Around the League: 2020 Offseason

[76ciology]

Chris Boucher of the Raps. Names sounds like Chris Bosh. What do you guys see on him?

Ibaka?

[Stanford]

Imagine drafting Booker or CJ instead of Okafor.

I think the problem there is that we drafted for talent and took a less talented player.

More accurate to say that we drafted for value.

[Monix]

most accurate to say that we drafted terribly

[76ciology]

Btw, Wiseman is good. I think he’ll be much better than Lamelo.

[Kobblehead]

Would you want Ayton over Sexton or Alexander?

[Sixerscan]

No one is talking about how the pacers may have jumped a level with caris levert.

Is he better than Oladipo?

I think so. It's close either way. The thing Dipo has over Caris is defense, but Caris is no defensive slouch. Caris is the better passer and far better creator, at the moment. The biggest drop-off for Dipo, post-injury, is how he looks with the ball in his hands. Just doesn't look like a guy that can get his own buckets consistently. Levert is lethal off the dribble.

Indy is scary right now.

Brogdon is a stealth MVP candidate.

Brogdon is playing very well but if gets through an entire season playing like this and logging anywhere close to 37 mpg without getting injured I'll be pretty shocked. It happens every year even when he has had a much smaller role.

[youngcrev]

By all accounts I've read/heard from people that watch the Pacers on the regulard, Oladipo has looked outstanding this year and close to his form from a couple years ago.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Chris Boucher of the Raps. Names sounds like Chris Bosh. What do you guys see on him?

Ibaka?

He's another one of those up and coming hyrbid bigs that I like (Say hybrid big three times really fast). Him, Christian Wood, Marvin Bagley if he ever gets out of Sacramento. I really wish we had a player like that on this roster to pair with Embiid. Athletic enough to play either the 4 or 5 position and Boucher seems agile enough to defend small forwards if he needs to. I don't know what's not to like about him, and Christian Wood! My God did we miss on him. Damn we should have kept him. What a player he's turned into.

[Kobblehead]

By all accounts I've read/heard from people that watch the Pacers on the regulard, Oladipo has looked outstanding this year and close to his form from a couple years ago.

Sounds like they're blowing smoke.

Oladipo was an elite level shotcreator back then performing at an all-nba defensive level.

He's still good defensively, but nowhere near the elite level creator he was. He actually scoring his buckets like a flatout role player. Look at how heavily assisted he is right now. He needs all his offense fed to him. Definitely nowhere near what he was before the injury. Don't believe the hype.

[youngcrev]

By all accounts I've read/heard from people that watch the Pacers on the regulard, Oladipo has looked outstanding this year and close to his form from a couple years ago.

Sounds like they're blowing smoke.

Oladipo was an elite level shotcreator back then performing at an all-nba defensive level.

He's still good defensively, but nowhere near the elite level creator he was. He actually scoring his buckets like a flatout role player. Look at how heavily assisted he is right now. He needs all his offense fed to him. Definitely nowhere near what he was before the injury. Don't believe the hype.

Are you sure you're not conflating a change in role vs a change in ability? He was a higher usage player in his breakout year on a team mostly devoid of playmakers. Now he's gotta share the ball with Brogdon in the backcourt and playing with a decently high usage big in Sabonis.

[Kobblehead]

Are you sure you're not conflating a change in role vs a change in ability? He was a higher usage player in his breakout year on a team mostly devoid of playmakers. Now he's gotta share the ball with Brogdon in the backcourt and playing with a decently high usage big in Sabonis.

I'm positive. Watch video of him. He has no ability to attack defenses off the dribble. Nowhere the attacker he was.

Also, stars don't get their roles reduced unless there is a change in their abilities to deliver in that role. Oladipo's inability to score off the dribble and attack defenders is why he's heavily assisted and being fed all his buckets.

Also, there's less on-ball creators on Indy's current roster than there was during Dipo's breakout. Right now they have Brogdon and McConnell and that's it.

Back then, they had Stephenson, Joseph, and Collison to go along with Oladipo.

[youngcrev]

Are you sure you're not conflating a change in role vs a change in ability? He was a higher usage player in his breakout year on a team mostly devoid of playmakers. Now he's gotta share the ball with Brogdon in the backcourt and playing with a decently high usage big in Sabonis.

I'm positive. Watch video of him. He has no ability to attack defenses off the dribble. Nowhere the attacker he was.

