Heat did not have strength up front. Achiuwa is not untradeable by any means, but he does represent a value piece for the Heat at least, one I would not easily give up and not for Victor Oladipo (and yes, I am a fan... I like his perimeter defense. Smart player. Good fit. Etc).

To reiterate:

Houston trades Oladipo to Miami

for

Iggy, Nunn (OR Okpala), and 2025 FRP (maybe top 10 protected? I don't care much though.)

Miami trades a SRP(*) to OKC to take protections from 2023 FRP:
*2022 second round draft pick from Philadelphia or Denver (less favorable)


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Deal, right?

If Houston would rather not have Nunn or Okpala, they are not necessary for the trade. Iggy + FRP for Oladipo also works. Miami could do this deal with an unprotected pick to make it more valuable.

The hold up for me would be what happens if the pick doesn't convey. I'm fine with top 10 for the first two years but since they can't trade anything past 2027 and the rockets need a FRP here it would have to become unprotected in 2027 if it hadn't already conveyed

[basketballwacko2]

Rockets would not take on Iguodala's extra year.
It would have to be an expiring contract or send Iggy to a third team (Boston's TPE?).
Maybe Olynyk, young player, 1st.

Iggy's final year is a team option.

[basketballwacko2]

Getting him early also allows us to operate as an over-the-cap team, so we can resign our FAs (that we want to) and use the MLE and BAE

People are running with the just sign him in FA angle so don't give up any value for him now. But getting him for this year's playoffs, seeing how he meshes with your team before giving him a ton of money, and being able to operate over the cap and keeping the MLE option and maybe bringing some of your guys back is worth a decent asset which the OP doesn't have here.

I think either a real future 1st or Achiuwa have to be on the table with Houston working Tucker into the deal as well.

I disagree. I'm not willing to include Achiuwa, personally. Maybe the Heat are but I'm not that high on Dipo.

I can understand that. What about Robinson? Iggy, Robinson (or Nunn and a 2025 #1) for Victor.

[basketballwacko2]

I think something along the lines of Leonard, Iggy, Nunn, Okpala and future 1st for Dipo and Tucker could be something that works for both teams at the March trade deadline.

Houston gets two young guys in Nunn and Okpala along with future 1st and expiring contracts

Miami gets Dipo to help with the offensive and defensive load on Butler and Bam. They also get Tucker to fit in the front court with Bam.


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I do like this for both teams. Houston could send Iggy to a playoff team for a 2nd or 2 depending on who and what their situation is.

[psman2]

People are running with the just sign him in FA angle so don't give up any value for him now. But getting him for this year's playoffs, seeing how he meshes with your team before giving him a ton of money, and being able to operate over the cap and keeping the MLE option and maybe bringing some of your guys back is worth a decent asset which the OP doesn't have here.

I think either a real future 1st or Achiuwa have to be on the table with Houston working Tucker into the deal as well.

I disagree. I'm not willing to include Achiuwa, personally. Maybe the Heat are but I'm not that high on Dipo.

I can understand that. What about Robinson? Iggy, Robinson (or Nunn and a 2025 #1) for Victor.

If Houston is truly tearing down for a full rebuild then I am not sure getting Robinson who is turning 27 this season and signing him to a market rate deal in FA is something you want to kick off your rebuild doing. This needs a 3rd team for Robinson.

[BBallFreak]

People are running with the just sign him in FA angle so don't give up any value for him now. But getting him for this year's playoffs, seeing how he meshes with your team before giving him a ton of money, and being able to operate over the cap and keeping the MLE option and maybe bringing some of your guys back is worth a decent asset which the OP doesn't have here.

I think either a real future 1st or Achiuwa have to be on the table with Houston working Tucker into the deal as well.

I disagree. I'm not willing to include Achiuwa, personally. Maybe the Heat are but I'm not that high on Dipo.

I can understand that. What about Robinson? Iggy, Robinson (or Nunn and a 2025 #1) for Victor.

I'd do Nunn and the 25 #1

[basketballwacko2]

I disagree. I'm not willing to include Achiuwa, personally. Maybe the Heat are but I'm not that high on Dipo.

I can understand that. What about Robinson? Iggy, Robinson (or Nunn and a 2025 #1) for Victor.

If Houston is truly tearing down for a full rebuild then I am not sure getting Robinson who is turning 27 this season and signing him to a market rate deal in FA is something you want to kick off your rebuild doing. This needs a 3rd team for Robinson.

Yeah probably right BBallFreak say he'd prefer the #1 in 2025 and they keep robinson.

If it was an expanded deal sending Vic and Tucker to Miami for Iggy, Leonard and Nunn plus the #1 in 2025, Leonard could be flipped to Brooklyn for Dinwiddie and future draft considerations like a 2nd and Iggy sent to another contender for a pick. Boston comes to mind with their TPE, Iggy's playoff experience would help them. Not sure the Heat would like their competitors getting help though.

