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Re: So what's the pivot? (Beal, Lavine, or smaller moves)? - Post Harden ideas and Rumors 

Post#161 » by sixers hoops » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:09 pm

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We had the best 5 man unit in the league at that point. I'm not sure how they could impress you if that doesn't do it.

There was very much evidence that we could be a great team. It was far from guaranteed but that early performance was about as great of an indicator as you could reasonably expect to have.

Everyone brings up that the schedule was weak but it's been quite a long time since we've dominated anyone like that for an extended stretch. Even some of the games that were close (first Wizards game, Raptors) were only close because we shot way under expectation from 3 and the other team shot well.


Best five man unit against teams we won’t see in the playoffs. I’m not impressed when we beat up on bad teams. Instead of “indicators” that we can be great, I will wait to see how we actually do against good teams. I don’t believe this “evidence” that we can be a great team. We are still eliminated in the second round in my estimation, and those early season games didn’t change that at all for me.



100% agree on the Indicators. Context plays a huge part of it too.

We always play at home historically good and historically bad away even with a good team lol

And yes I too have us at 2nd round max, might sneak into the ECF if we’re extremely lucky and Embiid goes berserk but it’s too many “perfect things falling together, and it’ll be more so other teams imploding/injuries.

But at the end of the day

When your elite and best perimeter option is Harris or a Russian roulette of other scoring /creating/shooting players be it Curry, Milton or Maxey.

let’s face it that ain’t gonna cut it in the playoffs.

Best chance is Milton going forward if we go the organic route. But how high is his ceiling?

3-4 years that’s all we have, Championship windows don’t come around often.


Yeah. Kinda where I’m at. As TPP said, we should be much better than last year after getting more time to gel. Nevertheless, I think our ceiling with Embiid, Ben, Tobias is conference finals, but more likely second round. Nets and Bucks seem like major roadblocks, and Jo is our only great offensive player. Ben, Tobias, and Shake can do some nice things, but none are on the offensive level of the Lakers, Clippers, Bucks, and Nets top two or three players.

I think Morey plans to let our players improve, and increase the value of our assets, to get one more impact player on the roster.
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Post#162 » by Black Mage » Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:07 am

I really think the move to make is to find a replacement using Danny Green's contract to bring in that perimeter creator. Lowry just seems like a logical choice. Hield is slow and has bad handles from what I've seen.
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Post#163 » by zaz102 » Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:52 am

Man, what a weird year. Between the unexpected productivity of some players (Harris, Curry, Shake, Maxey) and the weird schedule/COVID impact, it's hard to get a handle on this team and the NBA.

Might still be another 20 games or so before the picture of the Sixers/NBA starts clearing up.
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Post#164 » by tsmith » Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:03 am

I'd prioritise a point guard who can maximise Embiid. Lowry fits that role pretty well.
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Post#165 » by Kobblehead » Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:16 am

tsmith wrote:I'd prioritise a point guard who can maximise Embiid. Lowry fits that role pretty well.

Lowry isn't a free agent, though.

He's a key piece for a division rival making $30m.

I don't know why people keep listing him as an option for us.

Why would we match $30m is salary and give up the draft capital required to pry a 35 year old from a division rival?
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Post#166 » by 76ciology » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:10 am

Would you trade Shake, Tobi and 2021 first(unprotected) for Beal?
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Post#167 » by 76ciology » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:26 am

76ciology wrote:So what are the likely offers out there for beal?




So the Pels. With everything except Zion and Ingram?

Something like..
Lonzo
Hayes
Bledsoe
A couple of picks

Lonzo = Milton
Hayes = Thybulle
Bledsoe = Tobias
A couple of picks? (I’d only give 1)

Tobi and Milton fits waay better than RW.
Value-wise it’s also almost equal.

I’d rather than “2021 MVP candidate :lol: ” Tobi over Eric Bledsoe.
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Post#168 » by TGW » Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:19 am

76ciology wrote:Would you trade Shake, Tobi and 2021 first(unprotected) for Beal?


The Wizards sure as hell wouldn't.
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Post#169 » by 76ciology » Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:28 am

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76ciology wrote:Would you trade Shake, Tobi and 2021 first(unprotected) for Beal?


The Wizards sure as hell wouldn't.


What are the better offers out there?
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Post#170 » by ZarcMumoff » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:02 am

76ciology wrote:Would you trade Shake, Tobi and 2021 first(unprotected) for Beal?


We aren't getting Beal without Simmons (or Maxey depending upon when Beal asks for a trade), but even that aside...add about 4 more draft picks for any Beal deal.

