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N Ireland Nets wrote:Thoughts on 3 kings as a nickname? Works with Brooklyn, Kings county, Irving always referring to each other as Kings... 3 deadly shooters... just having some fun.
Well, certainly don't blame him for paying Simmons $38 mill/yr for the next 5 years, when he already has Wall on the books.MrDollarBills wrote:DarkXaero wrote:I'm tired of hearing this crap that Philly had the much better deal. Evidently, they didn't. Been saying it for a while, Ben Simmons is not the ultimate piece he has been hyped up to be by fans and media. The guy simply hasn't improved offensively since coming into the league, and he's now at the start of a 5 year max contract. You can't really build around him because he's not good enough to be built around, and he's hard to accommodate because of his limitations.
This season, he's off to another underwhelming start, somehow looking worse than ever on offense. He's an incredible defender, no doubt about that, but that's really where it starts and ends. Do you want to pay an elite defender who is an offensive liability, $38 mill/yr for the next 5 years? Rockets clearly weren't enamored with that idea and I don't blame them.
I don't think the Rockets owner wanted to pay anyone tbh.
GTR11 wrote:Fat Kat wrote:
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DarkXaero wrote:Well, certainly don't blame him for paying Simmons $38 mill/yr for the next 5 years, when he already has Wall on the books.MrDollarBills wrote:DarkXaero wrote:I'm tired of hearing this crap that Philly had the much better deal. Evidently, they didn't. Been saying it for a while, Ben Simmons is not the ultimate piece he has been hyped up to be by fans and media. The guy simply hasn't improved offensively since coming into the league, and he's now at the start of a 5 year max contract. You can't really build around him because he's not good enough to be built around, and he's hard to accommodate because of his limitations.
This season, he's off to another underwhelming start, somehow looking worse than ever on offense. He's an incredible defender, no doubt about that, but that's really where it starts and ends. Do you want to pay an elite defender who is an offensive liability, $38 mill/yr for the next 5 years? Rockets clearly weren't enamored with that idea and I don't blame them.
I don't think the Rockets owner wanted to pay anyone tbh.
They should have taken Allen instead of a 1st, but it's clear that they didn't wanna pay Allen big money in free agency. And they didn't take Caris because my belief is they simply never rated him. They likely wanna see if they can get Oladipo back to star form again, and make a decision from there.MrDollarBills wrote:DarkXaero wrote:Well, certainly don't blame him for paying Simmons $38 mill/yr for the next 5 years, when he already has Wall on the books.MrDollarBills wrote:
I don't think the Rockets owner wanted to pay anyone tbh.
Yeah but from what I saw he didn't wanna pay Caris either, but what you said is true. There is no sense for them to get Simmons when you're stuck with Wall.
Either way, aside from getting our picks they got kind of **** ed in this deal
therealbig3 wrote:Gotta give up something to get something...can’t expect to get a player like Harden and NOT give up a bunch of picks and young talent.
And honestly, we’ve all gone back and forth on Levert...he’s not exactly “young”, and he’s never actually proven that he’s a legit All-Star over the course of an entire season. The main young building block we had to give up was Jarrett Allen and all the picks.
But as people said, really doubt all 7 picks convey to the Rockets, and it’s not like we don’t have picks. What made the Boston trade suck was that we got really bad and they got really good like overnight, so all of those pick swaps conveyed, in addition to giving up high lotto picks. I’m not seeing that happen in this case.
So ultimately, an inconsistent kind of one dimensional wing in his prime, a young defensive center, and a handful of picks for an MVP in his prime isn’t unreasonable. In fact, you’re nuts if you actually turned that down. Got to give up value to get a player of that caliber, and we’re really not giving up crazy value that is unheard of. Clippers gave up a comparable package for Paul George, and he’s not the same caliber player as Harden.
StepBackCrack wrote:People think that Nets are stupid with this trade make me laugh so hard lmao. You telling me James freakin Harden isn't worth Allen (don't get me wrong, he is the main piece here to me), Levert + Prince and future picks that are not likely to turn out to something even close to prime Harden's value? These people are insane to me. You make this trade every single time. I can't stress this enough. This was the 100% right move for the Nets. No question about it imo.
therealbig3 wrote:This is very different than the Celtics trade imo. It was obvious at the time of that trade that KG and Pierce weren't in their primes anymore and were glorified role players at that point. It WAS an overpay. Everyone knew it. But we were already all-in after trading a lotto pick for Gerald Wallace and bringing in Joe Johnson...and then also giving a big contract to Gerald Wallace after it was clear he was a shell of himself...we were a win-now team that wasn't close to contending and were deep into the luxury tax...we had to do something to be a legit contender, and Pierce and KG while old, were still very good players as of their last season with the Celtics, and they offered the best chance to go from a pretender to a contender, given they were still capable of being very good players for us...turned out that Pierce was still productive, but KG wasn't. And Deron turned into a role player overnight, instead of the star he was to end the previous season, which is what had given us hope that we could still contend in the first place and is partially what prompted us to do the deal.
But again, we all knew that Pierce and KG were old and it was very possible that they would quickly be washed up, and that all the picks we gave up could end up being a disaster. Our downfall came a lot quicker than expected though, because none of us really expected Deron to fall off the way he did, so we ended up just being a straight up bad team after we were forced to waive him and Joe because they were just albatross contracts that gave us very little on the court.
But Kyrie/Durant/Harden are all in the middle of their primes. They can all be at this level for another 3+ years. And even after their time is done, we're a free agent destination now that can attract the next big free agent. Nobody wanted to play for us after the disastrous end to the Deron Williams era.
Harden, who was scheduled to arrive in New York on Thursday, will be eligible to play once he and all the other players involved in the multiteam deal have undergone a physical examination. Once Harden is cleared, the focus turns to how the Nets' new Big Three will jell on the court and how their supersized personalities will mesh off of it. Marks said that he didn't have to broach the subject of touches and making it work on the floor with Harden, Durant and Irving -- instead, they brought it up to him.
"At the end of the day, that's what we need to hear," Marks said. "And that's the level of sacrifice and these guys know it. And each one of these guys is capable of, you know, leading a team, being the star player on a team and so forth. And, you know, there will be nights when each one has that opportunity. Maybe two or three have that opportunity on any night."
Paradise wrote:Harden expected to debut as a Net on Saturday vs Orlando
This means KD/Harden/Kyrie are on pace to debut as a trio against...Milwaukee on Monday.
MrDollarBills wrote:Paradise wrote:Harden expected to debut as a Net on Saturday vs Orlando
This means KD/Harden/Kyrie are on pace to debut as a trio against...Milwaukee on Monday.
How does Kyrie play on Saturday? We have no details on him even going through NBA protocols.
Paradise wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:Paradise wrote:Harden expected to debut as a Net on Saturday vs Orlando
This means KD/Harden/Kyrie are on pace to debut as a trio against...Milwaukee on Monday.
How does Kyrie play on Saturday? We have no details on him even going through NBA protocols.
Monday.
He’s been confirmed by Marks to be tested daily. His quarantine won’t be remotely as long.
Paradise wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:Paradise wrote:Harden expected to debut as a Net on Saturday vs Orlando
This means KD/Harden/Kyrie are on pace to debut as a trio against...Milwaukee on Monday.
How does Kyrie play on Saturday? We have no details on him even going through NBA protocols.
Monday.
He’s been confirmed by Marks to be tested daily. His quarantine won’t be remotely as long.