[gom]

The hold up for me would be what happens if the pick doesn't convey. I'm fine with top 10 for the first two years but since they can't trade anything past 2027 and the rockets need a FRP here it would have to become unprotected in 2027 if it hadn't already conveyed

That's fine. Miami can just make it unprotected in 2025. No need to make it more complicated:

Houston trades Oladipo to Miami

for

Iggy, Nunn (OR Okpala), and 2025 FRP unprotected

Miami trades a SRP(*) to OKC to take protections from 2023 FRP:
*2022 second round draft pick from Philadelphia or Denver (less favorable)

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[puppa bear]

The hold up for me would be what happens if the pick doesn't convey. I'm fine with top 10 for the first two years but since they can't trade anything past 2027 and the rockets need a FRP here it would have to become unprotected in 2027 if it hadn't already conveyed

That's fine. Miami can just make it unprotected in 2025. No need to make it more complicated:

Houston trades Oladipo to Miami

for

Iggy, Nunn (OR Okpala), and 2025 FRP unprotected

Miami trades a SRP(*) to OKC to take protections from 2023 FRP:
*2022 second round draft pick from Philadelphia or Denver (less favorable)

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This is good for Heat and OKC gets a more movable/valuable piece from it (for an extra 2nd). Rockets move a player that won’t stay long term for one that is a RFA, an expiring that can be rerouted and a pick.

Win-win-win!

Get it done!


Oh, and please stop with trying to include PJ - some fan want him, but they should target another contender more willing to give draft assets.

[vxmike]

Oh, and please stop with trying to include PJ - some fan want him, but they should target another contender more willing to give draft assets.

Agree. It’s debatable Miami has enough assets to get Dipo let alone Tucker who is worth something on his own.

Houston should look to dump Gordon with Dipo and save real money. Something like Dipo+Gordon for Iggy+Olynyk+Nunn+Okpala+filler+2025 FRP.

This saves Houston huge money.

Miami could probably flip Gordon to a team needing shooting but has an unwanted big also on a bad contract.

[puppa bear]

Oh, and please stop with trying to include PJ - some fan want him, but they should target another contender more willing to give draft assets.

Agree. It’s debatable Miami has enough assets to get Dipo let alone Tucker who is worth something on his own.

Houston should look to dump Gordon with Dipo and save real money. Something like Dipo+Gordon for Iggy+Olynyk+Nunn+Okpala+filler+2025 FRP.

This saves Houston huge money.

Miami could probably flip Gordon to a team needing shooting but has an unwanted big also on a bad contract.

Not a fan of adding to the base trade, and having Houston try to leach more value.

If Houston want to clear more space we do have the $7.5m TPE that can be used to absorb more salary. But we will only have about $4.5m under the tax line after dealing Iggy/Nunn for Dipo.

[Clav]

Read this

The Rockets may not be done trading, either. The Athletic’s Kelly Iko reported that multiple teams have inquired about lockdown defender P.J. Tucker. Two league sources tell me Tucker’s value around the league is the range of three second-round picks. The Rockets may hold out for a team to offer a first ahead of the March 25 trade deadline, but Tucker is 35 and will be an unrestricted free agent this offseason, which hurts his value. Houston could also still flip Oladipo, who wanted out of Indiana but landed in another place he doesn’t want to be. League sources say Oladipo still hopes to find himself in Miami.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/1/13/22230340/james-harden-trade-john-wall-houston-rockets

So I figured I'd make a trade idea


Oladipo

for

Iggy, Nunn, 2022 (top 12 protected) 1st swap option (worst of any of Houstons picks - including Nets/Bucks)


For Houston - Get the potential to trade up next year's draft, kick the tires on Nunn, saves about 4 mill in cap, facilitates a tank

For Miami - Clear talent upgrade for a small asset.

Tucker could be added into this if Miami want's to send the 2025 1st instead of the swap option, but then they would have to unprotect their pick to OKC which makes the trade a bit too dicey for them IMO. I'd also take Achiuwa of course instead of any picks, but doubtful they'd want to add him either.

I can fully get behind this line of thinking, both teams get impact players and Heat honestly don't sacrifice much considering that -- Though just playing DA for a bit -- HOU will want not just Nunn, what about D. Robinson in my initial thoughts, but another MIA pick later ? (Victor IMO is worth 2 FRPs). What do you think ?


edit - impact players for what each team wants -- MIA playoffs and more, HOU vet leadership and not complete losing of face

[RexBoyWonder]

1) I think it's important to remember the Heat are trading for a player they know they can sign in next free agency and is on recored wanting to go to Miami for years now. That's the base thought here.

2) Because of point above, No way Heat would give up multiple assets.

Heat should offer Iggy + Nunn + 2025 top 14 protected first. They should NOT include KZ, Rockets can get KZ if they prefer hin over the 2025 pick.

If Rockets don't approve, that's fine. Good luck trying to find a team that is willing to pay more for a 4 months rental for Oladipo. Heat will wait for free agency, if he stays healthy they'll get him then.

[puppa bear]

1) I think it's important to remember the Heat are trading for a player they know they can sign in next free agency and is on recored wanting to go to Miami for years now. That's the base thought here.

2) Because of point above, No way Heat would give up multiple assets.

Heat should offer Iggy + Nunn + 2025 top 14 protected first. They should NOT include KZ, Rockets can get KZ if they prefer hin over the 2025 pick.

If Rockets don't approve, that's fine. Good luck trying to find a team that is willing to pay more for a 4 months rental for Oladipo. Heat will wait for free agency, if he stays healthy they'll get him then.

I can see the Heat giving an unprotected pick.