Look at what AD returned. Look at what PG returned. Look at what Harden returned. Look at what Jrue Holiday returned. Even if you have a Simmons in a deal, it's going to take multiple future draft picks.
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Post#171 » by Wilfried » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:33 am

76ciology wrote:
76ciology wrote:So what are the likely offers out there for beal?




Lonzo = Milton
Hayes = Thybulle
Bledsoe = Tobias
A couple of picks? (I’d only give 1)

I’d rather than “2021 MVP candidate :lol: ” Tobi over Eric Bledsoe.


Lonzo is a way more expensive version of Shake for at least 2 more seasons

Tobias is better than Bledsoe and plays a position that fits them better.
Think Thybulle is valued higher than Hayes too in this league

So ... pretty sure I would take the Sixers' offer
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Post#172 » by Wilfried » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:34 am

76ciology wrote:Would you trade Shake, Tobi and 2021 first(unprotected) for Beal?


That would be my max offer, because I really don't know if Beal would take us to championship level.
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Post#173 » by 76ciology » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:08 am

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76ciology wrote:Would you trade Shake, Tobi and 2021 first(unprotected) for Beal?


We aren't getting Beal without Simmons (or Maxey depending upon when Beal asks for a trade), but even that aside...add about 4 more draft picks for any Beal deal.

Look at what AD returned. Look at what PG returned. Look at what Harden returned. Look at what Jrue Holiday returned. Even if you have a Simmons in a deal, it's going to take multiple future draft picks.


Beal is nowhere as good as AD, Harden or PG. Wizards would be much better with PG. Much much better with AD or Harden.

Beal is just like CJ McCollum on steroids. He’s a winning player if he’s paired with either or both Biid and Ben.

If the asking price on CJ is high, then I’d go for Lavine. Lavine should be much cheaper.
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Post#174 » by 76ciology » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:22 am

If Beal asks to be traded, there’s really not a great offer right there. Because Beal is not THAT good.

You wont see the names of Siakam, Jaylen Brown or Ben.

It’s more like Tobias, Bledsoe and LeVert.

And the only reason why I’m interested on Beal is because I know he can be a great COMPLIMENT to Ben, Biid and to the rest of the team.
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Post#175 » by Lou_23 » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:57 am

Im not sure that the Wizards would want Simmons if they trade Beal, they arent going anywhere.

Expirings, youngs players with rookie contracts and picks, this is what a team wants if they trade his star. Rebuild.

Obviuously they would try trade Westbrook in other trade.
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Post#176 » by sixers4real » Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:11 am

How I see this team going forward:
Embiid - best player. TOP 3 NBA big man in the league.
Simmons - 3rd best player. TOP 3 NBA defender, great passer, elite athletic ability. Do it all guy.
Curry - elite shooter, TOP 3in the NBA. (Great contract)
Milton - 6th man, scorer of the bench (at least for now). Super great contract.
Maxey - very good (can he be great?) point guard. Rookie contract.
Thybulle - defender off the bench.

I’m not quite sure what I think of Tobias Harris. I know I can’t rely on him being 2nd best player on offense in playoff series.

So unless Morey finds a way to trade Harris + picks + swaps for some star like Beal or Booker (nearly impossible at that moment, but doable in future), we are not a championship team.

Or maybe Milton or Maxey somehow develop so fast in being 2nd best player and being elite on offense.

But right now, since Harden is gone, there is no player on market I’m willing to give Simmons+++ for.

In Morey I trust.
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Post#177 » by sixers4real » Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:42 pm

76ciology wrote:If Beal asks to be traded, there’s really not a great offer right there. Because Beal is not THAT good.

You wont see the names of Siakam, Jaylen Brown or Ben.

It’s more like Tobias, Bledsoe and LeVert.

And the only reason why I’m interested on Beal is because I know he can be a great COMPLIMENT to Ben, Biid and to the rest of the team.

I would trade Harris + Thybulle + 2021 unprotected + 2023 top 5 protected + 2 swaps for Beal.
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Post#178 » by ankle420breaker » Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:04 pm

I'd be just fine with including Maxey, Shake, Thybulle, and picks for Beal if it means not having to trade Ben.

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Post#179 » by sixers4real » Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:14 pm

ankle420breaker wrote:I'd be just fine with including Maxey, Shake, Thybulle, and picks for Beal if it means not having to trade Ben.

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So you’re trading Harris, Maxey, Milton, Thybulle, picks for Bradley Beal?
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Post#180 » by GutUNC » Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:24 pm

Lou_23 wrote:Im not sure that the Wizards would want Simmons if they trade Beal, they arent going anywhere.

Expirings, youngs players with rookie contracts and picks, this is what a team wants if they trade his star. Rebuild.

Obviuously they would try trade Westbrook in other trade.


You're not sure why a rebuilding team would want a 24-year old All Star locked in on a long term contract?
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