Also, stars don't get their roles reduced unless there is a change in their abilities to deliver in that role. Oladipo's inability to score off the dribble and attack defenders is why he's heavily assisted and being fed all his buckets.

Also, there's less on-ball creators on Indy's current roster than there was during Dipo's breakout. Right now they have Brogdon and McConnell and that's it.

Back then, they had Stephenson, Joseph, and Collison to go along with Oladipo.

Lance was cooked at that stage, Joseph/Collision are low usage PGs (Joseph in particular). Those guys certainly didn't have the playmaking prowess of Brogdon/TJ/Holiday. Sabonis is also a major focal point for that team, which wasn't a previous dynamic with Turner/Young starting.

[Kobblehead]

Are you sure you're not conflating a change in role vs a change in ability? He was a higher usage player in his breakout year on a team mostly devoid of playmakers. Now he's gotta share the ball with Brogdon in the backcourt and playing with a decently high usage big in Sabonis.

I'm positive. Watch video of him. He has no ability to attack defenses off the dribble. Nowhere the attacker he was.

Also, stars don't get their roles reduced unless there is a change in their abilities to deliver in that role. Oladipo's inability to score off the dribble and attack defenders is why he's heavily assisted and being fed all his buckets.

Also, there's less on-ball creators on Indy's current roster than there was during Dipo's breakout. Right now they have Brogdon and McConnell and that's it.

Back then, they had Stephenson, Joseph, and Collison to go along with Oladipo.

Lance was cooked at that stage, Joseph/Collision are low usage PGs (Joseph in particular). Those guys certainly didn't have the playmaking prowess of Brogdon/TJ/Holiday. Sabonis is also a major focal point for that team, which wasn't a previous dynamic with Turner/Young starting.

That's not the point. All of those players were used in a shotcreation roles. That's four guys scoring buckets off the dribble at the same time.

There's two guys scoring on the ball for the Pacers right now. Brogdon and McConnell. And McConnell has no volume on his scoring. So it's basically just Brodgon.

This current iteration of the Pacers has one guy scoring on the ball with any volume (Brogdon). If Oladipo was capable of still doing that, it would be a drink in a dessert for them.

That's why they went and got LeVert. They need dynamic onball scorers. Something Oladipo has not been able to provide since coming back.

If you want to bank on him regaining form, be my guest. Extremely risky undertaking, though. Because he absolutely is showing no signs that he is anything near the player he was, regardless of his fake scoring output aided by assisted buckets.

[Negrodamus]

I wonder if the Pelicans are going to look to trade Lonzo Ball with how well NAW has been playing.

[76ciology]

Jrue Holiday was a bad gamble by the bucks.

Offensively, he’s in the same tier as guys like Tobi. What makes him good is his 2 way ability. His defense? Who cares. Doncic still goes at him down the stretch. Doncic got 28pts on 24 shots:

They emptied their clip. They don’t have much assets to make a jump. Then you look at the Nets F’n up the competition and making them obsolete.

The right move for the Bucks was trading Middleton and all that picks for someone like Harden, Beal or Lavine. Then trade Bledsoe and Hill for fit and glue guys to make it work.

[76ciology]

Hot take:
After what the Nets did and how we’re playing, Giannis will ask to be traded,but not earlier than after this season.

We’ll be in the mix.

[76ciology]

Hot take 2:
After what the Nets did, teams will follow what the Clippers, Bucks, Lakers and Nets did. They will trade multiple picksss to keep up with the competition.

While rebuilding teams would value this picks given the nature of how the lottery odds are structured and the talent in the future drafts.

Heat, Celts, Sixers, Mavs and Nuggets should be hunting now.

[Negrodamus]

It's really amazing how bad the Thunder are at being bad. They are also ridiculous at drafting. 6-6 with SGA running the show with a bunch of young dudes.

[Wilfried]

Hot take 3: No team will make drastic or panic moves, because everyone is just waiting for the Nets to implode

[Kobblehead]

Hot take:
After what the Nets did and how we’re playing, Giannis will ask to be traded,but not earlier than after this season.

We’ll be in the mix.

Why set your franchise back a decade in regards to draft capitol for a guy that has to get parked in the dunker's spot in the playoffs?

The only way I'd ruin my team's future for a pseudo-creator known more for his all-around play like Giannis is if I already had a star scorer on the ball.

Teams like Atlanta with Trae, Dallas with Luka, Cleveland with Collin, OKC with Shai, Sacramento with Fox, Utah with Mitchell, etc.